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[Arkenis]

Now, I know that most of the characters here can deal with it and could even fight on equal terms, but the main problem is the fact that after a while he would use his Thirds, creating 100 exact other copies, each one with the same durability, skill, stamina, magic, and so on.

I can't see how any of the other characters would deal with this, even if all of them fight against Doom at same time

Gabura can summons hundreds of glyphs to launch energy at them, so they'll be somewhat distracted by that. He's got spatial hax as well so the clones can die from that, he can scream very loud attacking dozens surrounding him as well. Toji really needs one or two stabs with the SSK and the clones should die, I mean even trying to get in a sword fight with Toji would be pointless for Doom? Gen Narumi and Yoriichi already deal with numerous of opponents in canon and scale to those who have done so as well, and have slowed perception so really they aren't gonna struggle with it here.

I don't even gotta say much on Sasaski, he's gonna create a plan to deal with all of them in his head, copy Doom's techniques, and constantly adapt to Doom's speed increases, his tricks and sword maneuvers, as will Doom.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Gabura can summons hundreds of glyphs to launch energy at them, so they'll be somewhat distracted by that

Doom could counter Ryoh's danmaku after one look, so I doubt that it would work

He's got spatial hax as well so the clones can die from that,

How the spatial hax work?

he can scream very loud attacking dozens surrounding him as well

Like this?

Toji really needs one or two stabs with the SSK and the clones should die,

You know, I'm a Jujutsu fan, and I can say that Toji is not doing much against Doom at all. SSK is indeed dangerous and it would be capable to even oneshot Doom, but Toji is not touching him, the difference in skill is insane. I doubt that he would be capable to even get close. And even if he end up getting close, he could trick Toji just like how he have done with Mash twice.

Doom could also use his illusions, where not even Mash or other wizards were capable to bypass with senses alone.

Gen Narumi and Yoriichi already deal with numerous of opponents in canon and scale to those who have done so as well, and have slowed perception so really they aren't gonna struggle with it here.

They would have a hard time against one Doom, no idea of how they would deal with other 99 exact copies

One could argue that they could try to finish Doom before he uses his Thirds, but the SBA makes him start with it

 

[Arkenis]

Doom could counter Ryoh's danmaku after one look, so I doubt that it would work

Gabura's is in the hundreds, how much was Doom countering there?

How the spatial hax work?

His spiritual power can break spatial barriers. Hell he himself should be able to given he's powered by Yin energy. Specifically stated they do this via brute strength but that isn't literal, their energy is simply just capable of messing with space.

• Dimensional Fusion & Dimensional Barrier Destruction & Enhanced Non-Physical Interaction (Spatial - Hijirimaru is able to assimilate parts of the real world to Magano, a separate dimension. This is performed by prying open the dimensional barriers via the power of the Kegare. Kegare who are strong as him or stronger should logically be able to perform the same feat on a greater scale[17]. Kegare on the weaker side are also capable of doing this on a smaller scale[18])

Like this?

• Intense Scream (Screamed loud enough to cause Sakura's eyes to bleed[10]. His screams also generates slashes[11]) Also the guy causes rumbling from hundreds of meters away just from his snores, his screams will definitely reach further than what Doom did.

You know, I'm a Jujutsu fan, and I can say that Toji is not doing much against Doom at all. SSK is indeed dangerous and it would be capable to even oneshot Doom, but Toji is not touching him, the difference in skill is insane. I doubt that he would be capable to even get close. And even if he end up getting close, he could duck Toji just like how he have done with Mash twice.

Doom could also use his illusions, where not even Mash or other wizards were capable to bypass with senses alone.

I agree he's better in skill. Did Mash and the wizards have senses like Toji's world analyzing bs?

They would have a hard time against one Doom, no idea of how they would deal with other 99 exact copies

One could argue that they could try to finish Doom before he uses his Thirds, but the SBA makes him start with it

He can't summon a 100 for each person can he? If not then they won't need to deal with all 99 on their own. A 1km range they'll be split amongst them.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Have we forgotten that each Doom will have the same level of regeneration, at a potency that would allow him to regenerate from wounds that would split his head in half or chunks of his body ripped off?

It's very viable he could tank shit and get attacks in, if the clones aren't struck by the SSK

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Gabura's is in the hundreds, how much was Doom countering there?

Hundreds of thousands
A basic spell of Ryoh has a range capable to affect the entire population of a city that covered a good amount of a supercountry as well as destroy an entire army that was attacking the country

Also, should be noted that theres some "layers" here, since as said before, the first spell of Rhyo ended irrelevant as Doom was capable to adapt and deflect it all with one single slash after seeing it once, however, at same time, Ryoh had also adapted to Doom, and countered his counter him with even more precise light spells. As the fight was going, Ryoh started to make his moves change trajectories, with different angles and tempo, making it hard to read propely, until it all ended irrelevant since Doom had adapted again and deflected his danmaku that was said to be impossible to anticipate.

Specifically stated they do this via brute strength but that isn't literal, their energy is simply just capable of messing with space.

Is that even dura neg or just some kind of npi like the hollows of Bleach?

Intense Scream (Screamed loud enough to cause Sakura's eyes to bleed[10]. His screams also generates slashes[11])

Yes, this is not doing much. Doom can regen from things like this, plus he can do something similar but worst

Did Mash and the wizards have senses like Toji's world analyzing bs?

