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Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

Maybe we should at least, AT THE BIGGEST LOW-BALL FOR AL SHARIO DISTANCE, that they are WAAAAAAAAAY further away than the moon.
That's not the biggest lowball, nor even a lowball imo. There are stars further away from the moon =/= all of the stars are further away from the moon.

Also if anything, Nerfed Reinhard who couldn't handle lightning speed can handle the speed of Al Shario. So even at best, it wouldn't reach such value.
 
That's not the biggest lowball, nor even a lowball imo. There are stars further away from the moon =/= all of the stars are further away from the moon.

Also if anything, Nerfed Reinhard who couldn't handle lightning speed can handle the speed of Al Shario. So even at best, it wouldn't reach such value.
The lightning speed downgrade you keep trying to do will never make sense 😭
 
Obviously the magician casting Al Shario cannot control the effects Al Shario has, the spell simply capitalizes on the attraction between mana of the same type to cast a star down to earth. It's also obviously not planetary, because the world still exists.

Lye will not get resistance to any of the Ten Enchanted Swords because none have been used against him. He would get low-diffed by Eugard.
 
Obviously the magician casting Al Shario cannot control the effects Al Shario has, the spell simply capitalizes on the attraction between mana of the same type to cast a star down to earth. It's also obviously not planetary, because the world still exists.

Lye will not get resistance to any of the Ten Enchanted Swords because none have been used against him. He would get low-diffed by Eugard.
Eugard would get his ass beat by Lye, and he doesn’t need to have one used against him when it’s stated like 5x that holy swords don’t work on him, and all of the enchanted swords are holy swords as is stated in arc 7

And no, something can have planetary AP without it literally destroying the planet 😭 the method used to pull it down is using attraction of like mana, that doesn’t mean they have no control over the stars which are pulled down
 
Lye gets incapped by the Curse of Thorns and then beheaded. Less a fight and more an execution. Breaking Halibel's rib is also a better feat for stats than anything Lye has.

And Lye would need feats or statements, because "a holy sword" ≠ the Ten Enchanted Swords. Astrea is a holy sword. The Sword of Selection is a holy sword. Holy swords are not that rare, but only ten swords in the world are enchanted.
 
Lye gets incapped by the Curse of Thorns and then beheaded. Less a fight and more an execution. Breaking Halibel's rib is also a better feat for stats than anything Lye has.

And Lye would need feats or statements, because "a holy sword" ≠ the Ten Enchanted Swords. Astrea is a holy sword. The Sword of Selection is a holy sword. Holy swords are not that rare, but only ten swords in the world are enchanted.
1. Good luck proving that Lye would be incapacitated by the curse of thorns, you would never be able to

2. Why is Halibel stronger than Lye?

3. It’s just stated.
If a conventional Flying Winged Blade were about the size of a one-handed sword, this one was as massive as two large swords joined together, and even heavier than ten large swords melted and cast together.

Once upon a time, ten swords, of Enchanted and Holy type both, holding special powers, were brought forth in this world.

This weapon, made of metal allegedly on par with those, fully demonstrated its power, a fiendish weapon that was far more deadly than it appeared.
 
1. Good luck proving that Lye would be incapacitated by the curse of thorns, you would never be able to

2. Why is Halibel stronger than Lye?

3. It’s just stated.
And no matter what way you cope about it, the Dream Sword, Yang Sword and the Dragon sword are all stated to be holy swords. So he would be granted resistance to them at the very least.
 
Lye has no stamina feats good enough to prove he could withstand the Curse of Thorns. The curse incapacitates zombies who hardly feel a thing when being shattered to bits or burned alive. Lye has been tortured and abused, but that's simply not enough to withstand the curse.

Halibel has much better scaling than Lye, namely to Cecilus, who we know would kill Lye easily. Lye is too slow and fragile to put up a fight against the genuine transcendent characters.

