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Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

This is just a hasty generalisation fallacy on your end, just because some things are different about the stars does not mean that all things about them are different, if Tappei goes out of his way to detail the differences, leaving one out whilst unstated would not fit the trend and is less expected under that hypothesis, so occams razor brutalises it.

We can apply this logic to everything in Re:Zero too and petition for all Re:Zero profiles and calcs should be thrown out of the window because everything is made of mana and we don't know if they operate like atoms do, but we don't because unless a difference is established, the real world is the baseline.
Real world is just usually the baseline unless there are no reasons to assume otherwise.

It's been confirmed several times from several characters that stars are huge masses of mana and that at least as big as mountains, with consistent Al Shario feats. Unless it's confirmed that there are stars like the ones in our world, we can't assume such stuff.

Even if they were, characters aren't really interacting with such stuff to begin with. It'd be useless regardless :d
 
Anyways enough Al Shario bs scaling (since we only know some info (size, what they are made of) and all the other things about stars in rezero is Vague as hell), what if we talk about the fact that the Observers might be one of the coolest things ever? Like i love the concept of the Observers in general
 
Working on Subaru is just making me wish I was working on Beako instead. I hope next phase Russell gives him the Levi-Eren courtroom treatment.

Like i love the concept of the Observers in general
It's part of why Stride is peak fiction
There shouldn’t be any need for any more unnecessary words, no? But, this is likewise the same. The Sword Saint, the Divine Dragon, the Kingdom, the Empire, Blessings and Curses; the value and notion of all of these things are entwined with the aims of the Observers in the heavens above. Therefore, my venerable self shan’t raise any objections there. I shall prove that no piece on the board cannot be wounded; that the board can be broken.
 
Physics works as a hierarchy. Some stuff can be dismissed, but others can't or else we're operating off something the verse hasn't established. If the star is made different then its different. You have to prove it still behaves normally, not argue that everything's mana so now nothing operates similar to our world, that's just childish. A star being made out of mana is a clear difference that maybe it's elemental interactions and mass are different.
This immediately falls into an issue of arbitrariness, on what metric are you determining which laws of physics do you choose to hold to and which ones to dismiss? Because the basis that Zab literally just used about them differing in composition can be applied to all of Re:Zero, and if there is no principled distinction made then it's just special pleading.

Nobody disagreed that the stars in Re:Zero are not different from our real world, that wasn't the argument and it seem slike you're falling into an immediate strawman, the argument was simple: Most times a difference X occurs pertaining to stars, a statmeent Y is made highlighting the difference, given that, there is an inductive case in favour of the fact that if there was a difference in a specific property, it would be highlighted.

Furthermore, I never, again, never argued that everything should be assumed to be different, the point was that this burden of "made different therefore you must prove it to be the same" can function the exact same in Re:Zero, you can ask all of the same questions you are asking about the stars in this scenario about most other things, but you don't because that isn't the standard being worked under.
 
Also about the four prophecized Calamities "The Great Disaster" (Vollachia, arc 8), what are yall's thoughts on the other three? "The Witch of The Kingdom", "The Night Weeping" and "The Collapse"? Those were the names if i remember correctly? Like i think "the witch of the Kingdom" might be this arc or next tbh
 
The real world doesn't get to be the baseline for things that specifically and explicitly do not behave like or have anything in common with their real-world "equivalent" beyond a name. You invoke occams razor, but you're really just using a nominal fallacy.

This is confusion; a nominal fallacy would be to say that I am inferring, based on the name, the nature of the thing, which is not what I'm doing, and if you read my earlier reply, you would understand that. Furthermore, saying they do not behave like or have anything in common with the real world equivalent is an obvious confusion, stars in Re:Zero still hang in the sky like normal stars do, they still require a consistent supply and large supply of energy to remain existent, the extents for some of these properties just differ, this statement of "anything in common" literally is just lost.

And I do not think the world (specifically matter) is made of mana. It all contains mana, mana also behaves as sort of this universal energy that is 1:1 with the real world concept of heat energy. An object's temperature falls as it loses mana, eventually reaching absolute zero where it crumbles to dust.

Cool, let's go with that and ignore that it's stated otherwise, everything containing matter analytically proves that it has different composition, you saying that it "behaves like," it does in the real world is just a claim on your end that you would never be able to prove because the constants of the world, the fine tuning of it are never described.
 
This immediately falls into an issue of arbitrariness, on what metric are you determining which laws of physics do you choose to hold to and which ones to dismiss? Because the basis that Zab literally just used about them differing in composition can be applied to all of Re:Zero, and if there is no principled distinction made then it's just special pleading.