Mash can sense when danger is near, know when the opponent will attack before the opponent even think about it, sense aura, react when every single one of his senses is nulled, have instincts to tell him when the opponent in hidding techniques, and so on

Wizards can sense magic and such

He can't summon a 100 for each person can he? If not then they won't need to deal with all 99 on their own. A 1km range they'll be split amongst them.

No, he can't summon 100 for each person, but I doubt that any character in this list would be capable to deal with even three Dooms

Doom is not fodder, his skill is not poor and his stats is equal to everyone else. They are not gonna die easy at all. Each copy is just as hard as to kill the original Doom

 

[Arkenis]

Hundreds of thousands

Can I see Doom countering that many. Everything you sent seems like a five or ten which isn't a lot.

Is that even dura neg or just some kind of npi like the hollows of Bleach?

It's spatial hax so yeah dura neg but also npi.

Yes, this is not doing much. Doom can regen from things like this, plus he can do something similar but worst

Just gonna make sure the clones have trouble getting close. And it's better given the range.

Mash can sense when danger is near, know when the opponent will attack before the opponent even think about it, sense aura, react when every single one of his senses is nulled, have instincts to tell him when the opponent in hidding techniques, and so on

Wizards can sense magic and such

Not really comparable to Toji's stuff.

No, he can't summon 100 for each person, but I doubt that any character in this list would be capable to deal with even three Dooms

Doom is not fodder, his skill is not poor and his stats is equal to everyone else. They are not gonna die easy at all. Each copy is just as hard as to kill the original Doom

I don't think so. Most these characters have more going for them than just skill. Gen's precog, his dura neg, regen neg, perception slowing, would easily let him kill dozens of Doom's before they could react. Gabura's scream would damage dozens of them, he'd be able to unleash an absurd amount of beams to keep them away. Like I said before, Sasaki will literally have no issue fighting ten of them, having undergone an insane understanding of Doom's every movement, his techniques, the surrounding, he'll precog Doom's entire fighting career and continue doing it.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Can I see Doom countering that many. Everything you sent seems like a five or ten which isn't a lot.

Its not as if Hajime could put thousands of lasers in one single panel. We already know that a basic spell of Ryoh can cover part of a supercountry while barely trying, it doesn't make sense to he use a danmaku with less lasers against someone as dangerous as Doom

It's spatial hax so yeah dura neg but also npi.

Thats not what I'm saying. Is the NPI even stated as dura neg? Just because they can crack space with energy its not automatically dura neg. All Hollows can crack space and none of them is accepted as being capable to dura neg with it

Not really comparable to Toji's stuff.

Toji can feel the air density and the temperature around him and thats it, its just not as impressive at all

Gen's precog, his dura neg, regen neg, perception slowing, would easily let him kill dozens of Doom's before they could react.

I don't think Gen would beat ONE Doom tbh. Indeed his precog is impressive but its where it ends. Gen can definitely see what Doom is gonna do but he can't react to everything in the last second, he can't predict when Doom is gonna use Mirror Magic to swicht directions or create two copies of himself to attack at two angles at same time in the last second. Plus, Gen's precog is EXTREMLY limited, he can't use it for more than one minute.

Also, Gen's regen negation is based on using heat to SLOW DOWN the healing of Kaijus. Not so sure if this is gonna work against Doom as he has heat resistance

Also also, the dura negation justification sounds weird, as Kaiju No.9 was capable to tank his moves without much problem, even an entire combo. The "dura neg" itself needs direct contact and it works as a explosion that activates when inside the Kaiju, something that will hardly happen when theres someone way bigger than you using a 2 meters sword capable to spam shockwaves around.

Gabura's scream would damage dozens of them, he'd be able to unleash an absurd amount of beams to keep them away

The scream would barely do anything and "absurd amount of beams" is something that Doom already fought, even beams with "variable speeds that cannot be anticipated" isn't hard to counter for him

Like I said before, Sasaki will literally have no issue fighting ten of them, having undergone an insane understanding of Doom's every movement, his techniques, the surrounding, he'll precog Doom's entire fighting career and continue doing it.

"No issue" is a strong word. Doom is also capable to learn how to counter any technique after one glance, keep up with Mash who can fight for hours against enemies way stronger than himself that can also use invisible spells, predict the entire trajectory of a fight, say that Orter "lack skill" despiste being capable to predict invisible attacks behind him, and so on. Besides the big AoE that he is capable to create with shockwaves.
And then theres his regeneration...

Look, I'm not saying that Doom stomps everyone here, I'm saying that ONE Doom is already a big foe, but then theres ONE HUNDRED working together

 

[Arkenis]

Its not as if Hajime could put thousands of lasers in one single panel. We already know that a basic spell of Ryoh can cover part of a supercountry while barely trying, it doesn't make sense to he use a danmaku with less lasers against someone as dangerous as Doom

Yet that's what we see when Ryoh and Doom fight. He simply doesn't have the feats shown to evade or counter hundreds of attacks all at once. And the author doesn't need to do it in one panel, it can be over the course of a couple panels. Also Yoshiaki showed hundreds to thousands of attacks in panels, for context this attack was meant to protect the citizens of an island which was in the thousands.

Thats not what I'm saying. Is the NPI even stated as dura neg? Just because they can crack space with energy its not automatically dura neg. All Hollows can crack space and none of them is accepted as being capable to dura neg with it

In this verse it does, the high tiers/god tiers mere spiritual power clashing warps space and is considered dangerous to even be near it. The characters just happen to resist the spatial hax. The story literally tells us this spatial distortion is done via brute strength, why would it not apply to a person?

