bruh, i'm being quoted far too much here
well then, let's get it ig
What I'm talking about is something generally applied in matches with equal speed, its not just some random thing I made up.
and i said i don't care, give me proper reasons why it's wrong lol
Before I do anything, what exactly are you referring to that Yoriichi does where people are motionless?
like idk, the flowing dance?
see the video i sent above above
true
Plus, when Akaza used his kick he wasn't full casual anymore, Akaza was angry
and still holding back
once again, excuse the bad language, also replaced the links here, so they should hopefully work
this just demonstrates a complete lack of reading comprehension as tanjiro visibly struggles to deal with akaza's casual unamped attacks, got blitzed and would have died if it wasn't for giyu saving him, it's evident that when Akaza spends even a little more effort, he can strike faster than Tanjiro can use Fake Rainbow, despite this, at the same speed, giyu is still fast enough to appear and slash through the arm without a Mark.
from the previous showing for example(1 2 ) akaza was immensely holding back his speed when tanjiro was the one fighting him, and even then in terms of techniques he got his sword caugh when giyu even when unmarked managed to hold on for far longer
the only reason he didn't instantly die is because giyu is the one who is fighting akaza and akaza likes enjoying fights and not ending them instantly, and of course, none of this is Akaza trying at anywhere near his full speed at all, After giyu's mark appears, akaza isn't suddenly blitzed by giyu's spike in speed, but matches his speed instantly
https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Kimetsu-No-Yaiba/0149-005.png
So...
Normal Tanjiro > Akaza's blood technique (casual and angry) > Tanjiro's sun breath style = Akaza's blood technique (casual) > oneshot value > Normal Tanjiro
no, just akaza, hell, even unmarked giyu is significantly superior to even sun breath enhanced tanjiro, akaza was always holding back, as can ben seen from the above scenarios, tanjiro would have died 100 times if he wasn't and if giyu wasn't there to save him
tanjiro did become stronger than both after unlocking the STW tho
You mean this scene? Akaza here was EXTRA casual. He didn't know that Tanjiro had became stronger since Rengoku's death and only realized it when Tanjiro blized him twice. Not even Giyuu knew about that strenght
...i mean yes?
and even then tanjiro was still struggling to keep up to the point he could barely execute his techniques and moves in time, like have you not seen this where he was almost hit or the part where he was sweating bullets and panting?
tanjiro's base speed isn't that fast, if it was he wouldn't have had any trouble to begin with, with the amps he could move meters in the time where an attack he couldn't even keep up with or dodge moves several cms,
https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Kimetsu-No-Yaiba/0147-019.png
What. And he didn't even used any breath style here
guess you didn't see this part where tanjiro was struggling to hell and over to slash the arm, that was not casual in the slightest lol
IIrc I think Akaza is the only demon that hasn't shown an extra durable neck lmao
EDIT:
My mistake. But when Akaza lost his head Tanjiro
was beyond his limit due
to the transparent world, so its not just due to the breath style. I mean, I think I have shown you that Akaza fought numerous times against the sun breath style without problem even when holding back
...i mean yeah, you did, i just don't know how that implies the amps aren't as good as i told you they are
Headcanon? Uh? "Implied"? Not veridic? Mh? Is that right sir?
as much of a headcanon as saying the mark appearing and tanjiro slashing trough gyutaro's neck when it did implied the mark made him stronger, this is literally basic ahh deductions, if he wasn't durable enough to perform attacks of those magnitudes he'd die trying, the whole AP scales to durability shenannigans
Thats a oxygen problem, not durability related
that's not season 1, i meant the rui fight, check it out
The difference being is that one is, well, a rock, I doubt it has much intelligence in the first place, and the other is Doom duplicating himself via his mirage magic, where he created these clones by shattering mirrors they are perfect copies of himself, and as such retain his power an mind. Thus, they are just as real as him.
as real as me can still just mean they're real and not fake, it says nothing of their intelligence, well, LOK did say they were implied to be thinking on some chapter so all i want is the chap where that happened and i can conscede
If you're going to rip your hair out over something as little as this, I think you have other problems to worry about
oh trust me, you would only know how annoying it is when you experience something similar, tho idk if tyou would
I'm saying that it's dumb to use such an argument when really, authors have their characters react to stuff without getting into nitty gritty details like that. If you want to say a character can or cannot react to stuff, bring up evidence from the source material instead of getting into science.