Nobody disagreed that the stars in Re:Zero are not different from our real world, that wasn't the argument and it seem slike you're falling into an immediate strawman, the argument was simple: Most times a difference X occurs pertaining to stars, a statmeent Y is made highlighting the difference, given that, there is an inductive case in favour of the fact that if there was a difference in a specific property, it would be highlighted.

Furthermore, I never, again, never argued that everything should be assumed to be different, the point was that this burden of "made different therefore you must prove it to be the same" can function the exact same in Re:Zero, you can ask all of the same questions you are asking about the stars in this scenario about most other things, but you don't because that isn't the standard being worked under.
Give an example that's similar to the stars being made of mana and being mountain sized.
 
Real world is just usually the baseline unless there are no reasons to assume otherwise.

It's been confirmed several times from several characters that stars are huge masses of mana and that at least as big as mountains, with consistent Al Shario feats. Unless it's confirmed that there are stars like the ones in our world, we can't assume such stuff.

And I'd even argue that, there are reasons given the inductive case that I just laid out to you in the message, there are reasons against assuming a difference, as it is not expected by the general trend :p Aside from that, again you just noted a difference in composition, which doesn't particularly interact with the argument.

Even if they were, characters aren't really interacting with such stuff to begin with. It'd be useless regardless :d
That's certainly a claim yeah
 
Give an example that's similar to the stars being made of mana and being mountain sized.
Similar meaning, what there? As I pointed out at the start of my reply, there is an issue of arbitrariness, I'm not going to engage in conversation if we do not have a firm principle defined and agreed on deciding what determines similarity, alongside the rest of my message.
 
Similar meaning, what there? As I pointed out at the start of my reply, there is an issue of arbitrariness, I'm not going to engage in conversation if we do not have a firm principle defined and agreed on deciding what determines similarity, alongside the rest of my message.
We go off the normal assumption that physics is like ours unless shown to be different in a way that would break the physics of certain aspects. Might be slightly off, but we generally don't assume stuff to be the same if it doesn't follow steps in physics. Doesn't gotta be blatantly stated. If you can't understand it then maybe your point doesn't have much to go off ngl. If star made of mana, then mass different. If star size of mountain then mass and formation different.
 
We go off the normal assumption that physics is like ours unless shown to be different in a way that would otherwise break the physics of certain aspects. Might be slightly off, but we generally don't assume stuff to be the same if it doesn't follow steps in physics. Doesn't gotta be blatantly stated. If you can't understand it then maybe your point doesn't have much to go off ngl. If star made of mana, then mass different. If star size of mountain then mass and formation different.
If the first part of what you said was true, we would assume E=MC2, and then we wouldn't need to be having discussions on whether Reinhard is planetary or not, since he bent space; so clearly it can't just be that. If it is, the line is drawn in the sand that nobody else can see. But furthermore, your claim relies on an assumption which you can't prove: why would anyone ever assume that the amount of mana concentrated to the size of a mountain has different mass than an actual star?

Also, you have still yet to address the general trend which I was just pointing out to you so I'll put it in analogy form:

  • John drops an apple on Monday; his parents scold him for it
  • John drops an apple on Tuesday; his parents scold him for it
  • John drops an apple on Wednesday, his parents scold him for it
This trend continues for a month, then one day:
  • John drops something, and his parents do not scold him
Which is more probable: A - He did not drop an apple, or B - His parents suddenly had a random change of heart, the answer is A because it aligns with the general trend and is expected under the general trend, now to link it with Tappei's case
  • Stars in Re:Zero are different in size (at a baseline) than the real world - Tappei says so
  • Stars in Re:Zero are different in composition than the real world - Tappei says so
  • Stars in Re:Zero are different in arrangement than the real world - Tappei says so
What is more probable: A - Stars are different in distance, but Tappei never said that because he forgot, or B - They just aren't different in terms of distance (which also appears to be true for apparent luminosity.)
 
I think we should stop arguing about stars in rezero until we get more info and lore on them tbh (i think Hercule's Speed calcs for olbart are interesting tho, im not really versed in Calculating speed so idk, they just seem interesting to me)
 
I think we should stop arguing about stars in rezero until we get more info and lore on them tbh (i think Hercule's Speed calcs for olbart are interesting tho, im not really versed in Calculating speed so idk, it just seems interesting)
Yeah I'll probably stop here, apparently WCT is compiling questions to ask Tappei, so someone should ask about that
 
Also about the four prophecized Calamities "The Great Disaster" (Vollachia, arc 8), what are yall's thoughts on the other three? "The Witch of The Kingdom", "The Night Keeping" and "The Collapse"? Those were the names if i remember correctly? Like i think "the witch of the Kingdom" might be this arc or next tbh
“A traveler, with dark hair, and dark eyes… Kill them"
This was the command given years ago by the Observers to stop The Great Disaster. To kill the traveler that would appear in the forest, which Taritta was sure it was Subaru the moment she met her.