I don't think Gen would beat ONE Doom tbh. Indeed his precog is impressive but its where it ends. Gen can definitely see what Doom is gonna do but he can't react to everything in the last second, he can't predict when Doom is gonna use Mirror Magic to swicht directions or create two copies of himself to attack at two angles at same time in the last second. Plus, Gen's precog is EXTREMLY limited, he can't use it for more than one minute.

You're simply just downplaying Gen and wanking Doom. I am so glad I read Doom's fights to understand the guy isn't all that. He's not outdoing a guy who can see electrons moving in slow motion from hundreds of meters, predict your moves while also analyzing the entire area, seeing in a 360º angle, outperforming an entire defense force, and and its all instinctive for him. It says "another minute" meaning Gen had already been using it prior, all he needs is several seconds to kill several Dooms.

The scream would barely do anything and "absurd amount of beams" is something that Doom already fought, even beams with "variable speeds that cannot be anticipated" isn't hard to counter for him

Small beams sure, beams coming from the same direction sure, has Doom parried a full 360º beam attack? And please show us Doom fighting an absurd amount of beams lmao, against Gabura he's gonna be against hundreds of them.

"No issue" is a strong word. Doom is also capable to learn how to counter any technique after one glance, keep up with Mash who can fight for hours against enemies way stronger than himself that can also use invisible spells, predict the entire trajectory of a fight, say that Orter "lack skill" despiste being capable to predict invisible attacks behind him, and so on. Besides the big AoE that he is capable to create with shockwaves.

Sasaki's simply got more bs than Doom, Sasaki's gonna be countless steps ahead, Doom's gonna be getting surprised by every new step, counter, technique that Sasaki tries in addition to Sasaki having a greater understanding of Doom than Doom will of him. Doom's aoe isn't big lmao, its tens of meters, most the characters here have hundreds like Sasaki.

predict the entire trajectory of a fight

Sasaki's in his head predicting the trajectory of countless fights in his head, not just one.

And then theres his regeneration...

Look, I'm not saying that Doom stomps everyone here, I'm saying that ONE Doom is already a big foe, but then theres ONE HUNDRED working together

Gets killed by Toji accidentally smelling light and swinging his sword cause he felt a slight change in air density 80º to the right of his left toe.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I believe so, yes. Now, to preface this, in his base state Doom has only shown the capacity to mirror himself 4 times, creating 5 of himself in total. He also has his Secondth, which is basically a danmaku barrage of his sword by creating a kaleidoscope mirror. The real problem here is if Doom would use his summons and Thirds, which he does one after the other immediately. His summons amplifies himself by 10x, and also creates a mirror that reflects in on itself, causing a hundred of himself to be shown. And with his Thirds, he brings these reflected copies of himself into reality, meaning he now has a hundred of himself to fight with.

Ok fair enough. Personally then it seems like his thirds are better off restricted, he’s incredibly skilled already. I can imagine these characters fighting 5 dooms but 100 is a bit absurd.

Although going off of the 100 clones, in that case at least from what I can see, True Spring Blooming Taiyo can just stun these Dooms via his 100m+ wide omnidirectional electric attacks, he’ll resort to large scale attacks when faced with such overwhelming numbers. Issue is that given the vastness of the area it’s not like every clone will be together bunched up like idiots, so Taiyo can’t just paralyze them all in one blast.
In a more straight fight Taiyo could somewhat mitigate or see some of Doom’s versatility coming with his base Analytical prediction in the first key being better than FTE + his normal blooming amping his predictions to see the trajectory of ranged attacks coming much better (his base analytical prediction wasn’t close to enough due to the speed gap) + his slow motion perception + doesn’t need his eyes even when fighting enemies faster than him via his greater than 100m radius extrasensory and his normal senses. So if Taiyo sees Doom doing all his stuff against someone else or him early in this fight he may opt for the electric gun rather the blade to just stun him since he doesn’t resist electricity. Or retreat into stealth if he wants to change his tactics, similar to what Toji can do with fly heads and such.
Doom’s still skilled as hell though and has plenty of his own things that have been explained above me in detail.
Doom being able to constantly adjust and counter every time after a move is used for the first time is something everyone here is smart enough to catch onto and whoever is fighting him at the time can opt to try finish as soon asap.
Sasaki appears to be his antithesis in this case, given Sasaki simulates many ways a fight is playing out from the start.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I will check arkenis replie later, but I want to note that Doom dura is > than his AP thanks to his wand, as noted several times. To have an idea, the eyelid of Mash was stronger than Doom, yet he could tank his attacks without much problem

I know this is equal stats but Doom is like that due to his cane

 

[Arkenis]

I will check arkenis replie later, but I want to note that Doom dura is > than his AP thanks to his wand, as noted several times. To have an idea, the eyelid of Mash was stronger than Doom, yet he could tank his attacks without much problem

I know this is equal stats but Doom is like that due to his cane

That's fine since everyone here has some form of dura neg.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Ok fair enough. Personally then it seems like his thirds are better off restricted, he’s incredibly skilled already. I can imagine these characters fighting 5 dooms but 100 is a bit absurd.

I man hey, these people here have the opinion to negate Durability, the most dangerous being the SSK which will target the soul.

