[R1M2] Vene's Country Class Tourney: Gunnix vs Toby

[VeneficaAuthor]

Original Tourney Thread
Tourney Bracket
Votes

Character	Key	Votes
Gunnix​	High EXP Bar	0
Toby​	Base	0
Inconclusive		0

Welcome to VeneficaAuthor's Country Class Tourney! In this tourney 16 country class heavyweights are competing for a special championship. There can only be one champion, so may the strongest win!

In the second match, it'll be Gunnix vs Toby!

Rules

• 100 meters starting distance with equal speed.
• Speed Equalized
• Fight takes place in an endlessly expansive and empty/ruined city

Gunnix is at 6-B.
Toby is at High 6-B.

 

[Froggytron]

Gunnix would start with automatically one Super Digi-Shield activated, and a look at Toby with Info Analysis (reading strongest attack, which may beTime Stop (Can freeze people in time) or Origins of EXE (While in Green Hill, any attack Toby uses will be guaranteed to hit). For the sake of protection, Gunnix summons another Super Digi-Shield and applies additional protections under it, all unseeable and untraceable by Super Digi-Shield's effects.

Meanwhile, the 8-meter big in-character Gunnix would make a small smile and with an 80% Matter Control stamp alter the ground beneath them to remind a large magician podium with sets of chairs crafted from the land surrounding it. Then will mechanically ask Toby for an entertainment show, namely that he wants to see tricks with bullets

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Gunnix would start with automatically one Super Digi-Shield activated, and a look at Toby with Info Analysis (reading strongest attack, which may beTime Stop (Can freeze people in time) or Origins of EXE (While in Green Hill, any attack Toby uses will be guaranteed to hit). For the sake of protection, Gunnix summons another Super Digi-Shield and applies additional protections under it, all unseeable and untraceable by Super Digi-Shield's effects.

Meanwhile, the 8-meter big in-character Gunnix would make a small smile and with an 80% Matter Control stamp alter the ground beneath them to remind a large magician podium with sets of chairs crafted from the land surrounding it. Then will mechanically ask Toby for an entertainment show, namely that he wants to see tricks with bullets

Is there anything stopping Toby from twisting Gunnix like a pretzel with Telekinesis? Toby is 55x stronger in Lifting Strength.

 

[Froggytron]

Is there anything stopping Toby from twisting Gunnix like a pretzel with Telekinesis? Toby is 55x stronger in Lifting Strength.

Both have lifting strength of class E, also "Gunnixes are able to transport yellow crate-boxes in FU XXL-Hybrid tanks, which allow storing theoretically unlimited count of items, some are stated to weigh more than the planet's total atmosphere), Higher with Red Laser strength boost or 'Drawback Mode' further strengthening the pulling force of inorganic materials." this doesn't seem like a class E baseline value.

Gunnix also has 'Gravity Manipulation (can multiply own weight with 80% Frogman Physiology to crush enemies below, also can triple the gravitation of things above A.T. Battlefield Ground)', which when used doesn't show any damage on his body, meaning it can withstand greater forces.

The Telekinesis will without a doubt decently slow him physically though, likely causing damage over a long time, given that Gunnix's gravity jumps aren't used for tens of seconds or more. Could Toby counter the arena below them turning into concrete bullets (especially stated to be at Gunnix's AP level) flying at him from the all surface of the podium arena?

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Both have lifting strength of class E, also "Gunnixes are able to transport yellow crate-boxes in FU XXL-Hybrid tanks, which allow storing theoretically unlimited count of items, some are stated to weigh more than the planet's total atmosphere), Higher with Red Laser strength boost or 'Drawback Mode' further strengthening the pulling force of inorganic materials." this doesn't seem like a class E baseline value.

The atmosphere weighs 5.5 PetaTons and Toby's lifting strength with Telekinesis is 55 PetaTons, making Toby around 10x stronger. He should still be able to twist Gunnix with ease.

