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Reality Quest Discussion Thread

DeltaStriker22 said:
Crossbows are subsonic according to the wiki.

Dowan caught 6 arrows, one with his mouth five with his hands.
To catch all the arrows Dowan would need to react to all of them in the same time frame it would take for one arrow to hit him.
Something he can only do if he's several times faster than the speed on the arrow.

I think someone should calc this, could be a good speed feat.
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Found a couple of references:

Thogh I'd personally go for for the common feat, its more universally accepted throughout the wiki
 
Question: Does this mean that all further Great Body perception feats can use both Superhuman and Subsonic ends to check for speed feats? Or would that be "Calc Stacking"? Still not entirely sure on how that works since there was another talk for other verses on this wiki

Edit: Found this thread that did go about this matter. In theory, it would be applicable since Great Body Dowan can react to multiple crossbows shot at him from close vicinity, but I'd rather have one of the calc guys confirm this concept of mine, not gonna lie (and this thing would only apply to people with a great body being blitzed, not other characters anyway)
 
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DeltaStriker22 said:
Crossbows are subsonic according to the wiki.

Dowan caught 6 arrows, one with his mouth five with his hands.
To catch all the arrows Dowan would need to react to all of them in the same time frame it would take for one arrow to hit him.
Something he can only do if he's several times faster than the speed on the arrow.

I think someone should calc this, could be a good speed feat.
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There is no evidence that Dowan started moving after the arrows were shot.
 
Viott said:
There is no evidence that Dowan started moving after the arrows were shot.
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But they all fired simultaneously (or extremely close for the successive series of shots to just be wrapped in 1 panel), wouldn't that imply they were shot and he reacted subsequently?
 
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Mercury009 said:
But they all fired simultaneously (or extremely close for the successive series of shots to just be wrapped in 1 panel), wouldn't that imply they were shot and he reacted subsequently?
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No. This doesn't change anything. He might have moved his arms beforehand.
 
Viott said:
No. This doesn't change anything. He might have moved his arms beforehand.
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If you look here (Props to catlover for the images) you can see how it fires, head is in a certain position and in the next panel it moves back, which should indicate that the movement happened after said firing for at least one bolt. I find it hard to believe it happened with one but not the other 5? Especially considering catching it with your mouth instead of your hands is much more challenging
 
Mercury009 said:
If you look here (Props to catlover for the images) you can see how it fires, head is in a certain position and in the next panel it moves back, which should indicate that the movement happened after said firing for at least one bolt. I find it hard to believe it happened with one but not the other 5? Especially considering catching it with your mouth instead of your hands is much more challenging
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When the men fired the arrows, Dowan’s forearm was already raised. And since his face isn’t visible, he could have opened his mouth beforehand. Sorry, but that’s not sufficient evidence.
 
Sorry, how does him opening his mouth invalidate the feat? He'd still need to be quick enough to close it before being shot right?
 
Mercury009 said:
Sorry, how does him opening his mouth invalidate the feat? He'd still need to be quick enough to close it before being shot right?
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He doesn’t need to have his mouth closed. He might have slightly opened his teeth beforehand and then caught the arrow.
 
Viott said:
He doesn’t need to have his mouth closed. He might have slightly opened his teeth beforehand and then caught the arrow.
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I think I understand what you mean. Still, the fact he is fast enough to effortlessly react to crossbow bolts should warrant (via CRT and everything) to upscale the reaction time from Peak human to Superhuman or Subsonic (maybe? Idk) for all Great Body users.

Maybe this would make the feat of Synched Dowan vs Dea-Bujin have a better result too
 
Mercury009 said:
I think I understand what you mean. Still, the fact he is fast enough to effortlessly react to crossbow bolts should warrant (via CRT and everything) to upscale the reaction time from Peak human to Superhuman or Subsonic (maybe? Idk) for all Great Body users.

Maybe this would make the feat of Synched Dowan vs Dea-Bujin have a better result too
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I don't think this feat can be used, because there's no evidence that Dowan started moving after the arrows were fired. Maybe we'll see a better feat in the future.
 
While im not 100% sure on the AP of Charge shot multipliers (since it crosses into tiers that the verse hasn't really shown so far), the GB base stat increase saying it's higher than Booster and Black Lock seems sound enough, IMO
 
The charge shot one is interesting.

So basically each level is a 2x multiplier and the final level is a 5x multiplier.
Base → Lv1 (2x) → Lv2 (2x) → Lv3(2x) → Lv4(2x) → LvMAX(5x)

That'd make Post-Dragon's Nest Dowan 9-A+:
12.7 MJ (Base) → 25.4 MJ (Lv1) → 50.8 MJ (Lv2) → 101.6 MJ (Lv3) → 203.2 MJ (Lv4) → 1,016 MJ (MAX)

And Current Dowan... 8-C:
77.93 MJ (Base) → 155.86 MJ (LV1) → 311.72 MJ (LV2) → 623.44 MJ (Lv3) → 1,246.88 MJ (Lv4) → 6,234.4 MJ (MAX)
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
The charge shot one is interesting.

