Question about this speed

[OwariNepgear]

I'm very curious right now. Just how fast can this be? I can't even imagine...
These pictures were taken from a game called Sunrider.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Ok nvrmind, this can be discussed here if possible.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

They already break the universe laws...and you still not explain infinity instant.

You already broke time flow (and actualy could start to move backward in time according to some theories).

and what that supposed to mean? also flash is pretty much Immeasurable because of that, do you really think FTL in RL is will always the same as FTL is fiction?

 

[Yamatohime]

Sunrider at least try to look like at least bordering Soft Sci-Fi and Hard Sci-Fi... Like Macross... Unlike Marvel or DC which basicaly fantasy as whole.

 

[OwariNepgear]

@Yamatohime: I really don't get it... What do you mean by saying "the observers will die from old age"?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

And what does suposed to do? you still not explain the infinity part, also since when we will always use FTL in RL logic as the opposite of FTL feats in fiction?

 

[Fllflourine]

Thinking either Infinite or Immeasurable, not sure as I'm kind of confused.

 

[Yamatohime]

The faster you move - the slower your timeflow. At border line between lightspeed and FTL the time flow is stopped. At least in theory.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

The faster you move - the slower your timeflow. At border line between lightspeed and FTL the time flow is stopped. At least in theory.

We dont use RL FTL theory in fiction, there are tons of people who can do that but without has to suffer the side effect.

 

[Yamatohime]

The faster you move - the slower your timeflow. At border line between lightspeed and FTL the time flow is stopped. At least in theory.

We dont use RL FTL theory in fiction, there are tons of people who can do that but without has to suffer the side effect.

Well, as far as I remember... Sunrider still try to hold on RL physics as much as possible...

 

[LordAizenSama]

A infinite instant huh.. I wonder if that's hyperbole.

On the fence about this.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Well, as far as I remember... Sunrider still try to hold on RL physics as much as possible...

Until they are directly stated the otherwise than that not change anything, like do we ever downplaying someone because of RL logic is not fit with their feats?

also seriously there are many people who got infinity speed because they can move in when time is stand still and we pretty much agree that time stop=infinity speed.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

A infinite instant huh.. I wonder if that's hyperbole.
On the fence about this.

Infinity speed can achieve that just fine.

 

[Yamatohime]

also seriously there are many people who got infinity speed because they can move in when time is stand still and we pretty much agree that time stop=infinity speed.

The time is stopped for the user all right. But it happens only on the border of lightspeed/FTL...

 

[LordAizenSama]

Honestly i'm leaning towards Yamato's interpretation of this, I get a Sci-Fi feel from the way the sentences describe it, thinking FTL is a better choice.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Any toriko character than do FTL just by slowing down the time for them self...

 

[Yamatohime]

Any toriko character than do FTL just by slowing down the time for them self...

By backwinding time. =)

 

[Primaris_Brian]

also seriously there are many people who got infinity speed because they can move in when time is stand still and we pretty much agree that time stop=infinity speed.

The time is stopped for the user all right. But it happens only on the border of lightspeed/FTL...

which mean infinity since now they can move in stopped time.

what backwinding time?

 

[Yamatohime]

which mean infinity since now they can move in stopped time.

The observers will die... =)

what backwinding time?

Yeah... According to some theories... When you move FTL in "normal" space you will start to move backward in timeflow.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

The observers will die... =)
Yeah... According to some theories... When you move FTL in "normal" space you will start to move backward in timeflow.

They not died, they still fighting, in stopped time, also do you read toriko or not? since your statement is absolutely make no sense in toriko verse, they slow down the time one month to 1 second(for neo) not move backward in timeflow.

 

[LordAizenSama]

The fact that the sentences describes it as speed that surpasses the universe's limit, and it's pretty commonly accepted that the Speed of light is the speed limit of the universe, in conjunction with the infinite instant statement (which you would feel at lightspeed) surely isn't just a coincidence, i'm thinking.

 

[OwariNepgear]

I'm a neutral one here, so i'm gonna tell what i know.

I believe Love In Space (The company which in charge of Sunrider) really want to stick with RL AMAP.

Most of spaceships in-game can instantly move from a planet in this Solar System to another planet in another Solar System via warp hole (Like Star Treek's warp, i believe)

The strongest spaceship in this game is only Planet level i believe, and the fastest Ryder (Gundam-like) can only move 2/3 of a planet as big as Jupiter in the background in battle within 1 turn (without any upgrade). 1 turn in this game must be 1/3 of 5 mins because Enemy's strongest spaceship need 5 mins to charge its vanguard cannon, which means 3 turn in game.

