Reality Quest - Downgrade Speed

[Pxnd_013]

Dowan uses Falcon Revolve

This calculationis incorrect, as Viott explained in this calculation Therefore, I don't think there's any need to explain further

Therefore, Reality Quest should be downgraded to Supersonic

Agree : Allegxtions , CatLover313 , Floxy178 , Drite77 , DeltaStriker22 , Viott

Neutral :

Disagree :

 

[Allegxtions]

I agree.

 

[CatLover313]

Dowan uses Falcon Revolve

This calculationis incorrect, as Viott explained in this calculation Therefore, I don't think there's any need to explain further

Therefore, Reality Quest should be downgraded to Supersonic

If Viott himself who made the calc explained why it’s invalid, then only right to bring it down. I’m guessing this downgrades 2nd-Growth Dowan to Transonic and the Booster Multiplier down to 5x (following illustrator comments)?Then we can figure out the chain scaling from there

 

[Rynizenz]

If Viott himself who made the calc explained why it’s invalid, then only right to bring it down. I’m guessing this downgrades 2nd-Growth Dowan to Transonic and the Booster Multiplier down to 5x (following illustrator comments)?Then we can figure out the chain scaling from there

Quest Why doesn’t the calc on dowan punching the fodder be use as his current baseline speed

 

[Hayder0772]

Quest Why doesn’t the calc on dowan punching the fodder be use as his current baseline speed

Because this feat was done by max stats dowan which currently he doesn't have it so it can't be used for base speed

 

[Floxy178]

Seems reasonable at a glance considering Dowan was in lower position while performing feat compared to when he was receiving the attack.

 

[CatLover313]

Seems reasonable at a glance considering Dowan was in lower position while performing feat compared to when he was receiving the attack.

Does the thread need another CGM, as it technically affects the verse as a whole?

On another note, we used the feat for the Falcon Revolve as a 7.7x speed multiplier for the speed boost of Dowan's ability Booster (ability description here), as the series illustrator's comment on social media mentions it being a 5x boost, likely higher. So will the speed boost go down from 7.7x to 5x? Or should this conversation be for another thread?

 

[Floxy178]

Does the thread need another CGM, as it technically affects the verse as a whole?

Obviously it needs a second vote.

On another note, we used the feat for the Falcon Revolve as a 7.7x speed multiplier for the speed boost of Dowan's ability Booster (ability description here), as the series illustrator's comment on social media mentions it being a 5x boost, likely higher. So will the speed boost go down from 7.7x to 5x? Or should this conversation be for another thread?

That's something that needs to be discussed in a CRT I believe.

 

[Rynizenz]

Does the thread need another CGM, as it technically affects the verse as a whole?

On another note, we used the feat for the Falcon Revolve as a 7.7x speed multiplier for the speed boost of Dowan's ability Booster (ability description here), as the series illustrator's comment on social media mentions it being a 5x boost, likely higher. So will the speed boost go down from 7.7x to 5x? Or should this conversation be for another thread?

It probably go down to 5x itf a crt is made due to us not having any new indicator and put me ad agree with the changes

 

[CatLover313]

It probably go down to 5x itf a crt is made due to us not having any new indicator and put me ad agree with the changes

Yeah, once the downgrade finishes (likely will get approved), I'll make a CRT about the usage of booster, don't want to clutter this thread too much.

 

[Drite77]

I approved (Then rejected) said recalculation, so this seems reasonable to me

 

[Kakistan]

I actually have a lot to say about this, which I've already discussed on Discord.

A few things regarding 5 separate speeds for Dowan: Base/Weapon Mastery/Booster/WM+Booster/Falcon Revolve

We don't actually have a sufficient speed calc for Base Dowan, whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd Growth. I think using his base performance against Dae Bujin to scale him to his own multiplied performance (Booster) is bogus, especially since Dowan's base stats are calculated in-verse by numbers. If they don't increase, it doesn't make sense for his base scaling to go up. Just look at the Mach 58 in Dowan's current page from stacked Booster multipliers.

Next is Weapon Mastery. I think this feat (Dowan throwing balls) should also not be used for his base, since WM is a very blatant buff to his speed. This is displayed in Chapter 53 where Dowan is surrounded by 2 gang members and says "I can't dodge both of them right now!", but overtakes the situation with a visibly massive boost via activating WM. Whether or not I agree with the calculation is a different question + I don't really have any idea why a throwing feat is used for speed.

Not much to say about Booster itself, it's a 5x multiplier according to the creators. What I want to remark is related to it, though. For example: In the same fight as the initial Falcon Revolve, Dowan's WM deactivates due to losing his blade and instead he uses Booster, but the opponent is still able to see Dowan get behind him.

Furthermore, when WM+Booster is used, the opponent still ended up reacting and put up a defensive stance to block (Chapter 102). This is explained by the opponent not actually having gone all out in their prior clash. Dowan was noted to only hold back on the last attack, to avoid being lethal, not the others. And this leads into what I want to say about Falcon Revolve, which presents a full-powered version incapable of reacting to Dowan, proving WM < Booster < Falcon Revolve in terms of buffs.

(Hence, Booster shouldn't ever scale to Falcon Revolve.)

Besides, the Falcon Revolve feat shouldn't be using a full circumference anyway. We see that Dowan is still in the middle of completing the circle during the panel, the entire off-screen left side wouldn't be included in the oval nor the calculation.

 

[Pxnd_013]

Seems reasonable at a glance considering Dowan was in lower position while performing feat compared to when he was receiving the attack.

