Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

[MrTayman616]

Maybe we should at least, AT THE BIGGEST LOW-BALL FOR AL SHARIO DISTANCE, that they are WAAAAAAAAAY further away than the moon.

That's not the biggest lowball, nor even a lowball imo. There are stars further away from the moon =/= all of the stars are further away from the moon.

Also if anything, Nerfed Reinhard who couldn't handle lightning speed can handle the speed of Al Shario. So even at best, it wouldn't reach such value.

 

[Hercules1125]

That's not the biggest lowball, nor even a lowball imo. There are stars further away from the moon =/= all of the stars are further away from the moon.

Also if anything, Nerfed Reinhard who couldn't handle lightning speed can handle the speed of Al Shario. So even at best, it wouldn't reach such value.

The lightning speed downgrade you keep trying to do will never make sense

 

[MrTayman616]

The lightning speed downgrade you keep trying to do will never make sense

Ok.

 

[Huesito88]

Ok.

Insert Saitama "Ok." face

 

[UrongSygn1]

60000 more Petra matchups

 

[UrongSygn1]

There are no feats above tier 6 in Re:Zero (with the sole and useless exception of Return by Death)

Uh, what about Al Karum and Reinhard destroying The Singularity of Mass with a thrust of reid?

 

[MrTayman616]

Uh, what about Al Karum and Reinhard destroying The Singularity of Mass with a thrust of reid?

Hax for both.

 

[Hercules1125]

Hax for both.

The latter obviously isn’t hax, maybe you can say destroying it is hax, the durability you’d need to survive being near it obviously is a feat

 

[Zabazab]

Obviously the magician casting Al Shario cannot control the effects Al Shario has, the spell simply capitalizes on the attraction between mana of the same type to cast a star down to earth. It's also obviously not planetary, because the world still exists.

Lye will not get resistance to any of the Ten Enchanted Swords because none have been used against him. He would get low-diffed by Eugard.

 

[Hercules1125]

Obviously the magician casting Al Shario cannot control the effects Al Shario has, the spell simply capitalizes on the attraction between mana of the same type to cast a star down to earth. It's also obviously not planetary, because the world still exists.

Lye will not get resistance to any of the Ten Enchanted Swords because none have been used against him. He would get low-diffed by Eugard.

Eugard would get his ass beat by Lye, and he doesn’t need to have one used against him when it’s stated like 5x that holy swords don’t work on him, and all of the enchanted swords are holy swords as is stated in arc 7

And no, something can have planetary AP without it literally destroying the planet the method used to pull it down is using attraction of like mana, that doesn’t mean they have no control over the stars which are pulled down

 

[Zabazab]

Lye gets incapped by the Curse of Thorns and then beheaded. Less a fight and more an execution. Breaking Halibel's rib is also a better feat for stats than anything Lye has.

And Lye would need feats or statements, because "a holy sword" ≠ the Ten Enchanted Swords. Astrea is a holy sword. The Sword of Selection is a holy sword. Holy swords are not that rare, but only ten swords in the world are enchanted.

 

[Hercules1125]

Lye gets incapped by the Curse of Thorns and then beheaded. Less a fight and more an execution. Breaking Halibel's rib is also a better feat for stats than anything Lye has.

And Lye would need feats or statements, because "a holy sword" ≠ the Ten Enchanted Swords. Astrea is a holy sword. The Sword of Selection is a holy sword. Holy swords are not that rare, but only ten swords in the world are enchanted.

1. Good luck proving that Lye would be incapacitated by the curse of thorns, you would never be able to

2. Why is Halibel stronger than Lye?

3. It’s just stated.

If a conventional Flying Winged Blade were about the size of a one-handed sword, this one was as massive as two large swords joined together, and even heavier than ten large swords melted and cast together.

Once upon a time, ten swords, of Enchanted and Holy type both, holding special powers, were brought forth in this world.

This weapon, made of metal allegedly on par with those, fully demonstrated its power, a fiendish weapon that was far more deadly than it appeared.

 

[Hercules1125]

1. Good luck proving that Lye would be incapacitated by the curse of thorns, you would never be able to

2. Why is Halibel stronger than Lye?

3. It’s just stated.

And no matter what way you cope about it, the Dream Sword, Yang Sword and the Dragon sword are all stated to be holy swords. So he would be granted resistance to them at the very least.