But, there are some special ability, just like Sola's 1-eye awakening, allow her to react faster (She can see a laser beam move very slow during her awakening). And AFAIK, there's a character with Questionable Reality Warp and Time Manipulation. So, i can't tell if this one is a Sci-fi or Fantasy, yet.

 

[Yamatohime]

We are talking about IRL theories about speed and timeflow.

Well... It can be described like these:

First: For observers those who reach lightspeed... Will move at lightspeed. But for those who move at such speed - timeflow is stopped.

Second: If the first is true... Then observer will die in instant for those who move at lightspeed.

Third: But if you move lightspeed + lim->+/-0 (flicker between border) you movement will looks like infinite instant and observers will not die. But for speed purposes it is lightspeed + lim->0 (+/-0).

 

[Primaris_Brian]

The fact that the sentences describes it as speed that surpasses the universe's limit, and it's pretty commonly accepted that the Speed of light is the speed limit of the universe, in conjunction with the infinite instant statement (which you would feel at lightspeed) surely isn't just a coincidence, i'm thinking.

how? since when that Speed of light= infinity in speed?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

We are talking about IRL theories about speed and timeflow.
Well... It can be described like these:

First: For observers those who reach lightspeed... Will move at lightspeed. But for those who move at such speed - timeflow is stopped.

Second: If the first is true... Then observer will die in instant for those who move at lightspeed.

Third: But if you move lightspeed + lim->+/-0 (flicker between border) you movement will looks like infinite instant and observers will not die. But for speed purposes it is lightspeed + lim->0 (+/-0).

so they are lightspeed or what?

 

[Yamatohime]

They are lightspeed + lim(+/-)0.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

They are lightspeed + lim(+/-)0.

what does mean?

 

[Yamatohime]

They are lightspeed + lim(+/-)0.

what does mean?

What it mathematicaly means.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I'm a neutral one here, so i'm gonna tell what i know.
I believe Love In Space (The company which in charge of Sunrider) really want to stick with RL AMAP.

Most of spaceships in-game can instantly move from a planet in this Solar System to another planet in another Solar System via warp hole (Like Star Treek's warp, i believe)

then they are infinity, since otherwise their statement above will be nothing special.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

What it mathematicaly means.

what does mean? FTL or what?simplify it.

 

[Yamatohime]

I'm a neutral one here, so i'm gonna tell what i know.
I believe Love In Space (The company which in charge of Sunrider) really want to stick with RL AMAP.

Most of spaceships in-game can instantly move from a planet in this Solar System to another planet in another Solar System via warp hole (Like Star Treek's warp, i believe)

then they are infinity, since otherwise their statement above will be nothing special.

Warp is basicaly movement in 5D space-time. But the ship is moving slower compared to lightspeed.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Warp is basicaly movement in 5D space-time.

But not completely, since otherwise their speed will be immeasurable.

 

[Yamatohime]

what does mean? FTL or what?simplify it.

It means light speed ┬▒ infinite small speed.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

what does mean? FTL or what?simplify it.

It means light speed ┬▒ infinite small speed.

then infinity since timeflow is stopped for them.

 

[OwariNepgear]

@Jim: No, not their speed but warp hole ~.~ And they can't use warp hole in fight ~.~

And i believe, Yama's lightspeed + lim->0 means Lightspeed plus a random number between infinity an 0?

 

[Yamatohime]

then infinity since timeflow is stopped for them.

Nope. For observers they move at lightspeed.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

On the fence between immeasurable and infinite, however I am more lenient towards Immeasurable due to them breaking apart their universe's laws via swinging their weapons.

 

[Yamatohime]

And i believe, Yama's lightspeed + lim->0 means Lightspeed plus a random number between infinity an 0?

No it means ┬▒ infninitly small speed as close to zero as possible.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Nope. For observers they move at lightspeed.

but arcording to you time is stopped at such speed.

@Jim: No, not their speed but warp hole ~.~ And they can't use warp hole in fight ~.~

so this is like their first time achive such speed in combat?

 

[OwariNepgear]

Somehow, i have the feeling that Jim is reading the feats as (the one who is fighting right now)'s POV while Yama is reading the feats as the observer's POV...