Although going off of the 100 clones, in that case at least from what I can see, True Spring Blooming Taiyo can just stun these Dooms via his 100m+ wide omnidirectional electric attacks,

Doom's physicals are superior to a pre-training Mash's, who was able to tank multiple blasts of lightning from Levis Rosequartz. I doubt Taiyo attacks will have much of an affect on Doom. To add some more temperature resisting feats, Doom was able to no-sell Dot's explosion magic heat, which can instantly char those made of organic matter.

he’ll resort to large scale attacks when faced with such overwhelming numbers. Issue is that given the vastness of the area it’s not like every clone will be together bunched up like idiots, so Taiyo can’t just paralyze them all in one blast.

See above. Also, the Doom's could also just cut through it. Whether it be the manifestation of god's or huge screw-off lasers coming his way, he can choose to face tank the attack to slice through it, using his extended range to slice the opponent.

In a more straight fight Taiyo could somewhat mitigate or see some of Doom’s versatility coming with his base Analytical prediction in the first key being better than FTE + his normal blooming amping his predictions to see the trajectory of ranged attacks coming much better (his base analytical prediction wasn’t close to enough due to the speed gap) + his slow motion perception + doesn’t need his eyes even when fighting enemies faster than him via his greater than 100m radius extrasensory and his normal senses. So if Taiyo sees Doom doing all his stuff against someone else or him early in this fight he may opt for the electric gun rather the blade to just stun him since he doesn’t resist electricity.

See above. I don't know why it isn't in the profile, but since Mash tanked lightning with his own physical body, Doom should be able to do the same since his Master Cane allows him to amplify his body by converting magic power to strength. Plus, Doom and each of his clones possess the same level of regeneration, the same regeneration that would allow them to have parts of their bodies ripped off and their heads split in half through the brain. Not to mention it's unlikely for his magic power to run out and stop transferring to regeneration, as he'll be fresh unlike the raid battle he was the boss in.

Or retreat into stealth if he wants to change his tactics, similar to what Toji can do with fly heads and such.

it might work at first, but probably won't after he catches on. As by his father's own words, Doom has the capability of countering any attack he "sees" once, and if he needs to he can just unleash his strength by bulking up his arm and slicing apart the entire area with a single swing.

Doom’s still skilled as hell though and has plenty of his own things that have been explained above me in detail.

Yeah, very skilled. He went on a rampage throughout the final arc, taking on multiple highly skilled wizards. Dot and Lance, two of the best Easton wizards with one of them being a prodigy among prodigies, mastering a summons and Thirds in just a couple of days when it's a rarity even among triple liners. Rayne and Orter, two of the most highly respected Divine Visionaries, both of them described to be at the upper half of the hierarchy, with the later being described to have the genetics that would allow him to be at the top of the world. And then Ryoh Grantz the most powerful and skilled of the Visionaries, able to adapt and surpass his limits over the course of a battle. And want to know what happened? Doom out-skilled all of them in the end.

Doom being able to constantly adjust and counter every time after a move is used for the first time is something everyone here is smart enough to catch onto and whoever is fighting him at the time can opt to try finish as soon asap.
Sasaki appears to be his antithesis in this case, given Sasaki simulates many ways a fight is playing out from the start.

Yeah, Sasaki is the best one to fight against this kind of skill, due to his scanning.

 

[Arkenis]

Doom's physicals are superior to a pre-training Mash's, who was able to tank multiple blasts of lightning from Levis Rosequartz

In mid air?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

In mid air?

Yeah, from what I'm remembering of that one panel. He's bring struck by lightning and his feet are lifting off the ground.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

He tanked the lightning point blank and was already accepted as enough for temperature scaling

Lightning temperature

Right, the temperature of a lightning is five times higher than the surface of the sun. But how exactly can we scale this to a character? When lightning strikes a tree, the heat vaporizes any water in its path possibly causing the tree to explode or a strip of bark to be blown off. Like, if a...

vsbattles.com

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I man hey, these people here have the opinion to negate Durability, the most dangerous being the SSK which will target the soul.

True, it’s more just that if these guys are split up by the time these 100 clones come out then it’s more troubles. If they’re close together since this is a free for all, logically it’d be to ignore eachother and focus on the Doom’s first anyway. Looking at Doom’s dura amp via his wand that’s been listed above. Yorrichi specifically might struggle cutting him. Since he has no dura neg, just High mid regen neg.

Doom's physicals are superior to a pre-training Mash's, who was able to tank multiple blasts of lightning from Levis Rosequartz. I doubt Taiyo attacks will have much of an affect on Doom. To add some more temperature resisting feats, Doom was able to no-sell Dot's explosion magic heat, which can instantly char those made of organic matter.

I checked both Mash and Doom’s profiles and they don’t got Electricity or Paralysis resistances do the pages need updating? Heat looks good though, Taiyo can also obliterate organic matter given his temperatures (and explosions are in the microseconds while Taiyo can sustain his for longer). But since Doom has that kind of resistance and Regen I can imagine him just getting up from that. Maybe even withstand it entirely.

Ill take Electricity resist account though (which will stop normal blasts of Yae from Charring him), if its legit Ctg he got blasted with or has demonstrated real electric traits then that puts Doom in a much better spot against Taiyo, since his heat and paralysis are his main had for getting around physical strength gaps. I do gotta ask if the electricity is CTG or does have a couple of the traits of electric though (or a stated amplitude/voltage?), cause otherwise I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t get around Taiyo’s paralysis inducement which is induced by his electricity. Since Paralysis resist isn’t on the profiles as far as I’m looking don’t have paralysis inducement resistance listed.