So basically each level is a 2x multiplier and the final level is a 5x multiplier.
Base → Lv1 (2x) → Lv2 (2x) → Lv3(2x) → Lv4(2x) → LvMAX(5x)

That'd make Post-Dragon's Nest Dowan 9-A+:
12.7 MJ (Base) → 25.4 MJ (Lv1) → 50.8 MJ (Lv2) → 101.6 MJ (Lv3) → 203.2 MJ (Lv4) → 1,016 MJ (MAX)

And Current Dowan... 8-C:
77.93 MJ (Base) → 155.86 MJ (LV1) → 311.72 MJ (LV2) → 623.44 MJ (Lv3) → 1,246.88 MJ (Lv4) → 6,234.4 MJ (MAX)
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Charge shot has more levels than this, that's why I'm extremely weirded out it could scale that high. It might be another one of those multipliers that even if stated, doesn't make any sense (I.e: Black Flash amp in JJK)
 
Taking Charge Shot's 7 levels into account and using this casual feat by Dae Bujin the new multiplier boosts are:
  • Base → Lv1 (2x) → Lv2 (2x) → Lv3(2x) → Lv4(2x) → Lv5(2x) → Lv6(2x) → MAX(5x)

Post Dragon's nest Dowan:
12.7 MJ (Base) → 25.4 MJ (Lv1) → 50.8 MJ (Lv2) → 101.6 MJ (Lv3) → 203.2 MJ (Lv4) → 406.4 MJ (Lv5) → 812.8 (Lv6) → 4,064 MJ (MAX)
Making MAX charge shot Tier 8-C

Season 2 Dowan:
26.5 MJ (Base) → 53 MJ (Lv1) → 106 MJ (Lv2) → 212 MJ (Lv3) → 424 MJ (Lv 4) → 848 MJ (Lv 5) → 1,696 MJ (Lv6) → 8,480 MJ (MAX)
Making MAX charge shot Tier 8-C+
 
Mercury009 said:
Charge shot has more levels than this, that's why I'm extremely weirded out it could scale that high. It might be another one of those multipliers that even if stated, doesn't make any sense (I.e: Black Flash amp in JJK)
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I agree.

It was plausible with just 5 levels but with 7 levels, The two Miseong-Dong reps who survived a Max charge shot would get a dura of Building Level and the character upscaling them reaching potentially Large Building and higher levels.

It's too massive of a power boost to make sense.
 
Well at least next CRT we can argue Great Body Dowan is HHS in base lmao. How fast would be using booster multiplier on top of that? Like High Hyper+?
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
Btw, S2 Dowan with Boosters is already at High Hypersonc+.
2519 x 7.7 = 19,399.22 m/s

And so is Choi Sun-jae by being comparable if not faster.
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Wouldn't Bujin and Gong sort of reacting to Booster Dowan also make them likely higher than Hypersonic at least?
 
While checking the profiles again I just noticed something.
S2 Dowan's attack, reaction and perception speed are High Hypersonic+. What Dae Bujin reacted to was his travel speed which is Transonic.
The two don't qualify for faster than Hypersonic.
 
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Hm, true. That would also explain why he can't just speed blitz him while not using Booster or Sunjae earrings. What about the first instance of Gong's blitz? Outlier?
 
DeltaStriker22 said:
Looks like both Charge shot multiplier and Great Body faster than Boosters aren't gonna work lol
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Iffy on GB being faster than Season 2 Booster Dowan but he should still definitely be faster than Season 1 Falcon Revolve Dowan (I.e. basically Hypersonic in Base) considering illustrator statements. However, I also do think the Charge Shot multiplier is kind of insane. Though to give some leeway, we haven’t seen Season 2 Dowan use a Charge Shot level higher than 3 (from a illustrator pic show ages ago, their was a pic showing each stages of CS had different color effects to them and we haven’t seen anything higher than Blue = Level 3) but idk if that justifies the basically insane multiplier CS does from each level.
 
What are everyone's thoughts on the 50% stat boost from Auto Mode?
Or is "Base stat, higher with Auto Mode, even higher with increasing physical output" better?
W3nnW said:
New information i found regarding Dowan's skill
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Also, the artist statements confirm that Dowan needs to get hit before he can absorb damage with indomitable will.
Think it's enough evidence to try and get the lightning durability feat accepted?
 
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