It's seemingly actually refers to Subaru, but what was even the point? Observers are not aware of RBD? Or the point was to make Subaru abuse it so that he won't let such things happen, unlike Al who saved Subaru and not let Bloodless siege happen for example. The future trial can show Subaru's deaths and his deaths are still recorded in the library, so fate itself very likely includes even his future deaths. So maybe that's one way to look at it.

Stride claims that Satella is a threat to the Observers, so maybe the point of killing Subaru is that he's also seen as a threat? But those who are compatible are supposedy recognized by Od Lagna, so that'd mean Observers are unrelated to it?

I wonder if the other disasters has anything to do with a traveler that has dark hair and eyes.
 
If the first part of what you said was true, we would assume E=MC2, and then we wouldn't need to be having discussions on whether Reinhard is planetary or not, since he bent space; so clearly it can't just be that. If it is, the line is drawn in the sand that nobody else can see. But furthermore, your claim relies on an assumption which you can't prove: why would anyone ever assume that the amount of mana concentrated to the size of a mountain has different mass than an actual star?
I don't think the feat would be valid to use e=mc2 since it could inflate the scaling of otherwise not shown feats. Since the characters don't interact with them, I don't see the point in calcing. But you could calc it ig.

What is more probable: A - Stars are different in distance, but Tappei never said that because he forgot, or B - They just aren't different in terms of distance (which also appears to be true for apparent luminosity.)
Nice analogy but it doesn't matter. Stars have to follow stages to be made. So if the stars in Rezero are mountain sized then that breaks how they are formed and would logically lose authenticity for calcing them.
 
"The Witch of The Kingdom", "The Night Weeping" and "The Collapse"?
There are more candidates for the Witch(es?) of the Kingdom than you'd expect. Emilia, Satella, Omega, and arguably Capella on account of the looseness in Authority wielder titles.

The Night Weeping of the City-States I have no idea. Maybe it's what they're dealing with in Kararagi Shinigami Incident as we speak!

I think the Collapse of the Holy Kingdom has gotta refer to the church. Probably due to Odglass's death? The only individual with motive and ability for killing the Great Spirit of Water is Vague Adgard, though, and he's allegedly staying out of the main story.
 
I don't think the feat would be valid to use e=mc2 since it could inflate the scaling of otherwise not shown feats. Since the characters don't interact with them, I don't see the point in calcing. But you could calc it ig.

Which characters don't interact with what specifically here? That's vague

Nice analogy but it doesn't matter. Stars have to follow stages to be made. So if the stars in Rezero are mountain sized then that breaks how they are formed and would logically lose authenticity for calcing them.

Again this just begs the question, I mean if that's all your response is then there isn't really anything else to say, because you don't have an argument or any evidence to present contradicting the inductive case
 
There are more candidates for the Witch(es?) of the Kingdom than you'd expect. Emilia, Satella, Omega, and arguably Capella on account of the looseness in Authority wielder titles.

The Night Weeping of the City-States I have no idea. Maybe it's what they're dealing with in Kararagi Shinigami Incident as we speak!

I think the Collapse of the Holy Kingdom has gotta refer to the church. Probably due to Odglass's death? The only individual with motive and ability for killing the Great Spirit of Water is Vague Adgard, though, and he's allegedly staying out of the main story.
Imagine we get a Vague jumpscare in arc 12 😭 Vague vs Pandora, battle of frauds
 
Which characters don't interact with what specifically here? That's vague
I'm just going off what Mrtayman said. Do characters interact with the stars? Why are you acting like "interact" is vague when we're talking about scaling and calcing lmao, I'm clearly going by a way in which they'd scale.

Again this just begs the question, I mean if that's all your response is then there isn't really anything else to say, because you don't have an argument or any evidence to present contradicting the inductive case
How is me telling you that the stars needs to be like real world stars not a response?
 
Also Reinhard just gold folded by Kratos in that Vs thread 💔, we desperatly need a Reinhard upscale that isnt Garf cloud feats for the 999th time fr, hope Tappei gives us something
 
I'm just going off what Mrtayman said. Do characters interact with the stars? Why are you acting like "interact" is vague when we're talking about scaling and calcing lmao, I'm clearly going by a way in which they'd scale.

Ngl, his message didn't show up on my screen, and only people who already have established NPI like Reinhard and Cecilus interact with it, as well as Clind who uses magic, so as far as I'm concerned there isn't really anything contradicting it.

How is me telling you that the stars needs to be like real world stars not a response?