See above. Also, the Doom's could also just cut through it. Whether it be the manifestation of god's or huge screw-off lasers coming his way, he can choose to face tank the attack to slice through it, using his extended range to slice the opponent.

Does Doom have the NPE to needed to cut through elemental attacks since Taiyo’s attacks ain’t magic, it’s just the ions that can create electricity and such. Since you described lasers/beams. I’ll keep it in mind

See above. I don't know why it isn't in the profile, but since Mash tanked lightning with his own physical body, Doom should be able to do the same since his Master Cane allows him to amplify his body by converting magic power to strength. Plus, Doom and each of his clones possess the same level of regeneration, the same regeneration that would allow them to have parts of their bodies ripped off and their heads split in half through the brain. Not to mention it's unlikely for his magic power to run out and stop transferring to regeneration, as he'll be fresh unlike the raid battle he was the boss in

Them all having his same level regen is very tough though, Yoriichi could prob do a number hordes of the clones if he had an easy time cutting him but Doom got Durability Amps, so that’ll be hard
Don’t know how Taiyo would handle so many either

it might work at first, but probably won't after he catches on. As by his father's own words, Doom has the capability of countering any attack he "sees" once, and if he needs to he can just unleash his strength by bulking up his arm and slicing apart the entire area with a single swing.

That’s good to know, he’s basically like Mahoraga, but purely in a skill context, which would be hard for any of them, Taiyo would be forced into playing defense if he ever runs out of options against him, rather relying on his instinctive action + slow mo vision to not get tagged, but not really being able to fight back either. At which point it’s better to not let the fight become a duel and rather just be a scramble by just running in between another group fighting each other or something like that by using his stepping on flowers speed amp.

 

[Arkenis]

Should I add one more es, esp goon?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

True, it’s more just that if these guys are split up by the time these 100 clones come out then it’s more troubles. If they’re close together since this is a free for all, logically it’d be to ignore eachother and focus on the Doom’s first anyway. Looking at Doom’s dura amp via his wand that’s been listed above. Yorrichi specifically might struggle cutting him. Since he has no dura neg, just High mid regen neg.

Yeah, they would need to focus not on eachother, but on one common enemy. Now, I'm not sure where Doom would start off at. Would it be at his physical peak, where he isn't holding back at 100%? If that was the case, he'd be able to amplify his body further by going to his maximum state, and then cast his summons and Thirds, granting him vast superiority against anyone here without Durability negation. I've heard that SBA puts them at their strongest state though, so I guess that would mean he would start with his summons, so the only Amp that would work here is concentrating his magic to boost his durability, with the stats equalized and all that.

I checked both Mash and Doom’s profiles and they don’t got Electricity or Paralysis resistances do the pages need updating? Heat looks good though, Taiyo can also obliterate organic matter given his temperatures (and explosions are in the microseconds while Taiyo can sustain his for longer). But since Doom has that kind of resistance and Regen I can imagine him just getting up from that. Maybe even withstand it entirely.

Where does it keep going! Could have sworn it was added to his profile at one point (Mash's), but if you need the chapter it should be 89.... which after reading it, while mash does tank the heat of it, he does fall over stiff, but he does quickly recover. Doom should be a similar case, since his whole stick is his physicality.

Ill take Electricity resist account though (which will stop normal blasts of Yae from Charring him), if its legit Ctg he got blasted with or has demonstrated real electric traits then that puts Doom in a much better spot against Taiyo,

Magic has shown to be one to one with real world phenomenon. Sound acts like sound and Levis' lightning magic has shown electromagnetic properties and the ability to stun for a short bit. So yes, it likely has the same heat as natural lightning from the real world.

The only exception to this is Ryoh's light magic bending and having its speed varied but that's Ryoh, he's the goat.

since his heat and paralysis are his main had for getting around physical strength gaps. I do gotta ask if the electricity is CTG or does have a couple of the traits of electric though (or a stated amplitude/voltage?), cause otherwise I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t get around Taiyo’s paralysis inducement which is induced by his electricity. Since Paralysis resist isn’t on the profiles as far as I’m looking don’t have paralysis inducement resistance listed.

read above. About paralysis, I could say that since he's a high tier wizard, and wizards at those levels can withstand Wahlberg's aura which makes you feel like you're being killed and also freeze you in your steps, Doom could resist it..... but nah, that's from fear and shit. But, hey, Doom can buff his defenses heavily to just tank it, because even wizards can survive lethal attacks from enemies far superior to themselves by using magic as cushioning.

There's also the fact rhat wizards can use telekinesis to push away attacks, but Doom hasn't shown to be privy to this.

Does Doom have the NPE to needed to cut through elemental attacks since Taiyo’s attacks ain’t magic, it’s just the ions that can create electricity and such. Since you described lasers/beams. I’ll keep it in mind

Doom cut through Ryoh's Thirds and its laser beam, which is made out of light. This is magic, yes, but it's apparent that once the magic is cased, whatever it is is just as real and the actual phenomenon. Orter's sand magic is real sand, Rayne's partisan magic is real sword, Tsurara's ice magic is real ice, etc.

Them all having his same level regen is very tough though, Yoriichi could prob do a number hordes of the clones if he had an easy time cutting him but Doom got Durability Amps, so that’ll be hard
Don’t know how Taiyo would handle so many either

And range amps. You've probably seen the scans LoK posted, but Doom could just buff up and arm and send multiple slashes across an area with a single one, or cut someone up without even being near them as shown against Renatus.