Dragon or Yang Swords also being holy swords does not mean that Lye can resist their powers. Beli Hainelga'a skin is so sturdy that "even the slashes of a holy sword" would not penetrate it. This does not say "a holy sword" is not a phrase that implies "all swords considered holy". He would die if hit by either of those swords, by any of their wielders, either due to hax or AP. Claiming he could resist their powers is baseless wanking.
 
Lye has no stamina feats good enough to prove he could withstand the Curse of Thorns. The curse incapacitates zombies who hardly feel a thing when being shattered to bits or burned alive. Lye has been tortured and abused, but that's simply not enough to withstand the curse.

Ok cool, this is just an argument from ignorance, what I didn’t ask you to prove or do is send me a paragraph about it having feats on other people who are not Lye, I asked you to give me a reason to believe it would work on Lye

Halibel has much better scaling than Lye, namely to Cecilus, who we know would kill Lye easily. Lye is too slow and fragile to put up a fight against the genuine transcendent characters.

I’m not sure why the Cecilus that Halibel fought is stronger than Lye for one, and two we don’t know how the fight went, how serious Cecilus was or whether he even used his two enchanted blades, we know that even against people like Reinhard he holds back, saying “we know Cecilus would kill Lye” is fine, the “easily,” bit is headcanon and unstated anywhere, going by the Wrath If, it isn’t even certain for Subaru if he jumped Cecilus with multiple people including Halibel that he’d win, and it’s stated Halibel can’t even compare in direct combat, obviously implying that Halibel doesn’t directly scale to him, it’s an issue of type matchups.

Dragon or Yang Swords also being holy swords does not mean that Lye can resist their powers. Beli Hainelga'a skin is so sturdy that "even the slashes of a holy sword" would not penetrate it. This does not say "a holy sword" is not a phrase that implies "all swords considered holy". He would die if hit by either of those swords, by any of their wielders, either due to hax or AP. Claiming he could resist their powers is baseless wanking.

It says holy swords, notice how it speaks of a type rather than a token, you’re baselessly downplaying and saying “Oh uhh it means SOME HOLY SWORDS not holy swords in general” when the statement itself does not say that, it says holy swords can’t penetrate his skin, those swords are holy swords, so they can’t penetrate his skin, simple as ABC without needing to use meaningless Ad Hoc rescue’s to save your ass 😭
 
Uh, what about Al Karum and Reinhard destroying The Singularity of Mass with a thrust of reid?
Black hole creation very often exceeds the usual highest power of a verse. It isn't necessarily indicative of a verse's power otherwise. Just look at JJK. Although, it does have perfect sphere too.

Also the dragon sword destroying it is just hax.
 
You said nothing of substance here. Thank you for conceding.

Cecilus that Halibel fought
12yo Cecilus low-diffs Solar Eclipse Lye with his bare hands.
“easily,” bit is headcanon and unstated anywhere
Tappei said Cecilus would kill Lye easily.
Q: How strong is Lye?

A: He is one of the strongest Sin Archbishops, about even with Sirius.


I think that strength in battle depends on the starting conditions.

For example, in the Emilia Camp, Garfiel is the strongest in close combat, but Emilia is the best at medium range, and Roswaal is the best at long range.

Lye, on the other hand, is an all-rounder who can use a variety of warrior techniques with the “Authority of Gluttony,” but he does not have outstanding abilities.

Still, I think it is quite strong that he has the ability to handle any situation.

Since there is a setting that “the Sin Archbishops have never been defeated before because their abilities cannot be detected at first sight. However, their own combat power is not so high,” Lye is the strongest among the Sin Archbishops in terms of combat power.

He is ranked high in most countries, and he is a leveler who may or may not be able to beat the Nine Divine Generals. However, Cecilus will kill him easily (lol).

“Oh uhh it means SOME HOLY SWORDS not holy swords in general”
It means a normal holy sword, i.e one that is not enchanted. Like Astrea, or the ones in the collection from Brotherhood of Pleiades. If it meant the Ten Enchanted Swords, it would say so.
 
You said nothing of substance here. Thank you for conceding.

