Kagurabachi Revision ONE: Statistics

[Shey]

AP Scaling Issue/Revision​

Chihiro currently scales to 20.5 Tons which comes from Yui, keep that in mind, with his Nishiki not listed as an amp of its own and only its peak being stated which is when he goes x3 using Nishiki scaling him to 61.5 Tons so currently it goes


Chihiro - 20.5 Tons (8-B), up to 61.5 Tons (8-B+) with Nishiki

Power Revision Changes​

Sojo performed this physical feat while cloaked with Mei which comes in at 11.28 Tons of TNT (8-B). As explained here both Chihiro and Sojo can amplify their power by 3x and 2x, putting them at up to 33.84 (8-B) and 22.56 Tons (8-B) when utilizing more spirit energy than what their bodies could handle.

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Base Physicals​

Now for Chihiro and Sojo's base physicals for some reason scale to the 20.5 Ton Yui for some reason. But there's a better way to get base scaling. Chihiro would scale to his own feat of tanking an explosion (0.01 Ton) without even using his blade, and far above people who can take and dish out similar levels of power (0.04 Tons) due to being an Enchanted Blade user.


So to conclude the new scaling for Chihiro and Sojo will go:


Chihiro - At least 9-A (0.04 tons), 8-B (11.28 Tons) with Nishiki, higher with Cloaking Amplification (33.43 Tons).


Kuro should scale as such "Varies, up to 8-B with Kuro (broke Cloud Gouger and cut down 2x Mei Cloak Sojo), lower with Kuro: Shred (Shred divides Kuro into 20 different miniature Kuro that cut with even greater efficiency than Kuro like a Chainsaw)"


Sojo - At least 9-A (0.04 tons), Varies up to 8-B with Mei (11.28 Tons), 8-B (11.28 Tons) with Mei Cloak, higher with Cloaking Amplification (22.56 Tons)

Durability​

Fairly simple and the same as AP, the 9-A feats scales to physicals and the 8-B feat while cloaking is Sojo quite literally headbutting a massive rock. Though some techniques exist that supplement defense in one way or another


Chihiro - For Chihiro, he has Aka a defensive technique that he uses to absorb attacks. Using this he absorbs a weaker Mei unscathed and a fully-charged Mei, giving him up to 8-B durability


At least 9-A (0.04 tons), up to 8-B with Aka and Nishiki (11.28 Tons), higher with Cloaking Amplification (33.43 tons).


Sojo - Sojo has defensive moves in the form of Water and Ice Manipulation, Ketsu and Yui, used to defend against weaponry and Chihiro in Nishiki's speed


At least 9-A (0.04 tons), 8-B with Mei Cloak (11.28 tons), higher with Cloaking Amplification (22.56 tons)

Speed Scaling Issue/Revision​

Their Speed just like AP it's listed like a mere flat amp, Chihiro scales to Mach 652.35 (MHS) then goes up to 1957.05 (MHS+) with Nishiki's 3x Multiplier


Chihiro - Massively Hypersonic (Mach 652.35), up to Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 1957.05) with Nishiki


While Sojo is - Massively Hypersonic (Mach 652.35), up to Massively Hypersonic+ (Mach 1304.7) with Cloaked Mei


This one is pretty straightforward

• Sojo with Mei already qualifies for Standard Lightning Speed
• Sojo cloaking with Mei is often described as "Riding-the-lightning" and moving with Lightning's high speed, also importantly while cloaked he is able to blitz characters who could react to Mei on several occasions
• This should make Cloaked Mei Sojo scale to Lightning speed (Mach 1282.798834) putting his 2x Multiplier at (Mach 2565.597668)
• Nishiki Chihiro who scales to Cloaked Mei Sojo would be (Mach 3848.396502)

TL;DR of Speed Changes​

No new tiers, just upgrading the values here is all


Chihiro - At least Massively Hypersonic (Mach 652.35), At least Massively Hypersonic+ with Nishiki (Kept up with Mei Cloak Sojo) (Mach 1282.798834), higher when tripling Nishiki's Spirit Energy consumption (Mach 3848.396502)


Sojo - At least Massively Hypersonic (Mach 652.35), Massively Hypersonic+ with Mei, higher with Mei Cloaking (Blitzed sorcerers who could respond to Mei), even higher when doubling Spirit Energy consumption (Mach 2565.597668), even higher reactions (Could react to a 3x Nishiki Chihiro which he outright notes) (Mach 3848.396502)

Lifting Strength​

This calc that scales the current profiles to Class 5 should be removed as it assumes they achieved that height in a single leap but its performed over a series of leaps and sword clashes as seen in the panels between the panel they jump and the panel they're highest.


A Datenseki Stone Weapon User, whose an elite sorcerer on par with the likes of Chihiro and Sojo performed this feat Class M (4223 Tons) from just dashing upon utilizing the stone. This scales to both Chihiro and Sojo as the Enchanted Blades are perfected versions of weapons produced from this ore.