That’s good to know, he’s basically like Mahoraga, but purely in a skill context, which would be hard for any of them, Taiyo would be forced into playing defense if he ever runs out of options against him, rather relying on his instinctive action + slow mo vision to not get tagged, but not really being able to fight back either.

Huh, good analogy there. Yes, from looking at an attack once, he can counter it. It's like how Mash can see an attack once and pin it down as "played out" afterwards.... huh, Komoto was smart with that.

At which point it’s better to not let the fight become a duel and rather just be a scramble by just running in between another group fighting each other or something like that by using his stepping on flowers speed amp.

Well, even when being attacked by a large group of highly skilled individuals, being in combat for years (the Divine visionries), Doom still came out on top even when they all tried to distract him. Because he, you know, targeted everyone with his slash.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Should I add one more es, esp goon?

Go ahead, it's your thread.

 

[Arkenis]

Alright Yuno is now in this.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Yeah, they would need to focus not on eachother, but on one common enemy. Now, I'm not sure where Doom would start off at. Would it be at his physical peak, where he isn't holding back at 100%? If that was the case, he'd be able to amplify his body further by going to his maximum state, and then cast his summons and Thirds, granting him vast superiority against anyone here without Durability negation. I've heard that SBA puts them at their strongest state though, so I guess that would mean he would start with his summons, so the only Amp that would work here is concentrating his magic to boost his durability, with the stats equalized and all that.

I ain’t too sure in SBA for characters who don’t have keys and rather have stages. But I’m pretty sure it means everyone will start at their peak, or at least the peak they can reasonably sustain (IE not super brief amps. So you can’t start Saiyan saga Goku in like Kaioken x4 for example)

But, hey, Doom can buff his defenses heavily to just tank it, because even wizards can survive lethal attacks from enemies far superior to themselves by using magic as cushioning.

There's also the fact rhat wizards can use telekinesis to push away attacks, but Doom hasn't shown to be privy to this.

Ok sure then, I can buy that working to protect him from any electric shocks even if he is susceptible given what you’ve listed above

Doom cut through Ryoh's Thirds and its laser beam, which is made out of light. This is magic, yes, but it's apparent that once the magic is cased, whatever it is is just as real and the actual phenomenon. Orter's sand magic is real sand, Rayne's partisan magic is real sword, Tsurara's ice magic is real ice, etc.

Noted

And range amps. You've probably seen the scans LoK posted, but Doom could just buff up and arm and send multiple slashes across an area with a single one, or cut someone up without even being near them as shown against Renatus.

The slashes help, although in a one on one thanks to extrasensory I don’t think anyone here is being taken by surprise like that (and funny enough Taiyo in the recent chapters has a scene where he gets his hand holding Yae cut off while he’s about to be skewered by 360 deg Danmaku spikes and just chose to parry with his non dominant hand anyway after picking up his sword)
So I know Taiyo Toji and Sasaki aren’t getting hit by those off guard, the prior two via their level of senses and Sasaki via prediction in that case. If all the clones at once just rapid fire air slashes that could be nightmarish though.
Still air slashing is an issue, since Toji for example kinda can’t do any real damage unless he’s close (SSK)

Well, even when being attacked by a large group of highly skilled individuals, being in combat for years (the Divine visionries), Doom still came out on top even when they all tried to distract him. Because he, you know, targeted everyone with his slash.

fair enough

 

[Arkenis]

I ain’t too sure in SBA for characters who don’t have keys and rather have stages. But I’m pretty sure it means everyone will start at their peak, or at least the peak they can reasonably sustain (IE not super brief amps. So you can’t start Saiyan saga Goku in like Kaioken x4 for example)

Yeah everyone here should be at their peak. It says this on SBA
The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.
Meaning Doom starts out in Thirds, Taiyo starts out with Ama

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I ain’t too sure in SBA for characters who don’t have keys and rather have stages. But I’m pretty sure it means everyone will start at their peak, or at least the peak they can reasonably sustain (IE not super brief amps. So you can’t start Saiyan saga Goku in like Kaioken x4 for example)

So, here's the thing. Doom's maximum state is a last ditch effort thing, a state that burns through his magic supply (and he didn't take his father's blood so he doesn't have an infinite supply of that juice). His summons is also iffy, as while it is an amplifier and takes up a lot of magic power to use, a lot of wizards have shown the capability to have it pit and fight with it at hours at a time.

I think the safest thing to say here is that Doom is fighting at 100% of his base powers with his summons casted (and Thirds I guess), but he has the capability of boosting himself further to gain an incomparable boost to his physical capabilities for a short time.

The slashes help, although in a one on one thanks to extrasensory I don’t think anyone here is being taken by surprise like that (and funny enough Taiyo in the recent chapters has a scene where he gets his hand holding Yae cut off while he’s about to be skewered by 360 deg Danmaku spikes and just chose to parry with his non dominant hand anyway after picking up his sword)
So I know Taiyo Toji and Sasaki aren’t getting hit by those off guard, the prior two via their level of senses and Sasaki via prediction in that case. If all the clones at once just rapid fire air slashes that could be nightmarish though.
Still air slashing is an issue, since Toji for example kinda can’t do any real damage unless he’s close (SSK)

I do think the being thing here is that even when the wizards fighting against Doom knew what was coming, they couldn't do a thing. Orter pointed it out as "something's coming" iirc, and yet despite being able to move, and being a genius himself, he found no way to get out of the way of this attack. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying it's going to be quite difficult to avoid his attacks even with all of this...