...god damn it, my brother in christ, reacting still fundemantally works the same way it does irl because that's the only way it could work, fiction is based on reality and "Reacting" can never be changed, if you have a
single example where someone reacting to stuff was implied to not have gone trough any of the steps i mentioned feel free to bring it up, they don't even need to go into any detailed because anyone who can think will know it doesn't matter, wether they bring it up or not, reacting to stuff still largely goes trough the same process, and the **** do you mean not get into science, that's literally the basis and the common ground we use to scale and argue, the common ground which we use to compare verses is science
good thing i kept this
i never denied any of the supernatural feats happening in verse because we see them happening, i said your logic for scaling and your interpreation is faulty because it falls under minor scrutiny and it basically ignores physics to get a desired result that was never even proven to be, to say that again, i never denied the supernatural properties that exists in the verse just because they can't logically happen, a character's capabilities are informed by the scope of their settings, there's room for supernatural things, that I never denied, you're arguing with mid air, FTL travel and magic are both of these, they're allowable by the nature of what fiction is, for example in the garou vs flashy flash and platinium sperm fight we're given an explicit timeframe in which the events happened in so we know they're faster than litght, we can therefore conclude that Garou can go faster than light in an atmosphere without causing the relveant side effects that such a movement speed would imply, we don't know how he does it, but he does, that can never be denied
That doesn't mean you can't calculate either of these phenomena, a calculation should have predictive value, you need to build a hypothesis, find evidence , and quantify it,quantifying said evidence requires a frame of reference for it be meaningful, which is physics and, said frame of reference is applicable unless otherwise noted by the story, setting, or characters within, if the calculation and assumptions falls apart under minor scrutiny the base assumptions or conclusions provided are most likely flawed , which is the case here, you're just making up whatever interpretation to try and justify the event based on what you want them to be-that won't make it anymore valid,You can't prove it, you've got no justification for it and you're randomly deciding that it's true and working your way backwards from there to justify it, which isn't exactly how it works, that's circular and insane
reacting to anything still works the same way it does for use for all these characters because that's the only reacting to anything can work, if you think otherwise actually bring up any sort of relevent evidence that proves it wrong
Don't get all condescending here. When I said "twice as fast", that was just an example I threw out. It could just be that, it could be 10x, it could be whatever number. But even with all that, a character could read the muscle movements of their opponent and dodge all of that, reacting that way.
okay i will honest to god quit if this continues, learned my lesson from a lot of other arguments i had, case in point the multiple stuff i just copy paste here lol
let me just bring the other stuff i wrote a long time ago again, the characters are different but it's the same point where someone claimed a character can keep up and react to someone 10 times faster than he is because of his "senses"
do you then acknowledge that no matter how good his senses become he can never dodge nor react to kokushibo's attakcs exept
maybe (emphasis on maybe) the first one?
sequence of events goes like this
attack prepares to be unleashes -> sanemi sees the future 1000 attacks coming before they do -> he dodges the first one -> secon attack in coming, from the prior vision he had, he already knows about it -> he tries to do-
oops,he is dead
there is one thing you need to get across your head is once the first attack is over sanemi would have to dodge the second attack that will alread be in it's way towards him and with basic physics of speed = distance /time, the attack that's several dozen times faster will cover so much more distance in a much smalled timeframe that even if sanemi knew about where the attack was going to land
as it was moving towards him, he will never be able to dodge it without the necessary speed required as such a speed difference implies being able to throw at least 10 attacks in the time it will take him to dodge 1, even if he predicts one and aimdodges, and even if he predicts the following thousands of attacks, the argument is he physically can not move in time to avoid them all still holds up (the orginal damn argument)
aimdodging an attack that much faster is fine, i never said anything about that part (depending on the distance and the speed anyways) the issue that flew over your head doing it in repeated succession over the course of an entire god damn fight, there needs to be a
huge gap between every attack for this to be possible and there wasn't, "he has better senses" is no way shape or form an explanation for doing the phyiscally impossible you're claiming he did as if literally even one of the upccoming attacks occupy the space he is in, he is getting hit, he physically can not dodge anything even if he knows what's coming.
