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Explosion calc doesn't require mass, and it wouldn't really be good to use it based on the statements, radius, and unknown depth that wouldn't fit to explosion.
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Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real
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You would need a larger explosion to destroy something with more mass, and more energy, no? If you’re calculating the energy brought about by Al Shario to destroy Vollachia, then you would need to factor in mass I think
the depth can be figured out based on the mass of Vollachia too
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Do you refer to your calc? I don't agree with the premise that one Al Shario would destroy Vollachia.
Reinhard scales above due to being Reinhard, everyone who scales to him naturally is the same.
Cecilus with his Enchanted Swords scales directly (slew one). Not sure how to compare his bare hands to his enchanted swordsmanship, it's like multiple one-shot gaps.
Clind directly scales since he shattered a star without injury, after releasing his second sealing shackle. Alter's physicals scale above that. Roswaal's Al Quartet and higher also scale as it matched Alter's breath which was said to one-shot Clind. Roswaal probably then sets a bunch of other chains in motion.
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I also have heavy doubt about it based on other statements there. I was originally going to write them to OP then let staff decide. I'd like to hear yours here too, though. (I might just not make the thread at all based on it)
Would his base really scale?
His scaling would remain the same, changes with swords.
Didn't he use multiple attacks? or i remember it wrong ig.
Didn't Alter fell after Reinhard threw Al Shario to him? He even tried to stop the star with his breath.
Alter's breath is canonically below Al Shario, no?
These depends on the kind of destruction, which isn't supported here. Explosion calc suits the best here imo.
Depth and radius together wouldn't fit.
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Sphinx's first Al Shario was aiming to where Cecilus, Al, and Arakiya were. Her goal was Arakiya's death, and thus the destruction of Vollachia by way of Muspel ceasing to be.
Echidna's Al Shario and Alter's Al Shario(s) didn't destroy Lugunica.
Priscilla actually says in arc 8 chapter 70 that Sphinx would need numerous Sphinxes casting Al Shario to destroy Vollachia, which clued her in to the weakness of the clones sharing mana reserves.
Yeah. Clind is not hitting harder than Vague, let alone Reinhard.
Nah.
Reinhard kicked it at him, he triggered its explosion with his breath, and was left brutally injured. But that's the weakest Alter ever was, he got way stronger after downloading Al's 130k loops and fighting Wilhelm.
I said "breath", but technically he just used magic inside his own mouth to create an explosion, which Al Quartet was used to counter. When it was just his uncharged dragonbreath, Clind could slice through it bare-handed.
And while Al Shario is described as destruction beyond dragonbreath, it's hard to say if Volcanica (by extension, Alter) is included, particularly their fully charged breath. Alter's fully-charged breath was equal to Al Quintet, after all.
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I think we should put an estimate to how far the stars are from the world, like a low-ball conservative estimate would be like the closest asteroid belt? Like the ones from real life?
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Technically yeah, that is the closest it could be
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I’m fine with that estimate until further confirmation, but is it the sort of thing that can be applied for calcs if everyone agrees on it?
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[Re:Zero] Ability Revision
Good evening, this thread is mainly to add or change some abilities in the Re:Zero Profiles: Theresia Power Nullification (She can sever the very core of a magical spell disturbing its magical composition and causing it to collapse and vanish) Characters comparable or superior to undead...
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Capella turning into a JPEG lmaooooo[Re:Zero] Ability Revision
Good evening, this thread is mainly to add or change some abilities in the Re:Zero Profiles: Theresia Power Nullification (She can sever the very core of a magical spell disturbing its magical composition and causing it to collapse and vanish) Characters comparable or superior to undead...vsbattles.com
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No. It's just a baseless guess. Not even an estimate.
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I mean the stars have to come from somewhere, these guys arent summoning them but Dragging/pulling them down, they arent just yknow "ah... My pocket star" and they clearly are waaaay further than the moon
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An usable distance for stars can be calced.
They're visible from the sky while being at least mountain sized. So just take an anime, manga or LN panel that shows the stars from the sky and then use
This should work as a low ball imo.
(Or using the appearance of the light and it's size to find it or something? dunno :d .)
They're visible from the sky while being at least mountain sized. So just take an anime, manga or LN panel that shows the stars from the sky and then use
It'd be something like 1500 km or something ig? I'm not in a situation to check :d
This should work as a low ball imo.
(Or using the appearance of the light and it's size to find it or something? dunno :d .)
