Questions about Acausality

[Acertainbcplayer]

So if a character that's outright stated to transcends all causality and being able to manipulate all causal effects through time manipulation (all statement), would this place that character at Type 5?
Does this mean that time and causality in this case are connected? If so then if other beings transcend time, would they gain Type 5 too?
And finally, these Type 5 beings can affect and kill each other, this doesn't disqualify their Type 5, yes?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So if a character that's outright stated to transcends all causality and being able to manipulate all causal effects through time manipulation (all statement), would this place that character at Type 5?

No, they need statements or evidence that all of this makes them unchangeable, unalterable, etc.

Does this mean that time and causality in this case are connected? If so then if other beings transcend time, would they gain Type 5 too?

Time and Causality being one in the same happen in some verses, and can make transcending time evidence towards Type 5, but not by itself.

And finally, these Type 5 beings can affect and kill each other, this doesn't disqualify their Type 5, yes?

Depends on their context. A Type 5 Being shouldn't be affected by a gun, and just because it's another Type 5 shooting the gun doesn't mean they should get affected. Unless the gun is suddenly special because a Type 5 is using it, etc.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

No, they need statements or evidence that all of this makes them unchangeable, unalterable, etc.

But then where would transcending all causality put them then? I mean truly being unchangeable is only for Tier 0, I think transcending causality itself should at least grant them Type 5, no? Wait, let me change the question:

A being that transcends all of causality (or in this case, also time) meaning that they surpassed the first system of causality. Then after that there is a realm above, a higher dimensional realm that transcends time, beings on there could still affect each other normally, so would this only qualify for Type 4? Because there is another higher system of causality outside of time?

Time and Causality being one in the same happen in some verses, and can make transcending time evidence towards Type 5, but not by itself.

So would this be Type 4 instead?

Depends on their context. A Type 5 Being shouldn't be affected by a gun, and just because it's another Type 5 shooting the gun doesn't mean they should get affected. Unless the gun is suddenly special because a Type 5 is using it, etc.

Well, since B with the Gun is in a realm that transcends time and A is the same, B with a Gun affecting A shouldn't contradict anything.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

But then where would transcending all causality put them then? I mean truly being unchangeable is only for Tier 0, I think transcending causality itself should at least grant them Type 5, no? Wait, let me change the question:

A being that transcends all of causality (or in this case, also time) meaning that they surpassed the first system of causality. Then after that there is a realm above, a higher dimensional realm that transcends time, beings on there could still affect each other normally, so would this only qualify for Type 4? Because there is another higher system of causality outside of time?

Acausality Type 5 has the strict requirement of statements or evidence of Acausal Character being unchanging or immune to causality-based attacks/events as a result. Simply transcending causality, with no other evidence, would be Type 4.

This is explained on the Acausality Type 5 page; Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.

So would this be Type 4 instead?

Without further evidence, yes.

Well, since B with the Gun is in a realm that transcends time and A is the same, B with a Gun affecting A shouldn't contradict anything.

Unless the Gun is suddenly the same as the entity holding it, it is a contradiction. It's akin to a Universal-level being, bringing a normal bomb to fight another Universal being, and then the latter being hurt by it. It contradicts them being universe-level.

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Acausality Type 5 has the strict requirement of statements or evidence of Acausal Character being unchanging or immune to causality-based attacks/events as a result. Simply transcending causality, with no other evidence, would be Type 4.

This is explained on the Acausality Type 5 page; Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.

Without further evidence, yes.

Unless the Gun is suddenly the same as the entity holding it, it is a contradiction. It's akin to a Universal-level being, bringing a normal bomb to fight another Universal being, and then the latter being hurt by it. It contradicts them being universe-level.

aight, then it's type 4 then, thanks for the help.

 

[Vietthai96]

But then where would transcending all causality put them then? I mean truly being unchangeable is only for Tier 0

You don't need to be tier 0 to be unchangeable

 

[CNBA3]

What type of acausality is granted by simply being “devoid of causality”?

 

[Vietthai96]

What type of acausality is granted by simply being “devoid of causality”?

Type 4, but it could also be Type 1 depend on context