Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

[UrongSygn1]

Imma be fr i hate YouTube powerscalers so much, like they only care about the tier and raw stats, and not the abilities , like "Planet Level fodder" okay son, can your "Giga-super-duper-versal" whatever guy tank a pebble from Regulus? Like YouTube guys only care about the tier and stats, and not about the abilities, resistances, and interactions, which are like... The important part of the fight most of the time

 

[Hercules1125]

This? Is it described what happened after? Catching ones pretty cool since its mana doesn't seem like anything. Does mana have any known mass? I read someone made the star Cecilus cut, but they say its ying magic or that someone just summoned the star?

Mana does indeed have mass, just look at Beako, and it's also stated that mana has a gravitational pull too, which is the basis for Al Shario and Emilia's ice soldiers. Also yeah, but it's uncertain how much Otsuka should be trusted considering he's...he's Otsuka (you know what I mean)

And Sphinx doesn't make the star, she pulls it from beyond the sky. I think that even if we want to say the stars are different from ours and potentially closer, the asteroid belt is the closest estimate you can give them, which still comes out at MFTL

 

[Arkenis]

Cecilus cuts it with his concept cutting sword, Reinhard gains a divine protection to interact with it like a tangible object, clind did some lightning magic shit off screen



The fact that you know the star is tiny helps my point, but also, all I'm literally saying is just that you can grant its different in the things which are stated to be different, but there's no reason in absence of a statement to assume it's closer than our stars, when no character in the series hints at that to be true

Ah I see. Then this just doesn't matter for Ap for Cecilus no? Concept dura neg bs kinda makes that moot.

I think you're misunderstanding why I keep bringing up the size. Stars have to be a certain size to even form and sustain themselves. So the fact they are mountain size tells us they are nothing like regular real world stars.

 

[Zabazab]

This? Is it described what happened after? Catching ones pretty cool since its mana doesn't seem like anything. Does mana have any known mass? I read someone made the star Cecilus cut, but they say its ying magic or that someone just summoned the star?

This is the spell

――Al Shario.

This spell, regarded as a specialty of a Witch of yore, was one accepted to be a forbidden technique.

Shining down from beyond the sky, stars were perpetually burning masses of Mana, and by utilizing the property of attraction between Mana of the same type, the unbelievable marvel of casting one to the earth could be realised.

But naturally, to bring a star down upon a precise location required both delicate control over magic and an unfathomable quantity of Mana. In exchange for the difficulty of realizing such a technique, the Mana contained in the star’s light could rival that held by a Great Spirit, and was even extolled to have once felled a weyr of Dragons.

In terms of destructive power, it easily surpassed even the ruinous breath of Dragons, beings bestowed with the right to tear the world asunder with just their roar, and so it could therefore be proclaimed to be the pinnacle of destructive acts.

???: [Magic, it is a miraculous discipline with the hidden potential to make anything one imagines into reality, were you unaware? The creation of a spell so powerful that it would cause one to scoff at something like a Dragon’s breath was inevitable once you consider the existence of those who wished to surpass it… Eventually, a spell even more powerful than the magic capable of plunging a star will be born. Is it not wonderful, that humans truly possess such Greed?]

Such had once been stated to Aldebaran by a Witch with beautiful white hair, a smug expression drawn upon her face.

It was still irritating to remember her smug face from back then, but he did believe that it was no lie or bluff. After all, that smug-faced Witch had personally shown him the real thing.

In other words, this, which surpassed even the breath of a Dragon, stood as the zenith―― or rather, stood as the zenith of destruction at this point in history. —Arc 9, Chapter 14, "The Strongest"

 

[Hercules1125]

Ah I see. Then this just doesn't matter for Ap for Cecilus no? Concept dura neg bs kinda makes that moot.

Yeah I use it for his speed rather than AP

I think you're misunderstanding why I keep bringing up the size. Stars have to be a certain size to even form and sustain themselves. So the fact they are mountain size tells us they are nothing like regular real world stars.