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You fear the calculations that may come from it
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Or just use the fact that Tappei purposefully chose to point out every difference of the stars compared to ours where there was one, so the fact that he didn’t point this one out means there’s likely just no difference
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The Stars are clearly further away, like way way way WAY WAY WAAAAAAAAAY further away than the moon
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From what I’m looking at you could use a KE calc and get Al Shario to planetary using relativistic KE, or if you use the real size of mountains and a small timeframe given how Al Shario is described it can get to 25c
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I don't see much to gain from this rn.
3000 * 1350/[1*2*tan(70deg/2)] = 2891999.71365 meters.
Then using timeframes like 10 second, you'd get 289199.971365 m/s
For mass, with volume of 14137166941.2 m^3 and 0.3 density = 4241150082.36 kg.
You get 1.7735774e+20 joule. Even if you change the timeframe or something, it doesn't affect the result much to make it an upgrade(for now).
3000 * 1350/[1*2*tan(70deg/2)] = 2891999.71365 meters.
Then using timeframes like 10 second, you'd get 289199.971365 m/s
For mass, with volume of 14137166941.2 m^3 and 0.3 density = 4241150082.36 kg.
You get 1.7735774e+20 joule. Even if you change the timeframe or something, it doesn't affect the result much to make it an upgrade(for now).
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Super lowball, I forgot the precise numbers but the speed of the stars movements was relativistic and the KE was planetary, so it should be an upgrade
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Destruction > KE in calcs. If it's shown to or described to not cause such destruction, it's meaningless.
And dunno how you got planetary here. I don't think i super lowballed or anything either.
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Re: Zero Natsuki Subaru's Suicide Pill
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Nowhere on the KE page does it ever say destruction of a similar scale should occur due to it, and I’m not sure why it would in the first place since it never hits the ground and the only instances we have of it hitting things is when it erases multiple dragons
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False
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When are we giving Lye his resistance to the Fiend, Dream and holy swords in general considering the 10 swords of power are holy swords
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Btw really thinking about it, if Re:Zero had the same antifeats DBS had, we would be way lower, but they get to ignore those antifeats for some reason
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That sort of example above would only work if we didn’t know in series that the range an attack has is not directly proportional to the amount of force/energy put into it, on top of the fact that Al Shario has never hit the ground
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That's wrong, and you're describing more than half the verses in the wiki(or say almost every). It's fine if you think of it that way, but that's not how it's applied in the wiki.
Al Shario has statements about the destruction it'd cause and has scaling from other attacks. It doesn't really have to land or anything for that.
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The statements it has are vague and give no confirmed range that we can get, whereas we can get a blatant range and AP value based off its KE, furthermore, all of the instances we see it used are from people who have very good reason not to destroy the earth, which already makes applying AP based on range dubious there
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That's not even an actual in-verse stated reasoning, and the statements of destruction aren't even vague like that.
They aren't even specifically manipulating Al Shario that way. They aren't controlling range or anything either. Al Shario just brings down the star, they don't control the energy of the star or it's range or anything
Dunno how you even got planetary KE, but it wouldn't apply.
Please just make a calc if you think that's not the case as it's just irrelevant otherwise.
Also:
Thanks. (i'm finally going home :d)
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Saying they can’t control the range of the star or the properties of the star is unfounded and there isn’t even any evidence of that so idk where you got that from, it’s sort of trivial that people like Al would be able to control it since he drops it right next to himself without the intention of dying
I’ll make a calc once all my other ones are checked
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Btw, sorry for closing the EE and speed thread, i barely had the time to make short replies. I'll reopen them after going home. (Maybe not the speed one as apparently @Celestial_Pegasus will do it? Gonna check that)
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You don't need to apologize, If you can't continue your own thread because of the vacation, closing to not get the thread cloged makes Sense.
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how people look at me when i tell them we can go for possibly/likely ratings for values that are controversial
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Check your cord and look at my sandbox alreadyhow people look at me when i tell them we can go for possibly/likely ratings for values that are controversial
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Maybe we should at least, AT THE BIGGEST LOW-BALL FOR AL SHARIO DISTANCE, that they are WAAAAAAAAAY further away than the moon.
In fact they seeem even further away
They look the same from earth, meaning that they are brighter or shine more than their size, so the asteroid belt distance makes sense to me, or atleast around 3x to 10x times the distance between earth and the moon, as the biggest low-ball distance between Al Shario stars and the ground, but it is probably far higher
In fact they seeem even further away
They look the same from earth, meaning that they are brighter or shine more than their size, so the asteroid belt distance makes sense to me, or atleast around 3x to 10x times the distance between earth and the moon, as the biggest low-ball distance between Al Shario stars and the ground, but it is probably far higher
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