Question about abstract being and non-existent being.

[Seventy96]

Does abstract beings like Lucemon or Dan Hibiki, have body, mind and soul? Why? Why not? How this work?

If character is completely non existent being, how he gets mind haxed? If i remember correctly, Homura can do that to that kind of character.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

>Lucemon or Dan Hibiki

>Dan Hibiki

Ummmm.....

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Aren't you aware of the one being Lucemon fears? The Dan Hibiki? Lucemon shudders at the thought of Dan struggling to throw him over his shoulder.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Is that fear or pity?

 

[Phoenix821]

Dan Hibiki is the true name of God

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Dan Hibiki, Destroyer of Worlds.

 

[FateAlbane]

If character is completely non existent being, how he gets mind haxed? If i remember correctly, Homura can do that to that kind of character.

All jokes aside, they're usually immune to conventional mind, soul and direct application of matter hax at this point.

Much like you can't matter manipulate something that isn't made of matter, you also can't mind or soul manipulate someone (or something) where these traits are non-existent.

...Unless the character has displayed feats of affecting comparable levels of abstract/non-existent minds. IIRC Homura qualifies since she mindhaxxed Madoka and can fully interact with Non-Existent beings, mind included.

 

[Tman766]

@Fate

Would being an Abstract Being grant auto resistance to Mind, Matter, Soul hax (Assuming it's just the regular conventional types and not the ones that Homura or Bolas has)??

 

[Tman766]

Since we're on this topic, which type of Erasure is more powerful? Abstract Erasure or Non-Existence erasure?

 

[FateAlbane]

1. Guess that depends on the Abstract, so case by case.

Conventional and direct applications of Matter manip are usualy out of the table as if it's a purely conceptual being I don't see why anyone would be able to matter manip it.

Mind and Soul...May be a different story. Since depending on the series and how they treat the abstract beings, they may fulfill the recquirements for the power while actually still being shown to have minds and souls of their own.

2. Case by case too. That depends more on how adept the user is with one or another power than the power by itself.

 

[FateAlbane]

Aren't you aware of the one being Lucemon fears? The Dan Hibiki? Lucemon shudders at the thought of Dan struggling to throw him over his shoulder.

This talk made me realize that the one victory in Dan's profile is invalid.

Really, check out the thread.

There was no actual completion there, but somehow it was added anyways.

Apparently more of the few people there were voting for the troopers too, but somehow it was added as Dan's victory.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

But...that's the only match left over from the old VSBW ovo

 

[FateAlbane]

>>> Sees the above conversation

>>> Creates Dan vs Lucemon

>>> Not Fun and Games

>>> Everyone says "Lucemon stomp"

>>> Match closed.

>>> Still gets added, but is notable victory for Dan

>>> You don't question the powers of THE Dan Hibiki.

 

[Phoenix821]

I looked it up and the match with the stormtroopes was added I believe here?

 

[Kaltias]

...Unless the character has displayed feats of affecting comparable levels of abstract/non-existent minds. IIRC Homura qualifies since she mindhaxxed Madoka and can fully interact with Non-Existent beings, mind included.

Actually, Homura can "only" mind hax abstracts, not people with a nonexistent mind.

She can likely interact with nonexistent beings (like Madoka) but she can't mind hax nonexistent minds yet