There was no concession which occurred, your reply was an argument from ignorance and doesn’t add anything to the argument aside from saying “Lye has not shown X therefore Lye does not have X” which is baseless and unprovable

12yo Cecilus low-diffs Solar Eclipse Lye with his bare hands.

Tappei said Cecilus would kill Lye easily.

Tappei has said false things before, if your intent is to cherry pick when to agree or disagree with his statements simply for the sake of argument then your argument is just special pleading, furthermore the statement doesn’t mean that Cecilus in a full power fight with Lye would kill him easily when we know as per Rui’s statements Lye takes hits he doesn’t need to, and Lye holds back severely in all of his fights, a case where he loses far more easily than he should due to personality is obvious given the evidence

It means a normal holy sword, i.e one that is not enchanted. Like Astrea, or the ones in the collection from Brotherhood of Pleiades. If it meant the Ten Enchanted Swords, it would say so.

“It means a normal holy sword” prove that? 😭
 
Hax for both.
I mean the DSR destroying a black hole doesnt seem like hax to me tbh, not everything has to be Hax, and even if it were hax, in the JJK Page Yorozu has her pressure ball in 3-A and nobody says anything, its pretty common to use hax to add to stats or/and tier
 
I mean the DSR destroying a black hole doesnt seem like hax to me tbh, not everything has to be Hax, and even if it were hax, in the JJK Page Yorozu has her pressure ball in 3-A and nobody says anything, its pretty common to use hax to add to stats or/and tier
Black Holes can't be "destroyed" that way, so we literally don't have any way to give AP here. It isn't even described to be AP as well, so dunno what you expect :d

Read here, explains more.

Yorozu has literal infinite pressure statement for the attack itself. That's not a good comparison.
 
Black Holes can't be "destroyed" that way, so we literally don't have any way to give AP here. It isn't even described to be AP as well, so dunno what you expect :d

Read here.

Yorozu has literal infinite pressure statement for the attack itself. That's not a good comparison.
I mean the DSR tanked it, and it was a thrust, thats atleast a Defense Upscale, and to Destroy a black hole, a literal singularity of mass, you should need atleast some AP for that, specially since there isnt any anti-feat of the DSR failing to destroy something, specially with the description of Singularities of mass in physics, "a singularity of mass is a theoretical point at the center of a black hole where matter is crushed into infinite density and zero volume"
 
Black Holes can't be "destroyed" that way, so we literally don't have any way to give AP here. It isn't even described to be AP as well, so dunno what you expect :d

Read here, explains more.

Yorozu has literal infinite pressure statement for the attack itself. That's not a good comparison.
What was the dubious formula you gave to find the size of the stars again?
 
Don’t just admit
Making a ridiculous false equivalence will not help you, it only makes you sound silly. You actually need to prove things for anyone to believe what you say; there is no reason to believe Lye could withstand the Curse of Thorns, therefore it is accepted that he cannot withstand them. He would need a feat or statement that supports the as-of-now baseless belief that he could handle the Curse of Thorns.

strawmans
I wasn't making a stawman, I was just mocking your claims because you have no way of supporting your burden of proof. Cecilus massively outscales Lye by entire magnitudes, and stretching "the slashes of a holy sword" to mean "he's immune to the Dragon and Yang Swords!!" is so absurd that no one is going to take it seriously when they're familiar with the original material.


Black Holes can't be "destroyed" that way, so we literally don't have any way to give AP here. It isn't even described to be AP as well, so dunno what you expect :d
Yeah, the black hole was destroyed because it couldn't crush the Dragon Sword's sheath even past its event horizon, an impossible situation IRL, so Tappei decided a singularity being unable to swallow an object would result in the singularity coming undone.
 