Gunnix also has 'Gravity Manipulation (can multiply own weight with 80% Frogman Physiology to crush enemies below, also can triple the gravitation of things above A.T. Battlefield Ground)', which when used doesn't show any damage on his body, meaning it can withstand greater forces.

Withstanding gravity 3x normal shouldn't be anywhere near Class E. This doesn't help Gunnix's case at all.

The Telekinesis will without a doubt decently slow him physically though, likely causing damage over a long time, given that Gunnix's gravity jumps aren't used for tens of seconds or more. Could Toby counter the arena below them turning into concrete bullets (especially stated to be at Gunnix's AP level) flying at him from the all surface of the podium arena?

Toby could just hold all the bullets back with Telekinesis and fly into the sky to get a better view.

 

[Froggytron]

The atmosphere weighs 5.5 PetaTons and Toby's lifting strength with Telekinesis is 55 PetaTons, making Toby around 10x stronger. He should still be able to twist Gunnix with ease.

It's explicitly stated to weigh more than the planet's total atmosphere, easing the gap a bit. Further, R.L.Strenght boost heightening LS will as well reduce damages further, given that this is High-EXP Gunnix's version. But it's fair that Telekinesis becomes a threat at this point.

Withstanding gravity 3x normal shouldn't be anywhere near Class E. This doesn't help Gunnix's case at all.

It does, given that 3x times only applies on the 'A.T. Battlefield Ground' technique, turning the arena below into a giant red phobus causing this to all above it. Gunnix himself can multiply his own body weight (given as far as mediocre 80% Frogman Physiology enables his matter control) to jump above opponents and smash down nuking all with his weight, while his body isn't damaged.

Withstanding tremendously multiplied gravity and gaining a boost in LS (reaching up to 10x times, given that speed boost works similarly) will greatly postpone getting his body twisted into oblivion. Using 80% Matter Manip to force parts of the body to twist back will also delay.

Toby could just hold all the bullets back with Telekinesis and fly into the sky to get a better view.

Is there any limit to the number of objects Toby's Telekinesis can apply simultaneously? Gunnix can attempt turning the entire visible landscape into another hordes to test that out.

• 80% Matter Control - ....or radically slowing down dozens of thousands of inorganic projectiles due to their connection through air. 80% F.P. further grants these manipulated materials a drastic temporary gain in durability, being efficient at shielding from opponents with higher power...

Toby's ascending flight will also be reduced by air matter controllable by Gunnix's 80% Matter Control opposing him whenever he tries to move, it's fair his LS even past Red Laser Boost application is over 2x times greater to still move, it will be a struggle though. Before he gets farther, Gunnix as well might use All guns to simultaneously shoot 4x different types of ranged attacks at Toby from his left arm:

• All guns - Red parts (namely Gunnix's hands) transform into all FU Android previous stage main weapons (Laser bazooka causing Radiation Manipulation, R. L. homing Burst causing powerful Age Manipulation, Red Circles starting 2 tiers bellow / getting 2 tiers above in ~20 seconds + able of capturing nearby targets into Laser Bubbles, Gunnix bullets transferring enormous heat and matter manipulation), can shoot all 4 types from one arm, all at Gunnix's AP level.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Would gunnix stomp anyone with less LS by just holding them down permanently in battle?

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

It's explicitly stated to weigh more than the planet's total atmosphere, easing the gap a bit. Further, R.L.Strenght boost heightening LS will as well reduce damages further, given that this is High-EXP Gunnix's version. But it's fair that Telekinesis becomes a threat at this point.

"More" doesn't imply over 10x stronger.

Is there any limit to the number of objects Toby's Telekinesis can apply simultaneously? Gunnix can attempt turning the entire visible landscape into another hordes to test that out.

I don't think there is a limit. Toby's whole thing is being able to anything.

