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This thread may affect Black Clover, but is not only about it so I named it after the ability in question. Without further ado,
Recently and in a thread about the verse of Black Clover and its immortality, a debate happened regarding the requirements needed to be indexed Immortality Type 8 - Reliant Immortality.
In this thread, it was argued by the OP that characters of this verse should be indexed with REGENERATION instead of IMMORTALITY TYPE 8, as they survive from just their hearts remaining, then regenerate. It was argued as well that the verse has statements where the demons cannot die so long as their heart remains.
It was counter argued that "surviving from just said heart" was being "reliant on their heart" and so because they survive as long as their heart remains it is immortality type 8.
To that, the counter-argument provided was that "the heart is still a part of themselves", and if a character can be granted type 8 because they "regenerate and can't die as long as their heart exists", then any character with regeneration of that level or higher should be granted type 8 immortality (regenerates from their soul, a Cell, a small part of the body, an atom...).
Furthermore, it was argued that type 8 immortality by nature, comes from any kind of external source that is independent from the character's being or a part of them (like the heart) and so it should be regeneration.
To that, the other side argued that this is not true and that guideline is non-existent and nowhere in the page is that implied, being instead just an assumption. As well, it was said that the examples for type 8 immortality aren't exactly the guidelines for what kind of reliance qualifies so much as just some popular pages that have it. And so, shouldn't be use as guidelines for how to index it.
THE WIKI'S DESCRIPTION ON TYPE 8 IMMORTALITY IS AS FOLLOWS:
8: Reliant Immortality: The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained. Simply having some weakness that will kill a character when exploited doesn't qualify if it doesn't grant a form of Immortality, and also having other powers that do grant Immortality but are unrelated to that weakness does not count as well. It is discouraged to list this type if it would be redundant due to the same power already being described in another ability of the profile.
What are this wiki's guidelines on Immortality Type 8, in this situation? Can a character indeed have it from surviving only from their heart and regenerating so long as that part of them is alive? Or is that regeneration? And if it's indeed immortality and not regeneration, why do characters who can regenerate from atoms, cells or other similarly small parts of themselves do not qualify?
This thread may affect Black Clover, but is not only about it so I named it after the ability in question. Without further ado,
Recently and in a thread about the verse of Black Clover and its immortality, a debate happened regarding the requirements needed to be indexed Immortality Type 8 - Reliant Immortality.
In this thread, it was argued by the OP that characters of this verse should be indexed with REGENERATION instead of IMMORTALITY TYPE 8, as they survive from just their hearts remaining, then regenerate. It was argued as well that the verse has statements where the demons cannot die so long as their heart remains.
It was counter argued that "surviving from just said heart" was being "reliant on their heart" and so because they survive as long as their heart remains it is immortality type 8.
To that, the counter-argument provided was that "the heart is still a part of themselves", and if a character can be granted type 8 because they "regenerate and can't die as long as their heart exists", then any character with regeneration of that level or higher should be granted type 8 immortality (regenerates from their soul, a Cell, a small part of the body, an atom...).
Furthermore, it was argued that type 8 immortality by nature, comes from any kind of external source that is independent from the character's being or a part of them (like the heart) and so it should be regeneration.
To that, the other side argued that this is not true and that guideline is non-existent and nowhere in the page is that implied, being instead just an assumption. As well, it was said that the examples for type 8 immortality aren't exactly the guidelines for what kind of reliance qualifies so much as just some popular pages that have it. And so, shouldn't be use as guidelines for how to index it.
THE WIKI'S DESCRIPTION ON TYPE 8 IMMORTALITY IS AS FOLLOWS:
8: Reliant Immortality: The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained. Simply having some weakness that will kill a character when exploited doesn't qualify if it doesn't grant a form of Immortality, and also having other powers that do grant Immortality but are unrelated to that weakness does not count as well. It is discouraged to list this type if it would be redundant due to the same power already being described in another ability of the profile.
- Examples: Lucemon - reliant on malice in the hearts of men (Digimon), Voldemort - reliant on Horcruxes (Wizarding World), AIM Burst - reliant on the Level Upper Network (To Aru Majutsu No Index), Kracko - reliant on clouds and the sky (Kirby), Chara - reliant on the desire to kill (Undertale)
What are this wiki's guidelines on Immortality Type 8, in this situation? Can a character indeed have it from surviving only from their heart and regenerating so long as that part of them is alive? Or is that regeneration? And if it's indeed immortality and not regeneration, why do characters who can regenerate from atoms, cells or other similarly small parts of themselves do not qualify?