in order for this feat to transpire the way you are trying to claim, it would imply sanemi
is not several dozen times slower/equal to mared sanemi and is in fact that relative to the speed koushibo was using then before he amps it and gets serious, otherwise he can't physically dodge shit even if he predicted it was coming.
to say it again, whatever bs you're claiming is Impossible, given the speed difference established sanemi can not physically move his body in the time it takes him to land a hit, you keep ignoring that, it would be like if someone put a gun to your head, pulled the trigger, fired the bullet, and you managed to dodge the supersonic bullet by moving your body despite the fact it was mere inches away from your skull, and the bullet already fired, it doesn't matter if you know it's coming or not, you physically
cannot dodge it, and if you DO dodge it, then by direct correlation you are relative it in speed
i will not be taking my chances, let's explain this
again
you see what's happening here? how they're exchanging so many blows?
even if sanemi was able to see the future and start attacking before koku's attacks even started, he moves body from Point A to Point B over a certain distance within a certain timeframe if koku was several dozen times faster than he is he can
still unleash several dozen more blows in the time it will take him to unleash one so even if sanemi, for whatever reason, had better senses than someone more skilled than he is the panel above implies he is relative to the speed kokushibo was using against marked muichiro and thus scales far higher than marked muichiro in speed even in base
for the love of christ, undestand this, because a character cannot and will not react to someone 10 to the power of 100 times faster than he is at close range, does the exagerated example make it uncderstandable enough?
i hope so
Then that's a problem you have, no need to get annoyed over anything here when it's just a silly battle board debate.
i wish, bro, i wish, but it's just how it is
So, what, she couldn't react? It was faster than what she could see? It was FTE? Lol.
the balls, bro, did you not read?
the characters would the balls and tanjiro would be Yoriichi, and FTE and statuing your opponents may sound similar but it's fundemantally different in magnitudes because your casual FTE isn't literally moving so fast that your opponent is motionless as you move several dozen meters,
if you're claiming the characters here can do the same thing then post the deat where they moved several dozen meters as the opponent they once had a hard time with is motionless due to the huge speed difference
"Vastly" as in its enough to block and withstand any slash Yorichi is going to try and do. Because trying to slice or stab a cushioned body that is already impenetrable by bladed weapons and spears, is not going to end well for him.
...idk how many times i have to tell you to quantify it before you do, claiming it's impenrtrable is a NLF and provide evidence, an actual analysis where you take both sides's abilities into consideration based on what i told you and prove Yoriichi can't harm him with his slashing attacks even with an amp that's over 100 times stronger than his base stats
I don't need to answer this as you've probably already found it by reading down
no you very much need to quantify it
We are equalizing stats here, yes. I was explaining the mechanics of Doom's percentages.
you still didn't answer my question, aren't his percentages aren't his power just suppressed?
so why aren't we equalizing his 100% mode where he isn't holding back?
that's what stats equalized means, his maximum mode is a different story but him at 100% power is equalized to the rest, that's stats equalized mean to begin with
Your words tell a different tale
like what tho
Ìm talking about his maximum state. Doom's 100% is technically his bas when he ise,n't holding anything back.
...yes, and we're equalizing that, his maximum state is the one that' amps him
Think of his Maximum state as something similar to Frieza's, or Toguro's 100% over 100%. It's him flexing his magic power to the extreme, and again, provides a boost greater than anything he had before for a short time. Now this short time is iffy, as he had already been in an hours long conflict against multiple opponents while holding back, and only reached his peak near the end of it. Realistically, it's likely he can hold the form much longer now that he's starting off in his 100% fully refreshed.
yeah so we agree on this?