 

[Zabazab]

Lye has no stamina feats good enough to prove he could withstand the Curse of Thorns. The curse incapacitates zombies who hardly feel a thing when being shattered to bits or burned alive. Lye has been tortured and abused, but that's simply not enough to withstand the curse.

Halibel has much better scaling than Lye, namely to Cecilus, who we know would kill Lye easily. Lye is too slow and fragile to put up a fight against the genuine transcendent characters.

Dragon or Yang Swords also being holy swords does not mean that Lye can resist their powers. Beli Hainelga'a skin is so sturdy that "even the slashes of a holy sword" would not penetrate it. This does not say "a holy sword" is not a phrase that implies "all swords considered holy". He would die if hit by either of those swords, by any of their wielders, either due to hax or AP. Claiming he could resist their powers is baseless wanking.

 

[Hercules1125]

Lye has no stamina feats good enough to prove he could withstand the Curse of Thorns. The curse incapacitates zombies who hardly feel a thing when being shattered to bits or burned alive. Lye has been tortured and abused, but that's simply not enough to withstand the curse.

Ok cool, this is just an argument from ignorance, what I didn’t ask you to prove or do is send me a paragraph about it having feats on other people who are not Lye, I asked you to give me a reason to believe it would work on Lye

Halibel has much better scaling than Lye, namely to Cecilus, who we know would kill Lye easily. Lye is too slow and fragile to put up a fight against the genuine transcendent characters.

I’m not sure why the Cecilus that Halibel fought is stronger than Lye for one, and two we don’t know how the fight went, how serious Cecilus was or whether he even used his two enchanted blades, we know that even against people like Reinhard he holds back, saying “we know Cecilus would kill Lye” is fine, the “easily,” bit is headcanon and unstated anywhere, going by the Wrath If, it isn’t even certain for Subaru if he jumped Cecilus with multiple people including Halibel that he’d win, and it’s stated Halibel can’t even compare in direct combat, obviously implying that Halibel doesn’t directly scale to him, it’s an issue of type matchups.

Dragon or Yang Swords also being holy swords does not mean that Lye can resist their powers. Beli Hainelga'a skin is so sturdy that "even the slashes of a holy sword" would not penetrate it. This does not say "a holy sword" is not a phrase that implies "all swords considered holy". He would die if hit by either of those swords, by any of their wielders, either due to hax or AP. Claiming he could resist their powers is baseless wanking.

It says holy swords, notice how it speaks of a type rather than a token, you’re baselessly downplaying and saying “Oh uhh it means SOME HOLY SWORDS not holy swords in general” when the statement itself does not say that, it says holy swords can’t penetrate his skin, those swords are holy swords, so they can’t penetrate his skin, simple as ABC without needing to use meaningless Ad Hoc rescue’s to save your ass

 

[VortechsTG]

Uh, what about Al Karum and Reinhard destroying The Singularity of Mass with a thrust of reid?

Black hole creation very often exceeds the usual highest power of a verse. It isn't necessarily indicative of a verse's power otherwise. Just look at JJK. Although, it does have perfect sphere too.

Also the dragon sword destroying it is just hax.

 

[Zabazab]

Ok

You said nothing of substance here. Thank you for conceding.

Cecilus that Halibel fought

12yo Cecilus low-diffs Solar Eclipse Lye with his bare hands.

“easily,” bit is headcanon and unstated anywhere

Tappei said Cecilus would kill Lye easily.

Q: How strong is Lye?

A: He is one of the strongest Sin Archbishops, about even with Sirius.

I think that strength in battle depends on the starting conditions.

For example, in the Emilia Camp, Garfiel is the strongest in close combat, but Emilia is the best at medium range, and Roswaal is the best at long range.

Lye, on the other hand, is an all-rounder who can use a variety of warrior techniques with the “Authority of Gluttony,” but he does not have outstanding abilities.

Still, I think it is quite strong that he has the ability to handle any situation.

Since there is a setting that “the Sin Archbishops have never been defeated before because their abilities cannot be detected at first sight. However, their own combat power is not so high,” Lye is the strongest among the Sin Archbishops in terms of combat power.

He is ranked high in most countries, and he is a leveler who may or may not be able to beat the Nine Divine Generals. However, Cecilus will kill him easily (lol).

“Oh uhh it means SOME HOLY SWORDS not holy swords in general”

It means a normal holy sword, i.e one that is not enchanted. Like Astrea, or the ones in the collection from Brotherhood of Pleiades. If it meant the Ten Enchanted Swords, it would say so.