Stars need a set mass, the actual size of the mountain doesn't mean much if the mass is just far higher than its size

 

[UrongSygn1]

Yeah I use it for his speed rather than AP



Stars need a set mass, the actual size of the mountain doesn't mean much if the mass is just far higher than its size

Talking about Cecilus's speed, his processing speed is Insane he has a whole ass fight with himself, a chat, mulls over his feelings and has whole ass convos with himself, a mental clone, then he fights with it to decide who comes back to his body, all while he Dodges, all of this happens in "an instant in Reality" which is the funniest thing ever, dude Weaponizes and trains with his schizophrenia

 

[MrTayman616]

I don't think it was necessarily Subaru. There were three "travelers with dark hair and eyes" it could be: Vincent, Subaru, and Aldebaran. They're called an ally of the Great Disaster, and killing them is supposed to stop it.

But, the other Stargazers' prophecy was to bring about the Great Disaster through the death of the Emperor Vincent Vollachia, and then minimize its destruction through the two lights of Spica and Groovy.

So either Mariuli (by extension Taritta) was lied to by the stars, or there are different "factions" of Observers who desire different things. I also doubt RbD is anticipated with the stars' prophecies, since RbD is overturning O Inevitable Fate. I consider Od Lagna's ability to record it as unrelated to it hypothetically forseeing its alterations to the future.

I guess different viewers would have different tastes, so it makes sense that not every observer has the same intention ig?

But then what decides "Those loved by fate makes the correct decision"?

I Lowkey sometimes use CSAP's Reinhard to write my own personal crossover fanfics, its just fun to play around tbh, also The guys in CSAP are Lowkey insane in a funny way, like i love them so much

LMAO

 

[Crimsonobu]

Anyway ■■■■■ solos. Thank you for the Ted talk.

 

[Hercules1125]

Anyway ■■■■■ solos. Thank you for the Ted talk.

Gets slammed by ■■■

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah I use it for his speed rather than AP

But why? We see the star summoned to him and it seems really close, aren't they already ftl.

Stars need a set mass, the actual size of the mountain doesn't mean much if the mass is just far higher than its size

That would need to be proven. And I'm pretty sure if they were the mass of our star, they'd turn into a black hole.

 

[UrongSygn1]

But why? We see the star summoned to him and it seems really close, aren't they already ftl.


That would need to be proven. And I'm pretty sure if they were the mass of our star, they'd turn into a black hole.

Talking about Black Holes, we have two Black Holes in rezero: [Ul Shamak] and [Al Karum], we know that [Al Karum] is a real black hole, because: It has a singularity, and it warps space itself, It is the textbook definition of a Black Hole , but [Ul Shamak] is kinda weird, since We didnt even get a description before Reid cut it

 

[Hercules1125]

But why? We see the star summoned to him and it seems really close, aren't they already ftl.

The star isn't like teleported to him, it's just described that the gravitational pull just plucks them from the sky down to earth, and if it's at the same distance as a real star (assuming what I said earlier was correct), that would get you values millions of times into FTL for Cecilus to be capable of splitting it down the middle before it hits him

That would need to be proven. And I'm pretty sure if they were the mass of our star, they'd turn into a black hole.

I'd need to research that, but it's a good talk though, you should check out some of the calc's I've done for Re:Zero and give your feedback if possible

 

[MrTayman616]

but [Ul Shamak] is kinda weird, since We didnt even get a description before Reid cut it

It's not an actual black hole.

 

[UrongSygn1]

It's not an actual black hole.

Yeah, Ul Shamak is weird(its most likely a BFR with a suck mechanic?), the only real Black Hole so far in rezero has been Al Karum

 

[Arkenis]

I'd need to research that, but it's a good talk though, you should check out some of the calc's I've done for Re:Zero and give your feedback if possible

The ones about bending space? I think I already did lmao

 

[Zabazab]

Concept dura neg bs kinda makes that moot.

