Reality-fiction differences

[DaSmileKat]

Why do reality-fiction differences have anything to do with the tier of a character? Reality-fiction differences are only relative. If reality-fiction differences is considered into a character's tier, then any character smart enough to imagine a Tier 0 would instantly become a Tier 0 themselves, because they vastly transcend a Tier 0 in their imagination. And there's a lot of those characters, since we humans had thought of Tier 0's. If there's a cosmology with reality-fiction differences not only infinitely upwards, but also infinitely downwards, then literally every character will be at least Low 1-A.

 

[Planck69]

We decide which level of reality is the "base" (often the one that houses most of the normal setting) and any reality-fiction difference is scaled from there. Without feats, we only take it to be a single level of transcendence when it's showcased, nothing more. Being able to think up an all-powerful being is irrelevant here since it's a character that a higher being or plane of reality sees as fiction, not their level of comprehension (a human can imagine a Tier 0 but anyone who sees them as fiction will still be Low 2-C to Low 1-C depending on the setting).

No, a hierarchy that is infinite upwards and downwards is just a higher degree of High 1-B. It's larger than your average infinite ladder but it's still a countably infinite one regardless of where you are on the ladder.

If my explanation isn't good enough (I'm not much of an expert) then check out these pages:

Tiering System

Reality - Fiction Interaction

 

[DaSmileKat]

There's still a problem. A character's tier is dependent on where he/she/it is, and not his/her/its power. That character can be put into a higher level of reality and instantly become much, much stronger even though his/her/its true power never changed.

 

[Planck69]

Yes, I agree that a character's power should be evaluated objectively based on their feats and portrayal. However, this is not a matter of where a character exists as you think. Nyarlathotep's avatars can take mortals to planes beyond dimensionality and reality as a whole but in this case it's not a feat for the humans as they can just exist there not alter or affect the plane in any way. A proper reality-fiction difference has the character and setting at a certain tier and a being that vews it as fiction as explicitly descibed or implied to be beyond infinitely superior to them.

If it meets that requirement then it can be used for tiering.

 

[DaSmileKat]

Ok, great. The thread can be closed now.

 

[Antvasima]

I will do so then.

 

[Antvasima]

Btw: Thanks for helping out Planck69.