Quick Overwatch Upgrade

[Hixkaryana]

After doing some calculations, which can be seen right here, I managed to boost two characters to 8-B+.

• Mei - Who would have a special key, keeping her 8-C and High 8-C tiers, and would be 8-B+ with Preparation. This would only scale to Mei as the calculation relies on the energy required to freeze the Titan, Tracer's Pulse Bomb was what you could consider a catalyst for this reaction.
• Symmetra - Through her Photon Barrier, I don't know why we never calced it but I guess there it is.
  • I would also add another ability for Symmetra which would be Thread Manipulation, as seen in her Marammat Comic.
• Possibly Lifeweaver - Should be comparable to Symmetra as they harness the same technology, even though his is somewhat superior.

Me after doing CRT's on just another dormant verse.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Bump

 

[DaReaperMan]

The Ice Wall is fine.

Symm's wall is creation, as long as it isn't listed as actual AP go ahead.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Bump

 

[DaReaperMan]

I should clarify on why the ice wall is fine to scale to Mei's gun: that's it's attack. It's basically dura neg, sure, but it's what that gun does.

 

[Hixkaryana]

I should clarify on why the ice wall is fine to scale to Mei's gun: that's it's attack. It's basically dura neg, sure, but it's what that gun does.

Could it really count as the gun itself? Since it was the entirety of her backpack that was used in her feat, not what’s contained in her gun.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Could it really count as the gun itself? Since it was the entirety of her backpack that was used in her feat, not what’s contained in her gun.

Her gun kinda does the same thing, going by her own Cinematic, but if you want to apply it to the self-destruction thing alone that's also fine

 

[Hixkaryana]

Her gun kinda does the same thing, going by her own Cinematic, but if you want to apply it to the self-destruction thing alone that's also fine

Wait let’s clear this up, are we talking about the same thing? Because you’ve been referencing a wall but that’s not what I calculated as far as I’m aware her gun didn’t freeze a Titan

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wait let’s clear this up, are we talking about the same thing? Because you’ve been referencing a wall but that’s not what I calculated as far as I’m aware her gun didn’t freeze a Titan

IIRC her gun uses the same shit as her backpack.

 

[Hixkaryana]

IIRC her gun uses the same shit as her backpack.

Sure but in much more limited quantity, it could apply to it though I’m not gonna complicate this.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Sure but in much more limited quantity, it could apply to it though I’m not gonna complicate this.

Yeah, honestly probably better off calcing what the gun does too, so we have Mei done(pre-rework, but she ain't hard)

 

[Hixkaryana]

Yeah, honestly probably better off calcing what the gun does too, so we have Mei done(pre-rework, but she ain't hard)

Weekly already calced her wall im pretty sure

 

[DaReaperMan]

Weekly already calced her wall im pretty sure

I mean in her Cinematic, near the end.

 

[Hixkaryana]

I mean in her Cinematic, near the end.

Ooh yeah, I’ll calc it.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Bump (staff pliz)

 

[GarrixianXD]

• Mei - Who would have a special key, keeping her 8-C and High 8-C tiers, and would be 8-B+ with Preparation. This would only scale to Mei as the calculation relies on the energy required to freeze the Titan, Tracer's Pulse Bomb was what you could consider a catalyst for this reaction.

Sure.

• Symmetra- Through her Photon Barrier, I don't know why we never calced it but I guess there it is.
  • I would also add another ability for Symmetra which would be Thread Manipulation, as seen in her Marammat Comic.

Huh? Overwatch have novelisations? I suppose it'll be fine then, and considering I played the game from 2017 to 2021, Symmetra having Thread Manipulation would be something very straightforward.

• Possibly Lifeweaver - Should be comparable to Symmetra as they harness the same technology, even though his is somewhat superior.

Harnessing similar technology doesn't equate to the same level of statistical values, not to mention you didn't provide a scan for this.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Harnessing similar technology doesn't equate to the same level of statistical values, not to mention you didn't provide a scan for this.

It's already listed on his profile with the Possibly key so I thought it would be sensical.

 

[SamanPatou]

Those feats limited to themselves should be fine, but I'd argue against using them to scale anything. Even Mei's bomb, it's 8-B "freezing force", ok, but that should not be considered as scalable to the concussive force of any of her other attacks.
Symmetra's seem ok but I don't know how that would be applied, it's the totality of the hard light wall, ok, but seems kinda limited to itself, idk.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Those feats limited to themselves should be fine, but I'd argue against using them to scale anything. Even Mei's bomb, it's 8-B "freezing force", ok, but that should not be considered as scalable to the concussive force of any of her other attacks.
Symmetra's seem ok but I don't know how that would be applied, it's the totality of the hard light wall, ok, but seems kinda limited to itself, idk.

I wouldn't use them to scale anyone else but themselves. And Symmetra as said by DaReaperMan would be 8-B+ with Creation, which obviously wouldn't scale to anyone as well.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Symmetra fights with Lifeweaver against some rando military sentry omnics in one of the short stories, so they're just straight up directly comparable

 

[GarrixianXD]

Those feats limited to themselves should be fine, but I'd argue against using them to scale anything. Even Mei's bomb, it's 8-B "freezing force", ok, but that should not be considered as scalable to the concussive force of any of her other attacks.
Symmetra's seem ok but I don't know how that would be applied, it's the totality of the hard light wall, ok, but seems kinda limited to itself, idk.

I'm pretty sure all of that applies to that one specific attack that doesn't scale to their physicals, which the OP seems to be proposing. Ngl, thinking back, pretty sure Symmetra's barrier should apply to her durability section rather than AP.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Ngl, thinking back, pretty sure Symmetra's barrier should apply to her durability section rather than AP.