He didn't use his concept-cutting sword (Fiend Sword Murasame), but his other sword (Dream Sword Masayume). Cecilus's AP with his enchanted swords would scale to Al Shario.

Witch: [――Al Shario.]

The meaning behind the incantation, indicated that the radiance of that star was something brought about by the Witch’s hand.

Before the sensational truth that an incredible magician was capable of making a star fall, the Dream Sword resting upon Cecilus’s waist pulsated in excitement.

It was responding. Yearning to devour the “dream” surging within its owner, Masayume was doing so.

Cecilus: [――How truly enthralling.]

The downpour of light, spoke thus. Slay the star.

The beloved blade mounted on his waist, spoke thus. Slay the star.

The many members of the audience standing in unison, spoke thus. Slay the star.

The soul of Cecilus Segmunt, spoke thus. Slay the star. —Arc 8, Chapter 65, "Starfall Upon the Imperial Capital"

――Lightning, had cut through starlight.

There was no other appropriate expression to describe what had come to pass.

Only, the moment in which he bore witness to the events unfolding before him, the only question he had to ponder was whether or not he could believe that what he had seen was actually real.

However――,

Al: [No matter how ******* absurd it may be…!]

Cecilus Segmunt had slayed the star. —Arc 8, Chapter 65, "Starfall Upon the Imperial Capital"

That Al Shario could not be defended against, he would not take such an optimistic viewpoint.

In fact, the Blue Lightning, who was considered to be on par with the Sword Saint, had achieved a feat of supremacy unbounded by slaying a falling star with a single slice of his katana during the decisive battle for the Imperial Capital.

That star had been cut down through the combined effect of Cecilus’s swordsmanship and the Dream Sword’s power; he did not think that Reinhard, unable to draw the Dragon Sword as he was, could replicate such a feat.

But, even if it was grounds for being careless, that was no reason to underestimate him. —Arc 9, Chapter 14, "The Strongest"

 

[Hercules1125]

Yeah, Ul Shamak is weird(its most likely a BFR with a suck mechanic?), the only real Black Hole so far in rezero has been Al Karum

We're gonna need to wait for the anime for that one ngl, since if it has the energy to bend space and it's also pulling people towards it then for all intents and purposes it should be a black hole in the relevant sense that people care about (the gravitational pull etc.) But it is described like it's going to send him away somewhere, or blow him away, so idk if they were leaning into the theory that black holes upon being absorbed teleport people or no

 

[Hercules1125]

The ones about bending space? I think I already did lmao

Can you comment under it what you thought, and not just that one, I've done like 20+ since then

 

[Arkenis]

He didn't use his concept-cutting sword (Fiend Sword Murasame), but his other sword (Dream Sword Murasame). Cecilus's AP with his enchanted swords would scale to Al Shario.

Why's it called a Dream Sword

Can you comment under it what you thought, and not just that one, I've done like 20+ since then

link

 

[UrongSygn1]

Why's it called a Dream Sword

Cuz it its dreams in exchange of turning them into Reality (the mechanic is raw as hell btw)

 

[Hercules1125]

Why's it called a Dream Sword

Limited wish-granting, iirc and the ability to sever things beyond the logic of the world

link

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Hercules1125

 

[Zabazab]

Tbh ■■■ is pretty busted, Compression just has so few limitations beyond the sacrifice system. I can't think of any rz character who would defeat her without outright exhausting all of her possible sacrifices.

Why's it called a Dream Sword

It devours the dreams of its wielder in order to gain the power to make their dreams come true.

The Fiend Sword Murasame was an Enchanted Sword that could sever the concept of anything’s “point”.

In contrast, using dreams as its scabbard, the true value of the Dream Sword Masayume was――,

Cecilus: [――To devour dreams, and to grant dreams.]

In exchange for the motivation one possessed for a wish they desired to be granted, the Enchanted Sword would harbor the power to grant that wish.