• 80% Matter Control - ....or radically slowing down dozens of thousands of inorganic projectiles due to their connection through air. 80% F.P. further grants these manipulated materials a drastic temporary gain in durability, being efficient at shielding from opponents with higher power...

Toby's ascending flight will also be reduced by air matter controllable by Gunnix's 80% Matter Control opposing him whenever he tries to move, it's fair his LS even past Red Laser Boost application is over 2x times greater to still move, it will be a struggle though.

Couldn't Toby just copy the ability and reverse its effects?

Gunnix as well might use All guns to simultaneously shoot 4x different types of ranged attacks at Toby from his left arm:

• All guns - Red parts (namely Gunnix's hands) transform into all FU Android previous stage main weapons (Laser bazooka causing Radiation Manipulation, R. L. homing Burst causing powerful Age Manipulation, Red Circles starting 2 tiers bellow / getting 2 tiers above in ~20 seconds + able of capturing nearby targets into Laser Bubbles, Gunnix bullets transferring enormous heat and matter manipulation), can shoot all 4 types from one arm, all at Gunnix's AP level.

Toby could just reflect all of the bullets with no issue. He's also physically incapable of aging so age manip wouldn't have an effect in the first place. Better yet he can copy Gunnix's Super Digi-Shields and attempt to stack those for good extra defense.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

"More" doesn't imply over 10x stronger.

I don't think there is a limit. Toby's whole thing is being able to anything.

Couldn't Toby just copy the ability and reverse its effects?

Toby could just reflect all of the bullets with no issue. He's also physically incapable of aging so age manip wouldn't have an effect in the first place. Better yet he can copy Gunnix's Super Digi-Shields and attempt to stack those for good extra defense.

I doubt he would copy anything, frogman physiology and especially red laser manipulation are uncopyable

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

I doubt he would copy anything, frogman physiology and especially red laser manipulation are uncopyable

Where does it say that?

 

[Froggytron]

Would gunnix stomp anyone with less LS by just holding them down permanently in battle?

Don't think so, besides slowing physical bullets flying at him thanks to air between, he wouldn't use this unless his opponent is escaping to get the upper hand range. Also using 80% Matter Manip on air mainly slows down things from moving into a certain direction, moving to other directions remains fine.

"More" doesn't imply over 10x stronger.

Given that Spagmatron could apply the Red Laser Boost to gain up to 10x faster speed listed in the profile, it should be applicable to other statistics as well, including LS. At full output, it can remain applied only to one statistic, besides AP. FU Androids in utmost majority of cases use this only to close gaps when their opponent has some upper hand. Damage caused before their activation stays though.

I don't think there is a limit. Toby's whole thing is being able to anything.

Alright

Toby could just reflect all of the bullets with no issue. He's also physically incapable of aging so age manip wouldn't have an effect in the first place.

How does his reflection work? Keep in mind that at its lowest firing rate, it's thousands of 4 types of projectiles, besides aging including poisonous green laser radiation, aggressive explosive properties, sealing targets in Laser Bubbles nearby (starting deconstructing them for EXP), and mostly durability negation long rays (destroying bonds between atoms) carrying tens of thousands of degrees of heat. Most of them are further emitting Heat-Light (heating, radiation-poisoning, and aging all into the area around them.

Even if reflected, given that most have homing properties, the majority of them reflected will just keep bending their reflected trajectories and flying at Toby again from other angles, they will be stacking immensely very soon. Reflected Red Laser circles will be controlled to fly into space instead and charge.

Couldn't Toby just copy the ability and reverse its effects?

Better yet he can copy Gunnix's Super Digi-Shields and attempt to stack those for good extra defense.

Where does it say that?

Red Laser spells, including Frogman Physiology matter manipulation powered by their energy, have three aspects preventing instant power mimicry, via the undeniability section of the Red Laser Page linked to Gunnix's profile in powers and abilities.

 

[MintyBoi1]

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[Froggytron]

Where does it say that?

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