Well everyone except for Kojiro (scanning is broken lmao

fair enough

Unrelated but I will say that Doom will double tap if he isn't distracted by any other fighter. I point this out since if he gets his hands on any fighter, he could whittle down any force against him by killing.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yeah everyone here should be at their peak. It says this on SBA
The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.
Meaning Doom starts out in Thirds, Taiyo starts out with Ama

So Doom starts out at 100% with his summons and Thirds, but not his maximum output as it is brief, yes?

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

So, here's the thing. Doom's maximum state is a last ditch effort thing, a state that burns through his magic supply (and he didn't take his father's blood so he doesn't have an infinite supply of that juice). His summons is also iffy, as while it is an amplifier and takes up a lot of magic power to use, a lot of wizards have shown the capability to have it pit and fight with it at hours at a time.

I think the safest thing to say here is that Doom is fighting at 100% of his base powers with his summons casted (and Thirds I guess), but he has the capability of boosting himself further to gain an incomparable boost to his physical capabilities for a short time.

Yeah it’s a bit weird, Taiyo’s peak True Spring Blooming also ain’t meant to be a starter that he stays in cause of the damage to his body and such. He mainly uses it as a one shotting tool or for bullet sponging against enemies comparable to his normal Blooming strength (like how basically every time Taiyo switches into it his thought process is “now I’m gonna one shot him” and if he lands the hit it always works)
But yeah let’s go with that for Doom then seems more fair. Otherwise these two have problems compared to the others.

I do think the being thing here is that even when the wizards fighting against Doom knew what was coming, they couldn't do a thing. Orter pointed it out as "something's coming" iirc, and yet despite being able to move, and being a genius himself, he found no way to get out of the way of this attack. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm saying it's going to be quite difficult to avoid his attacks even with all of this...

This is fair, although at least for Taiyo he’s got 360 degree pseudo force field sword moves that are basically anti Danmaku which he can do if he’s being overwhelmed via pure quantity of attacks
I also ain’t saying avoiding it is easy, since it’s casual for Doom to throw em out, more so that no one’s getting Kashimo’d (it’d be pretty funny if Doom just chucked a random air swing while some other group is fighting to kill them while they’re off guard or something)

 

[Arkenis]

So Doom starts out at 100% with his summons and Thirds, but not his maximum output as it is brief, yes?

Yeah, his maximum isn't a new tier.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yet that's what we see when Ryoh and Doom fight. He simply doesn't have the feats shown to evade or counter hundreds of attacks all at once. And the author doesn't need to do it in one panel, it can be over the course of a couple panels. Also Yoshiaki showed hundreds to thousands of attacks in panels, for context this attack was meant to protect the citizens of an island which was in the thousands.

Again, just because Hajime couldn't draw thousands of beams in one single panel doesn't mean anything. What you're doing is just incredulity since we already know that even a basic spell of Ryoh has this amount of lasers, or do you think that Ryoh would for some reason hold back against Doom but not against an army with a bunch of fodder goons? Plus, as I said previously, Ryoh could even affect the entire population with his light magic.

In this verse it does, the high tiers/god tiers mere spiritual power clashing warps space and is considered dangerous to even be near it. The characters just happen to resist the spatial hax. The story literally tells us this spatial distortion is done via brute strength, why would it not apply to a person?

Well, because it doesn't looks like dura neg. None of the scans says anything about it acting as something that makes durability completly null

You're simply just downplaying Gen and wanking Doom. I am so glad I read Doom's fights to understand the guy isn't all that. He's not outdoing a guy who can see electrons moving in slow motion from hundreds of meters, predict your moves while also analyzing the entire area, seeing in a 360º angle, outperforming an entire defense force, and and its all instinctive for him. It says "another minute" meaning Gen had already been using it prior, all he needs is several seconds to kill several Dooms.

The funny part is that I never said that he would outdoing Gen in prediction, I just explained that he has a lot of limits.

Gen's dura negs first needs to pierce the flesh, and then it will explode inside the opponent, something that is gonna be almost impossible against Doom as his skin is resistant to piercing damage, with his cane making him so durable that Mash, whos eyelid was way stronger than Doom, was unable to put him down. (His skin is also stated as "impenetrable" by Rayne)

The regeneration negation is based on using heat to slow down the healing of Kaijus, something that will not be useful against Doom as he is resistant to high temperatures.

And Gen's precog is impressive, but most of time he only has analytical prediciton, where he reads eletrical signals of the body to predict the next move, something that won't allow him to predict when Doom is gonna swicht directions mid movement or when he will create another copy of himself to attack at same time in different angles. And if Gen really end up using his precog, where he will basically read the very future and such, he will collapse in less than two minutes.

Gen can also get hit without much problem with AoE sockwaves

So yeah, I still think he won't defeat a single Doom

Small beams sure, beams coming from the same direction sure, has Doom parried a full 360º beam attack? And please show us Doom fighting an absurd amount of beams lmao, against Gabura he's gonna be against hundreds of them.

I don't think that Doom will have a hard time against a full 360º beam attack when he has already adapted to lasers with different tempo, that change directions mid movement and has variable levels of speed.