Hence, the Dream Sword had been granted the name of “A Dream Come True”, making dreams become reality. Even if it were to become a useless, dull blade depending on the wielder, it had continued to be extolled as an Enchanted Sword capable of severing the very world in twain. [TL Note 1]

The blade had spent many months and years being transferred from person to person, since as compensation for their wish being fulfilled, they would forget even the reason why they had yearned for it in the first place. Its owner having changed many a times, now, the Dream Sword had settled into Cecilus’s hand.

For both Cecilus and the Dream Sword, this was a miraculous happenstance.

That was because――,

Cecilus: [There’s no way that my dreams and motivation are ever going to run out!]

That was the reason why Cecilus Segmunt was the master of the Dream Sword.

An extraordinary yearning towards the dreams one harbored would allow the potential of the Dream Sword Masayume to be displayed to the maximum degree. —Arc 8, Chapter 64, "Parent and Child of the Empire"

 

[MrTayman616]

but his other sword (Dream Sword Murasame). Cecilus's AP with his enchanted swords would scale to Al Shario.

Its inscription called out, the pattern on the blade of the Enchanted Sword shook like a rippling wave. It was a blade belonging to Cecilus Segmunt which possessed incredible power, the Dream Sword Masayume.

Much to the lament of Rowan, who was unaware of its whereabouts, it was a supernatural sword permitted to cut things beyond the logic of this world, in a similar manner to the Fiend Sword Murasame.

It's said to cut things in a similar manner to Fiend Sword though.

 

[Hercules1125]

It's said to cut things in a similar manner to Fiend Sword though.

What I said too, extremely hyper rare tayman W

 

[UrongSygn1]

It's said to cut things in a similar manner to Fiend Sword though.

This man dual wielding Concept Cutters im crine, we have Reid at home.
Reid at home:

 

[Hercules1125]

This man dual wielding Concept Cutters im crine, we have Reid at home.
Reid at home:

No but what can Reid do with the heavenly sword that Cecilus can't do with the dream and fiend sword?

 

[MrTayman616]

No but what can Reid do with the heavenly sword that Cecilus can't do with the dream and fiend sword?

Dreams come true.

 

[Zabazab]

It's said to cut things in a similar manner to Fiend Sword though.

The way in which things are cut is not similar, it's the things they can cut being beyond logic that is similar. The first thing Masayume does is exorcize the Stone in Arakiya, thereby fusing the two, by "cutting" her. How did it do that

 

[UrongSygn1]

Dreams come true.

Literal weaponized schizophrenia (wait... CECILUS WOULD FIT RIGHT IN IN BAKI LMAOOOOO)

 

[Zabazab]

No but what can Reid do with the heavenly sword that Cecilus can't do with the dream and fiend sword?

Kill the Flamboyant

 

[UrongSygn1]

Kill the Flamboyant

Reid is Lowkey Metaphysical chuck norris with a twig tbh

 

[Huesito88]

Reid is Lowkey Metaphysical chuck norris with a twig tbh

Reid's more like "magical" Yujiro

 

[MrTayman616]

extremely hyper rare tayman W

?
:d

 

[UrongSygn1]

Reid's more like "magical" Yujiro

Yujiro on crack

 

[Huesito88]

Yujiro on crack

Well yeah.

 

[UrongSygn1]

Otto Scales to tier 0 because he transcends something all the other tier 1s and tier 0s havent Transcended yet: Unemployement
Like if this is fax
Transcending dimensions and infinite Multiverses aint paying your rent
Also the Green hat has hella aura

 

[Zabazab]

Otto revamp and genius rating some day. But bother @Crimsonobu about it not me

 

[Crimsonobu]

Otto revamp and genius rating some day. But bother @Crimsonobu about it not me

Why is it that when I'm tagged I don't actually get tagged, do I change that in the settings?

 

[Arkenis]

Why is it that when I'm tagged I don't actually get tagged, do I change that in the settings?

Regular people can't actually ping, only mods

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Why is it that when I'm tagged I don't actually get tagged, do I change that in the settings?

when you make the profile, make sure the name is ■■■ for that key lmao