This is combat applicable stuff, theseschools train these students to fight and run governments, and their growth comes from training in fights.
idk i can't see where any of that comes to play or helps in any way in actual combat
Imgur is better to use by the way, unless it's restricted or banned in your region
i will try to use it ig
The thing is that Mash did this without knowing how these properties would interact. Mash is very, very book-dumb, and as he admits he's only good with his fists, at least by this point in the story. And yet despite this, he knew how sound worked when traveling through different materials just from seeing Margarette's sound attacks to counter their magic, and quickly figured out how to redirect his attacks in spite of a magnetic force pulling his attacks away.
i mean yeah, but that's still not exactly phenomenal info analysis, it's basic deduction skills but his ability to adapt and fight based on the new information is good, but nowhere near even giyu, like i showed above
Technique as in attacks or magic
how good are the "attacks", because mashle is mostly a magic based setting where mashle just brute forces his way trough stuff, an actual link to the feat would be appreciated tho
Doom doesn't either, because he's blind. He fights with only his other senses. I put "see" in quotes because that's what hie father says.
i know he is blind, "see" in my reply there meant the attack wasn't even initiated and giyu just knew about it immediately, somehow
It does mean a lot, actually. The fact that he can perfectly counter attacks with little issue
not nearly to the same degree as even giyu who can effortlessly make new techniques to counter the entire future move set of a tehcnique that wasn't even initated yet
, with such precision and focus, without the ability to see
without the ability to see just means he has a different way of "Sensing" stuff, it's not exactly impressive, focus and precision means nothing here either considering it comes naturally with enough supernatural bs skills
is a lot. And the lasers being varied in speed is a further testament to his skill,
not really, it just means he can "Sens" which is coming first and which isn't and move accordingly, it's not exactly impressive
because he can't see if they're differing, he didn't hear of the plan. He sensed this, and counered it perfectly. Beams of light.
as i said, it's not that impressive, he just has to block the fastest ones first, and that's about it
Or perhaps this is an ability of demons?
not really
I'm not sure how to understand this if there isn't a visual indication given, so bare with me here. But, again, an ancestory DNA overview really doesnt mean much if that's all it was used for.
...idk if you skipped the explanation, but the info analysis seen here implies demon slayer's information analysis abilities and intelligence is off the charts and basically dwarfs anything mashle has to offer, and of course he would use such ungodly information analysis in his fights, it doesn't just poof out of existence when he is fighting
Again, it is combat applicable, because these wizards learn and master it through combat and training, not by sitting down at a table and studying it
how does that help in this fight or incease his odds of winning it is what i'm asking?
Not when Doom immediately crossed and surpassed that gap, no
I thought I had mentioned it, but Doom was not able to get close to Ryoh at all
Ryoh's attacks were pushing him back and Doom couldn't touch him even when he got close
Did not, as we know when Doom increases his power. When he says it himself. He announces his percentages.
can i just read the chapter, i don't know what sort of conclusion i can come up with here
No, a single movement. With a single movement, he had not only dodged the other lasers heading his way, but deflect one back at the opposing force.
that's not exactly impressive much is it, bro just dodged and blocked stuff, you're making this out to be way better than it actually is
Did you not see the part where he marked an x onto the ground in front of his attackere, proceeded to avoid all of their attacks while casually beating them down, before having the two suddenly stand right in the spot he wanted them to be in? All while not actually seeing them? Not only are his senses sharp as hell, but he can actually work with them and play geniuses like absolute fools.
him not being able to see doesn't mean much, it literally just means he senses stuff another way
and the rest of the fight he was still largely only capable of doing what he is doing because of the overwhelming difference in stats, as in strenght and speed, there wasn't much in the way of skill there
also just saw this
I won't argue against such mental gymnastic. The statement is as clear as the day and its what is accepted on the profile, theres no need to waste time arguing over this
if i had one dollar for every time somone said "mental gymnastics" when i pointed out how wrong they were i'd be rich by now, pray do tell miss, how was what i stated wrong in any way shape or form?
and if that's the case the profiles are dumb and this is wrong, if you think otherwise since you're the one arguing it isn't, prove it, that's how arguing works doesn't it?
you point out the logical inconsistencies in your opponent's points and claims, it just how it is
this took a while, i really shouldn't be arguing while sleep deprived and with a fever should i lol, my head already hurts like hell
well, see ya
Edit: I hot linked stuff, but they disappeared, god damn it, ahh whatever, idc at this point