Yeah, the black hole was destroyed because it couldn't crush the Dragon Sword's sheath even past its event horizon, an impossible situation IRL, so Tappei decided a singularity being unable to swallow an object would result in the singularity coming undone.
Even then, the feat is silly as ****, like "yeah DSR > Black Hole".😭😭😭😭🙏💯💔💔
 
Making a ridiculous false equivalence will not help you, it only makes you sound silly. You actually need to prove things for anyone to believe what you say; there is no reason to believe Lye could withstand the Curse of Thorns, therefore it is accepted that he cannot withstand them. He would need a feat or statement that supports the as-of-now baseless belief that he could handle the Curse of Thorns.

Saying it’s a false equivalence without reason is just vibes, idc to argue with you when you just admitted your statement is an argument from ignorance, that’s a concession. There’s no reason to believe Lye COULDN’T withstand the curse of thorns, therefore it is accepted he can withstand them, see how all I need to do is say Couldn’t instead of could and your argument fails?

I wasn't making a stawman, I was just mocking your claims because you have no way of supporting your burden of proof. Cecilus massively outscales Lye by entire magnitudes, and stretching "the slashes of a holy sword" to mean "he's immune to the Dragon and Yang Swords!!" is so absurd that no one is going to take it seriously when they're familiar with the original material.

Its stated in the Beatrice fight that that’s what he does, Rui says it, we see this is true based off descriptions of his fighting, so that’s the BOP fulfilled, and the latter bit is just an argument from incredulity and repeating the initial claims, you’re very bad at this, do you need debate lessons?
 
Like what?

Souls are impossible to destroy without the life sword. That there would be no more loli’s added to Re:Zero. That we would never leave Lugunica, need I go on?

Because you dismissing Zabazab evidence without proof just comes as this.


We don't have any reason to believe what Tappei is saying false anyway.
I don’t think it’s false even, I just think it’s taking into account how they fight in character, to which Lye holds back massively to eat peoples names whereas Cecilus has killing intent
 
I don’t think it’s false even, I just think it’s taking into account how they fight in character, to which Lye holds back massively to eat peoples names whereas Cecilus has killing intent
Hm, so you argument is Cecilus could Kill Lye easily, but just because he would hold back in character?
 
I don't think Ley resists the curse of thorns but I think without it he would absolutely maul Eugard I'm sorry. I'm not sure why breaking Halibel's ribs is being treated as some insane ap feat Ley could never replicate as if Halibel wasn't being directly overpowered by one of the four great spirits. Not that Halibel isn't really powerful but he isn't reliant on raw power. It isn't what makes him a transcendent.

If anything I would go so far as to say that Ley could put up a fair fight against Halibel. Not because I think he's generally quite as strong as him but because he's one of the few people who could outcompete his variety of odd techniques and he has shonobi memories to help handle Halibel better. Now who would actually win? Probably Halibel at the end of the day. As he himself said, there aren't many people who could last against him without getting hit at least once and subsequently cursed. But I don't think Ley goes down immediately or anything and I think he may even have a slight chance. Cecilus' speed and sword technique would probably be harder to deal with though.
 
I don't think Ley resists the curse of thorns but I think without it he would absolutely maul Eugard I'm sorry. I'm not sure why breaking Halibel's ribs is being treated as some insane ap feat Ley could never replicate as if Halibel wasn't being directly overpowered by one of the four great spirits. Not that Halibel isn't really powerful but he isn't reliant on raw power. It isn't what makes him a transcendent.

If anything I would go so far as to say that Ley could put up a fair fight against Halibel. Not because I think he's generally quite as strong as him but because he's one of the few people who could outcompete his variety of odd techniques and he has shonobi memories to help handle Halibel better. Now who would actually win? Probably Halibel at the end of the day. As he himself said, there aren't many people who could last against him without getting hit at least once and subsequently cursed. But I don't think Ley goes down immediately or anything and I think he may even have a slight chance. Cecilus' speed and sword technique would probably be harder to deal with though.
Lye has shinobi techniques too, no? Ones we’ve never seen Halibel use
 
Lye has shinobi techniques too, no? Ones we’ve never seen Halibel use
He has used at least one, yeah. And not a standard one that I would expect just anyone to use. But the important part is just understanding basic shinobi techniques and fighting styles.
 
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