Class M (Scaling to Datenseki Tenri who did this)

Weakness Change/Note Addition​

Currently Chihiro's has this for his weakness; "The twelve-second time limit for Nishiki is mentioned, however this was during Chihiro's fatigued and hurt state. If Chihiro concentrates his spirit power usage on Nishiki, the duration he can utilize the technique decreases, therefore cloaking himself with double or even three times the energy would be reduced by that much."


Problems with it

1. As it says the 12 second time limit applies while he was heavily injured and fatigued. Several scenes earlier he stated just using NIshiki would make him collapse, a problem that doesn't exist when he isnt in such a critical state. The cloaking mulitpliers reducing his 12 second time limit will also be removed because they depend on a 12 second limit caused by his heavy sustained injuries and fatigue

The Time Limit should be removed and though we won't ignore that the cloaking multiplier exceeds his body's capacity so considering that. Instead his weakness should be changed to; "After using Cloaking Amplification with Nishiki Chihiro will be rendered incapacitated, due to the strain it places on his body. "


@Dalesean027 suggests a note should be added to Chihiro's profile that he is unlikely to utilise his cloaking amplification considering it leaves him incapped after usage and hurts greater than any fatal wound, thus he doesn't use it in later arcs with differing stakes

Vote Tally​

Agree: @Emirp sumitpo, @Dalesean027, @KingTempest, @RigelBR7, @Chariot190, @WanderingGecko, @SunDaGamer, @Arkenis, @PingT, @Duedate8898


Neutral:


Disagree:

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I agree to the changes.

 

[Dalesean027]

heh this is good to me, I did so many calcs

 

[KingTempest]

nice job

 

[RigelBR7]

nice job²

 

[Shey]

Neat!
I'll wait a bit and tally the votes, about how the justifications should be worded I will make the profile changes for Chihiro myself cause I already have it Sandboxed, Sojo too later

 

[Chariot190]

ogey

 

[WanderingGecko]

Lesgo!

Btw, I agree with everything presented here.

 

[Arkenis]

I agree with High 6-A end

 

[PingT]

Nice job³

 

[SunDaGamer]

Everything looks good

 

[Shey]

Okay, Tallied the votes in OP, umm has Enough time passed? Or needs 24 hours from the 2nd mod vote?
Not sure how this CRT thing works

 

[Chariot190]

Okay, Tallied the votes in OP, umm has Enough time passed? Or needs 24 hours from the 2nd mod vote?
Not sure how this CRT thing works

24h for small after the time YOU drop the thread. If it's medium thread it's 48h.
Idk if Bachi is "small" enough or this is "Self evident" enough to fall under 24h tho. So you might be stuck waiting an extra day.

 

[Shey]

24h for small after the time YOU drop the thread. If it's medium thread it's 48h.
Idk if Bachi is "small" enough or this is "Self evident" enough to fall under 24h tho. So you might be stuck waiting an extra day.

I will just assume the former

 

[Duedate8898]

This looks mostly fine though I do have a few questions. For what reason is the scaling to Sojo's Ice attack being removed in this CRT in favor for these new calcs? Is the old calc faulty and no longer usable? And if the calc is fine, and we're just looking to not scale off the ice attack why is it being removed from Sojo's AP section?

That said, the AP without Enchanted Blades and with looks fine to me.

Durability, is also fine but I'm not sure why we're including Aka in Chiriho's durability section. While I can understand wanting to note down the limits of what Chiriho can absorb with the sword at this point in the story it should either be merged with Nishiki since both their vaules should be the same or Aka should be removed from the durability section.

Everything else looks fine to me.

 

[Dalesean027]

This looks mostly fine though I do have a few questions. For what reason is the scaling to Sojo's Ice attack being removed in this CRT in favor for these new calcs

I have a recalc that's more accurate so the feat isn't entirely removed its just not nearly as high as what that got and ends up lower than the current 8-B feat he does while cloaked with mei

And if the calc is fine, and we're just looking to not scale off the ice attack why is it being removed from Sojo's AP section?

Could add High 8-C with Yui there in the AP

 

[Duedate8898]

Ok, in that case, I have no further issues with the AP

 

[Shey]

Durability, is also fine but I'm not sure why we're including Aka in Chiriho's durability section. While I can understand wanting to note down the limits of what Chiriho can absorb with the sword at this point in the story it should either be merged with Nishiki since both their vaules should be the same or Aka should be removed from the durability section.

Yeah an oversight, I think merging makes more sense than removing as it's a separate defensive technique. Is "up to 8-B with Aka and Nishiki (), higher with Cloaking Amplification ()" good ?

 

[Duedate8898]

Looks good to me

 

[Dalesean027]

yeah that's fine w me as well

 

[Shey]

It's been 24 Hours and some. With all agrees, this thread can be closed methinks

I will personally handle the profile changes