Then that would make every hero 8-B+ as they can destroy it.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Then that would make every hero 8-B+ as they can destroy it.

That should be in-game mechanics; even with it aside, its clearly an overtime feat for them to destroy that barrier.

 

[Hixkaryana]

That should be in-game mechanics; even with it aside, its clearly an overtime feat for them to destroy that barrier.

Not sure it would be viable, most of the scaling in that verse is done via in-game mechanics. Lots of characters get their scaling from hurting other characters in-game, so that would raise an inconsistency if we just ignored the wall as a way for characters to get higher AP. I still remain on the idea that it should apply for her AP with Creation. (Besides I’ve got means to get Symmetra to 7-B in that specific category).

 

[DaReaperMan]

Not sure it would be viable, most of the scaling in that verse is done via in-game mechanics. Lots of characters get their scaling from hurting other characters in-game, so that would raise an inconsistency if we just ignored the wall as a way for characters to get higher AP. I still remain on the idea that it should apply for her AP with Creation. (Besides I’ve got means to get Symmetra to 7-B in that specific category).

...no. anyone who scales to gameplay shit that isn't them destroying the environment is a BADLY outdated profile or Jinx being a bellied thinking that there should be a general scale for Juno.

 

[Hixkaryana]

...no. anyone who scales to gameplay shit that isn't them destroying the environment is a BADLY outdated profile or Jinx being a bellied thinking that there should be a general scale for Juno.

Why is harming Reinhardt still a justification on a bunch of profiles then
Also why is Genji Multi-City Block for cutting through a Titan's head....

 

[DaReaperMan]

Why is harming Reinhardt still a justification on a bunch of profiles then

Because I do not give a flying **** about half the heroes in the verse. Or even really the verse at all right now all things considered.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Because I do not give a flying **** about half the heroes in the verse. Or even really the verse at all right now all things considered.

Wow! I really do luv your uptimizm!

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also why is Genji Multi-City Block for cutting through a Titan's head....

Because Titan Omnics are 8-A right now and Genji cuts through it with Dragonblade. It's referenced too.

Wow! I really do luv your uptimizm!

I'm not going to lie that my feelings about Overwatch consider it laughable at best with every shitty piece of new lore they put out.

I would rather deal with how Bungie treats Destiny 2 than deal with how Blizzard treats Overwatch. And if you know anything about Bungie, they've hit the lowest player count yet.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Because Titan Omnics are 8-A right now and Genji cuts through it with Dragonblade. It's referenced too.

Erm..their weapons are 8-A, not them. You can't scale Genji's slice and dice to the AP of the Titan.

I would rather deal with how Bungie treats Destiny 2 than deal with how Blizzard treats Overwatch. And if you know anything about Bungie, they've hit the lowest player count yet.

I only play Overwatch competitively so idrc about Blizzard tbh, tho I don't know if they're any better with the other games they've developed.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Erm..their weapons are 8-A, not them. You can't scale Genji's slice and dice to the AP of the Titan.

Then CRT their profile-- oh wait they're going Low 7-B scaling to Torbjörn's artillery once the CRT for that finally gets a second mod on it to pass that.

That is not a profile I had any say in because it was made before I started doing things.

I only play Overwatch competitively so idrc about Blizzard tbh, tho I don't know if they're any better with the other games they've developed.

Starcraft 2 is fine, WoW has some bumps but is good currently. Diablo is okay lore-wise.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Starcraft 2 is fine, WoW has some bumps but is good currently. Diablo is okay lore-wise.

Overwatch's just the fundraiser lmao

 

[DaReaperMan]

Overwatch's just the fundraiser lmao

Kind of happens when you piss off 99% of your player base like 5 times to the point where as soon as an actual competitor worth a shit comes around everyone leaps ship to that.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Kind of happens when you piss off 99% of your player base like 5 times to the point where as soon as an actual competitor worth a shit comes around everyone leaps ship to that.

Long live Marvel Rivals

 

[Hixkaryana]

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So what's the verdict?

 

[Hixkaryana]

bumping after almost 7 months

 

[Rex_Eckles]

After doing some calculations, which can be seen right here, I managed to boost two characters to 8-B+.

• Mei - Who would have a special key, keeping her 8-C and High 8-C tiers, and would be 8-B+ with Preparation. This would only scale to Mei as the calculation relies on the energy required to freeze the Titan, Tracer's Pulse Bomb was what you could consider a catalyst for this reaction.
• Symmetra- Through her Photon Barrier, I don't know why we never calced it but I guess there it is.
  • I would also add another ability for Symmetra which would be Thread Manipulation, as seen in her Marammat Comic.
• Possibly Lifeweaver - Should be comparable to Symmetra as they harness the same technology, even though his is somewhat superior.

Me after doing CRT's on just another dormant verse.

I don't agree with Mei, it was a very specific situation that only ever happened once, it's not something she can do without help nor something she'd want to do since it costs her the entire power source for her ice gun.

 

[Hixkaryana]

I don't agree with Mei, it was a very specific situation that only ever happened once, it's not something she can do without help nor something she'd want to do since it costs her the entire power source for her ice gun.

That’s why it’s under a special key.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

That’s why it’s under a special key.

I guess, it just seems a little weird considering the circumstances surrounding the feat.

 

[Hixkaryana]

I guess, it just seems a little weird considering the circumstances surrounding the feat.

I’m simply using every piece of material I’m given! In lore she performed an 8-B feat so it’s always worth noting.