Sasaki's simply got more bs than Doom, Sasaki's gonna be countless steps ahead, Doom's gonna be getting surprised by every new step, counter, technique that Sasaki tries in addition to Sasaki having a greater understanding of Doom than Doom will of him. Doom's aoe isn't big lmao, its tens of meters, most the characters here have hundreds like Sasaki.

Still not defeating Doom easily. Sasaki's analytical prediciton is miles better than Doom's, but this doesn't mean that he will kill Doom in the some seconds. Sasaki lacks range, size and AoE, plus he has never seen something like Mirror Magic and he will not learn that before Doom use it. If Sasaki sees Doom's style and think that the best prediction is for him to attack on the right while Doom is attacking on the left, Doom would change the positions like he has done against Mash

And lets not forgot about Doom's regen and durability

Gets killed by Toji accidentally smelling light and swinging his sword cause he felt a slight change in air density 80º to the right of his left toe.

Even if Toji finds out who is the true Doom, he would be the one to get hit first for sure. Doom as a swordsman is much better than Toji

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Alright Yuno is now in this.

Theres barely anyone to argue for all these characters and you're adding more lol

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Again, just because Hajime couldn't draw thousands of beams in one single panel doesn't mean anything. What you're doing is just incredulity since we already know that even a basic spell of Ryoh has this amount of lasers, or you think that Ryoh would for some reason hold back against Doom but not against an army with a bunch of fodder goons? Plus, has I said previously, Ryoh could even affect the entire population with his light magic.

well, we do know that the more concentrated a spell is, the more power it will end up packing. Perhaps when Ryoh was facing Doom, he lessened the number of lasers he fired out I'm exchange for more power.

 

[Arkenis]

Theres barely anyone to argue for all these characters and you're adding more lol

I thought supporters would join in

 

[Passersby]

Yo this is still going

Koku was replaced 2 lol, well, Yoriichi blitzes and one shots anyways, breath amps are overpowered

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Toji and Yorrichi are probably the first ones to die tbh

 

[Passersby]

Toji and Yorrichi are probably the first ones to die tbh

Nah, Yoriichi outskills or is at least equal in skill has better computational ability than supercomputers can come up with techniques to counter stuff and use them on the fly and the Breath amps ensure he blitzes and one shots

He is pretty busted in an physical Confrontation with equal stats

 

[Arkenis]

Nah, Yoriichi outskills or is at least equal in skill has better computational ability than supercomputers can come up with techniques to counter stuff and use them on the fly and the Breath amps ensure he blitzes and one shots

He is pretty busted in an physical Confrontation with equal stats

The other characters have speed amps too.

 

[Passersby]

The other characters have speed amps too.

Not on the level of statuing projectiles that you first had a hard time with is it,Iike 3rd form of water breathing,

or ig the fake rainbow, which is just magic role-playing as a sword technique

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Breath amp is not gonna be useful. He wont start as a normal human, he will start with breath since the begin

 

[Arkenis]

Not on the level of statuing projectiles that you first had a hard time with is it,Iike 3rd form of water breathing,

or ig the fake rainbow, which is just magic role-playing as a sword technique

That doesn't sound impressive when taking into account most these characters have accel and precog that keeps up with blitzes.

 

[Passersby]

That doesn't sound impressive when taking into account most these characters have accel and precog that keeps up with blitzes.

I don't think you understand what "statuing" means, it means moving so fast your opponent seems like a Statue in comparison, precog or not, they’re getting blitzed, please don't let me explain why

And yoriichi's STW is a superior sensory preception than a sens of smell that can tell the future, his pseudo precog coupled with his information analysis and the fact that he can make new techniques to counter specific stuff on the fly is already enough to at the very least be equal to them

How does their precog work anyways, yoriichi doesn't have a set of static moves, his movements change depending on his opponent's future moves, so a run of the mill precog will actually **** his opponents over when he doesn't move as they tought he would

Breath amp is not gonna be useful. He wont start as a normal human, he will start with breath since the begin

Breath forms themselves offer amps, those don't seize to exist, what do you even mean here?

Breath forms amp your stats Making them even several orders of magnitudes higher than your base ones, they’re bullshit lol, case in point tanjiro with rui's threads

 

[Arkenis]

I don't think you understand what "statuing" means, it means moving so fast your opponent seems like a Statue in comparison, precog or not, they’re getting blitzed, please don't let me explain why

And yoriichi's STW is a superior sensory preception than a sens of smell that can tell the future, his pseudo precog coupled with his information analysis and the fact that he can make new techniques to counter specific stuff on the fly is already enough to at the very least be equal to them

How does their precog work anyways, yoriichi doesn't have a set of static moves, his movements change depending on his opponent's future moves, so a run of the mill precog will actually **** his opponents over when he doesn't move as they tought he would

I don't think you're reading the other profiles if you think this is impressive. Someone like Gen isn't having trouble reacting to this.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Breath forms amp your stats Making them even several orders of magnitudes higher than your base ones, they’re bullshit lol, case in point tanjiro with rui's threads

I dont think thats how it works at all since it ends up inconsistent after some point of the manga
Anyway, I will accept it since its been years that I have read the manga

Gen can precog, dura neg and amp his speed to FTE level
Sasaki can predict countless results after one look
Doom can regen, has insane superior dura, can counter any technique after one look, and has mirror magic + 100 clones of him
Yuno can spam AoE and make a domain where it debuffs everyone and buffs him
And so on

Yorrichi is not special at all