I approved (Then rejected) said recalculation, so this seems reasonable to me

Thank you for your evaluation

 

[Pxnd_013]

I actually have a lot to say about this, which I've already discussed on Discord.

A few things regarding 5 separate speeds for Dowan: Base/Weapon Mastery/Booster/WM+Booster/Falcon Revolve

We don't actually have a sufficient speed calc for Base Dowan, whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd Growth. I think using his base performance against Dae Bujin to scale him to his own multiplied performance (Booster) is bogus, especially since Dowan's base stats are calculated in-verse by numbers. If they don't increase, it doesn't make sense for his base scaling to go up. Just look at the Mach 58 in Dowan's current page from stacked Booster multipliers.

Next is Weapon Mastery. I think this feat (Dowan throwing balls) should also not be used for his base, since WM is a very blatant buff to his speed. This is displayed in Chapter 53 where Dowan is surrounded by 2 gang members and says "I can't dodge both of them right now!", but overtakes the situation with a visibly massive boost via activating WM. Whether or not I agree with the calculation is a different question + I don't really have any idea why a throwing feat is used for speed.

Not much to say about Booster itself, it's a 5x multiplier according to the creators. What I want to remark is related to it, though. For example: In the same fight as the initial Falcon Revolve, Dowan's WM deactivates due to losing his blade and instead he uses Booster, but the opponent is still able to see Dowan get behind him.

Furthermore, when WM+Booster is used, the opponent still ended up reacting and put up a defensive stance to block (Chapter 102). This is explained by the opponent not actually having gone all out in their prior clash. Dowan was noted to only hold back on the last attack, to avoid being lethal, not the others. And this leads into what I want to say about Falcon Revolve, which presents a full-powered version incapable of reacting to Dowan, proving WM < Booster < Falcon Revolve in terms of buffs.

(Hence, Booster shouldn't ever scale to Falcon Revolve.)

Besides, the Falcon Revolve feat shouldn't be using a full circumference anyway. We see that Dowan is still in the middle of completing the circle during the panel, the entire off-screen left side wouldn't be included in the oval nor the calculation.

As for the discussion of dowan's multipliers and skills, I think it's best to discuss them in another CRT, as I don't want to make this CGD too cluttered. I'll wait for CatLover313 to make a CRT and then we can discuss it there

 

[CatLover313]

I actually have a lot to say about this, which I've already discussed on Discord.

A few things regarding 5 separate speeds for Dowan: Base/Weapon Mastery/Booster/WM+Booster/Falcon Revolve

We don't actually have a sufficient speed calc for Base Dowan, whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd Growth. I think using his base performance against Dae Bujin to scale him to his own multiplied performance (Booster) is bogus, especially since Dowan's base stats are calculated in-verse by numbers. If they don't increase, it doesn't make sense for his base scaling to go up. Just look at the Mach 58 in Dowan's current page from stacked Booster multipliers.

Next is Weapon Mastery. I think this feat (Dowan throwing balls) should also not be used for his base, since WM is a very blatant buff to his speed. This is displayed in Chapter 53 where Dowan is surrounded by 2 gang members and says "I can't dodge both of them right now!", but overtakes the situation with a visibly massive boost via activating WM. Whether or not I agree with the calculation is a different question + I don't really have any idea why a throwing feat is used for speed.

Not much to say about Booster itself, it's a 5x multiplier according to the creators. What I want to remark is related to it, though. For example: In the same fight as the initial Falcon Revolve, Dowan's WM deactivates due to losing his blade and instead he uses Booster, but the opponent is still able to see Dowan get behind him.

Furthermore, when WM+Booster is used, the opponent still ended up reacting and put up a defensive stance to block (Chapter 102). This is explained by the opponent not actually having gone all out in their prior clash. Dowan was noted to only hold back on the last attack, to avoid being lethal, not the others. And this leads into what I want to say about Falcon Revolve, which presents a full-powered version incapable of reacting to Dowan, proving WM < Booster < Falcon Revolve in terms of buffs.

(Hence, Booster shouldn't ever scale to Falcon Revolve.)

Besides, the Falcon Revolve feat shouldn't be using a full circumference anyway. We see that Dowan is still in the middle of completing the circle during the panel, the entire off-screen left side wouldn't be included in the oval nor the calculation.

I think some of your points are definitely valid but this thread might be closing up soon anyway because it might've just been focused about Falcon Revolve. I do plan on doing an eventual CRT (AFTER the booster CRT unless you want to make your own rn or ask someone else to) trying to revamp the entire verse's speed as I have some issues with some calcs and how they're construed.

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Looks good, I agree.
The hypersonic feat should be removed from the speed section and the Dowan uses falcon revolve 2 should be changed to to just Dowan uses falcon revolve.
And since boosters no longer scales above falcon revolve it's multiplier will now change from 7.7x to at least 5x.

 

[Viott]

I agree.

 

[Kakistan]

As for the discussion of dowan's multipliers and skills, I think it's best to discuss them in another CRT, as I don't want to make this CGD too cluttered. I'll wait for CatLover313 to make a CRT and then we can discuss it there

Alright, thank you for your thoughts, I'll keep that in mind.

And like the others, I also agree. Will further elaborate on the CRT.

I think some of your points are definitely valid but this thread might be closing up soon anyway because it might've just been focused about Falcon Revolve. I do plan on doing an eventual CRT (AFTER the booster CRT unless you want to make your own rn or ask someone else to) trying to revamp the entire verse's speed as I have some issues with some calcs and how they're construed.

Bet. And nah, I'm pretty new to this site and feel like a boomer trying to navigate my way around it. I'll be there once you start the CRT to spread my thoughts.