Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

[MrTayman616]

Does your calc for Al Shario take into account the mass of Vollachia?

Explosion calc doesn't require mass, and it wouldn't really be good to use it based on the statements, radius, and unknown depth that wouldn't fit to explosion.

 

[Hercules1125]

Explosion calc doesn't require mass.

You would need a larger explosion to destroy something with more mass, and more energy, no? If you’re calculating the energy brought about by Al Shario to destroy Vollachia, then you would need to factor in mass I think

it wouldn't really be good to use it based on the statements, radius, and unknown depth that wouldn't fit to explosion.

the depth can be figured out based on the mass of Vollachia too

 

[Zabazab]

al shario thread

Do you refer to your calc? I don't agree with the premise that one Al Shario would destroy Vollachia.

Can anyone write the scaling chain here, with and without swords, base and not etc to make the thread easier to finish?

Reinhard scales above due to being Reinhard, everyone who scales to him naturally is the same.

Cecilus with his Enchanted Swords scales directly (slew one). Not sure how to compare his bare hands to his enchanted swordsmanship, it's like multiple one-shot gaps.

Clind directly scales since he shattered a star without injury, after releasing his second sealing shackle. Alter's physicals scale above that. Roswaal's Al Quartet and higher also scale as it matched Alter's breath which was said to one-shot Clind. Roswaal probably then sets a bunch of other chains in motion.

 

[MrTayman616]

Do you refer to your calc? I don't agree with the premise that one Al Shario would destroy Vollachia.

I also have heavy doubt about it based on other statements there. I was originally going to write them to OP then let staff decide. I'd like to hear yours here too, though. (I might just not make the thread at all based on it)

Reinhard scales above due to being Reinhard, everyone who scales to him naturally is the same.

Would his base really scale?

Cecilus with his Enchanted Swords scales directly (slew one). Not sure how to compare his bare hands to his enchanted swordsmanship, it's like multiple one-shot gaps.

His scaling would remain the same, changes with swords.

Clind directly scales since he shattered a star without injury, after releasing his second sealing shackle.

Didn't he use multiple attacks? or i remember it wrong ig.

Alter's physicals scale above that.

Didn't Alter fell after Reinhard threw Al Shario to him? He even tried to stop the star with his breath.

Roswaal's Al Quartet and higher also scale as it matched Alter's breath which was said to one-shot Clind.

Alter's breath is canonically below Al Shario, no?

You would need a larger explosion to destroy something with more mass, and more energy, no? If you’re calculating the energy brought about by Al Shario to destroy Vollachia, then you would need to factor in mass I think

These depends on the kind of destruction, which isn't supported here. Explosion calc suits the best here imo.

the depth can be figured out based on the mass of Vollachia too

Depth and radius together wouldn't fit.

 

[Zabazab]

I also have heavy doubt about it based on other statements there. I was originally going to write them to OP then let staff decide. I'd like to hear yours here too, though. (I might just not make the thread at all based on it)

Sphinx's first Al Shario was aiming to where Cecilus, Al, and Arakiya were. Her goal was Arakiya's death, and thus the destruction of Vollachia by way of Muspel ceasing to be.

Echidna's Al Shario and Alter's Al Shario(s) didn't destroy Lugunica.

Priscilla actually says in arc 8 chapter 70 that Sphinx would need numerous Sphinxes casting Al Shario to destroy Vollachia, which clued her in to the weakness of the clones sharing mana reserves.

あとはプリシラを絶望させるため、ヴォラキア帝国を滅ぼしてしまえばいい。そのためには無制限にスピンクスを作り出し、地上に流星群を落とせばいいのだ。

Would his base really scale?

Yeah. Clind is not hitting harder than Vague, let alone Reinhard.

Didn't he use multiple attacks?

Nah.

Didn't Alter fell after Reinhard threw Al Shario to him? He even tried to stop the star with his breath.

Reinhard kicked it at him, he triggered its explosion with his breath, and was left brutally injured. But that's the weakest Alter ever was, he got way stronger after downloading Al's 130k loops and fighting Wilhelm.

Alter's breath is canonically below Al Shario, no?

I said "breath", but technically he just used magic inside his own mouth to create an explosion, which Al Quartet was used to counter. When it was just his uncharged dragonbreath, Clind could slice through it bare-handed.

And while Al Shario is described as destruction beyond dragonbreath, it's hard to say if Volcanica (by extension, Alter) is included, particularly their fully charged breath. Alter's fully-charged breath was equal to Al Quintet, after all.

 

[UrongSygn1]

I think we should put an estimate to how far the stars are from the world, like a low-ball conservative estimate would be like the closest asteroid belt? Like the ones from real life?