Because it doesn't address the inductive case which is laid out which sways priors heavily against your view.
 
This was the command given years ago by the Observers to stop The Great Disaster. To kill the traveler that would appear in the forest, which Taritta was sure it was Subaru the moment she met her.
I don't think it was necessarily Subaru. There were three "travelers with dark hair and eyes" it could be: Vincent, Subaru, and Aldebaran. They're called an ally of the Great Disaster, and killing them is supposed to stop it.

But, the other Stargazers' prophecy was to bring about the Great Disaster through the death of the Emperor Vincent Vollachia, and then minimize its destruction through the two lights of Spica and Groovy.

So either Mariuli (by extension Taritta) was lied to by the stars, or there are different "factions" of Observers who desire different things. I also doubt RbD is anticipated with the stars' prophecies, since RbD is overturning O Inevitable Fate. I consider Od Lagna's ability to record it as unrelated to it hypothetically forseeing its alterations to the future.
 
Even if Reinhard were millions of times above in terms of AP, that wouldn't be useful in that thread, no?
No, still Country level Reinhard makes me laugh so hard, cuz you look at the stats, and he looks like fodder, you look at the abilities, and he looks like a myth, like shit is frying me
 
Even if Reinhard were millions of times above in terms of AP, that wouldn't be useful in that thread, no?
Also Reinhard just gold folded by Kratos in that Vs thread 💔, we desperatly need a Reinhard upscale that isnt Garf cloud feats for the 999th time fr, hope Tappei gives us something
yeah his win was because of thought based hax, which is what Reinhard is currently lacking in. If he didnt nerf himself purposefully things would have been better (not necessarily in that thread though because kratos resists that too, although not sure if law hax would bypass it)
 
yeah his win was because of thought based hax, which is what Reinhard is currently lacking in. If he didnt nerf himself purposefully things would have been better (not necessarily in that thread though because kratos resists that too, although not sure if law hax would bypass it)
Maybe one day... Big Lagna will give Reinhard "the divine protection of winning" we can only dream 💔
 
Ngl, his message didn't show up on my screen, and only people who already have established NPI like Reinhard and Cecilus interact with it, as well as Clind who uses magic, so as far as I'm concerned there isn't really anything contradicting it.
I'm asking how they interacted with it.

Because it doesn't address the inductive case which is laid out which sways priors heavily against your view.
I don't see how if it doesn't respond to the star being too tiny to be treated like a regular star. Maybe you're not arguing to treat it like a regular star, in which case, I don't think there's much of a disagreement.

No, still Country level Reinhard makes me laugh so hard, cuz you look at the stats, and he looks like fodder, you look at the abilities, and he looks like a myth, like shit is frying me
That's how tons of verses are cuz they don't focus too much on destruction.
 
Country level Reinhard
There's like two other country level feats yk. Reinhard making the moon crater and Al Quintet's explosion being able to make a second Agzadd Canyon. Alter's dragonbreath to kill Otto was like island level.
 
I'm asking how they interacted with it.

Cecilus cuts it with his concept cutting sword, Reinhard gains a divine protection to interact with it like a tangible object, clind did some lightning magic shit off screen

I don't see how if it doesn't respond to the star being too tiny to be treated like a regular star. Maybe you're not arguing to treat it like a regular star, in which case, I don't think there's much of a disagreement.

The fact that you know the star is tiny helps my point, but also, all I'm literally saying is just that you can grant its different in the things which are stated to be different, but there's no reason in absence of a statement to assume it's closer than our stars, when no character in the series hints at that to be true
 
Oh Cecilus cut one, there's an illustration. Reinhard caught one with a divine protection. Clind doesn't use magic he just punched one.
The divine protection of ball-balancing is the funniest shit ever, like imagine someone from JJK pops a domain, reinhard grabs it, because they are ball shaped on the outside, then throws it at another guy
 
Oh Cecilus cut one, there's an illustration. Reinhard caught one with a divine protection. Clind doesn't use magic he just punched one.
There's no quote indicating that he punched it, and it shouldn't matter anyway considering Clind can copy the properties of the halo and scales
 
I Lowkey sometimes use CSAP's Reinhard to write my own personal crossover fanfics, its just fun to play around tbh, also The guys in CSAP are Lowkey insane in a funny way, like i love them so much 💯
Nobody will ever convince me Reinhard is anything lower than solar :)
 
Oh Cecilus cut one, there's an illustration. Reinhard caught one with a divine protection. Clind doesn't use magic he just punched one.
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This? Is it described what happened after? Catching ones pretty cool since its mana doesn't seem like anything. Does mana have any known mass? I read someone made the star Cecilus cut, but they say its ying magic or that someone just summoned the star?
 
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