Question about layered NEP for WuKong

[Orioreeem]

Nonexistence in Non-Nonexistence (Everything existent in JTTW contains nonexistence.) < Void/Nonexistence/Nonexistent Spirits (Basic nonexistence.) < Transcendent Monks (Transduality Nonexistence) < Void of Void (Recursion of nonexistence within nonexistence (infinite) ) < Bodhisattva Emptiness/first stop (Every Bodihssatva is Nonexistent by nature and goes through ten stages while approaching true emptiness each superior to the last on each stage. Still has Transdual NEP as well.) < 2nd stop < 3rd stop < 4th stop < 5th stop < 6th stop < 7th stop < 8th stop < 9th stop < 10th stop < Buddha Emptiness/Great Void (True Emptiness beyond the false nonexistence of what came before it and everything existent and nonexistent.) < Dharmakaya (Existing beyond the state of True Emptiness as the only Real Void/Formless thing, nondual superior to transduality.)
This is apparently a scaling chain for Sun Wukong NEP.
The weird thing is here
Void of Void (Recursion of nonexistence within nonexistence (infinite) ). OK this is infinite but how are other stages above this? Infinity+10=infinity. Obviously they are superior nonexistence but so is every nonexistence in Void of Void, hence still just infinite layers of NEP, not anything above.

 

[Orioreeem]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Nonexistence, Voids & Voids of Voids are separated from Emptiness by a R > F difference, so the gap is larger than infinity.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Accept that Journey To The West includes infinite hierarchies. Cowards.

 

[Orioreeem]

Then just like all other abilities that's just higher D NEP so it loses those infinite layers of lower D

Nonexistence, Voids & Voids of Voids are separated from Emptiness by a R > F difference, so the gap is larger than infinity.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Then just like all other abilities that's just higher D NEP so it loses those infinite layers of lower D

Ye, it's mostly for clout and bragging rights.

 

[Orioreeem]

So I expect that the number of layers is different depending on which key is used so what is the number of layers on all his keys?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Following

 

[Tatsumi504]

Following

 

[Orioreeem]

Would his acausality and transduality be layered as well?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Would his acausality and transduality be layered as well?

His Acausality & Transduality is layered like 12 times over.

 

[Tatsumi504]

His Acausality & Transduality is layered like 12 times over.

Thought things like NEP and Acasuality weren't tied to dimensions

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Thought things like NEP and Acasuality weren't tied to dimensions

Usually. Though some certain verses allow it to happen.

 

[Orioreeem]

Thought things like NEP and Acasuality weren't tied to dimensions

NEP is tied to dimensions now Acausality isn't

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Thought things like NEP and Acasuality weren't tied to dimensions

NEP isn't unless specifically stated, Emptiness just has an R > F difference over Infinite Recursions of Voids.

As for their Acausality, it's less dimensional tiering and just a chain of them being superior to the last in every way.

 

[Tatsumi504]

As for their Acausality, it's less dimensional tiering and just a chain of them being superior to the last in every way.

Does this mean normal/baseline NPI for Aca 5 has no effect on them?

 

[Tatsumi504]

NEP is tied to dimensions now

Since when?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Does this mean normal/baseline NPI for Aca 5 has no effect on them?

There is no consensus on how layered Aca 5, NEP, and TD really work from what I'm aware of. But the negation of Aca 5, Nep, and TD would need to be as layered.

 

[Tatsumi504]

There is no consensus on how layered Aca 5, NEP, and TD really work from what I'm aware of. But the negation of Aca 5, Nep, and TD would need to be as layered.

I say just yet the profile. Layered acasuality 5 doesn't really make sense unless its a scaling chain

 

[Orioreeem]

Since when?

Since DT made a thread about it

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I say just yet the profile. Layered acasuality 5 doesn't really make sense unless its a scaling chain

It is layered, Transcendent Monks (Have their causality abolished when they transcend the world and view the yin-yang which controls and represents all dualities and dyadic models as unreality) > Bodhisattva's 10 Layers above that > Buddha's even further above that

 

[Tatsumi504]

It is layered, Transcendent Monks (Have their causality abolished when they transcend the world and view the yin-yang which controls and represents all dualities and dyadic models as unreality) > Bodhisattva's 10 Layers above that > Buddha's even further above that

So its basically like a type 4 acasuality scaling chain? That's how I understand it.
Something like character A has fate manip that works on B who's acasual 4 and resists fate manip that works on C (also aca4) who resists fate manip that works on D, something like that?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So its basically like a type 4 acasuality scaling chain? That's how I understand it.
Something like character A has fate manip that works on B who's acasual 4 and resists fate manip that works on C (also aca4) who resists fate manip that works on D, something like that?

Basically

 

[Tatsumi504]

Huh, busted as hell.

 

[Tatsumi504]

And I thought madoka was special

 

[Greatsage13th]

And I thought madoka was special

Nah, she's in the nursery compared to that.