PvZ: Speed Revision

[Ednaxel2]

Reasoning​

The verse is filled with many lightning-based characters, with some being able to perform cloud-to-ground lightning feats (these are described as storm clouds) and even Power Chomper has a speed upgrade called "Lightning Speed" that lets him move nearly at this speed of lightning". This should consistently make lightning based plants like Lightning Reed and Power Chomper Massively Hypersonic+.
Added on by @JustANormalLemon:

Spoiler

I mean, we already have consistent Hypersonic speeds with the likes of meteor flower attacks

Meteor Flower

Out of this world molten mayhem! But first... coffee!!Meteor Flower's Almanac entry Meteor Flower is a plant in Plants vs. Zombies 2 introduced in the 10.0.1 update for the Meteoric Cataclysm! Arena season. It shoots two projectiles from the sky at zombies which deals splash damage on a 1x3...

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And electricity based attacks are very common on the franchise

Electric plants

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

Other examples of lightning that actually naturally comes from the sky

Electrobolt

Electrobolt is a super-rare zombie superpower trick card in Plants vs. Zombies Heroes and a member of the Crazy class. It costs 1 to play, and its ability does 3 damage to a selected plant. Its plant counterpart is Meteor Strike. Its name may be inspired by the Magic Power of the same name from...

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

Stayin' Alive

Stayin' Alive is Electric Boogaloo's premium legendary zombie signature superpower trick card in Plants vs. Zombies Heroes and a member of the Beastly and Crazy classes. It costs 1 to play, and its ability does 3 damage to a plant and heals the zombie hero for 3. Its name is a reference to the...

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And we also have more meteor action

Meteor Strike

Meteor Strike is a super-rare plant superpower trick card in Plants vs. Zombies Heroes and a member of the class. It costs 1 to play, and its ability does 3 damage to a selected zombie fighter. Its zombie counterpart is Electrobolt. It is based on a meteor, also known as a shooting star, which...

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

How this affects the scaling​

All lightning based plants would get Massively Hypersonic+ attack speed. Power Chomper has Massively Hypersonic speed, due to his previous statement about being near the speed of lightning (should be >50%) with the other heroes, spawnables and bosses scaling comparably to him.

(Only counting staff votes)

Agree: Sir_Ovens, Dereck03

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Tllmbrg]

The verse is filled with many lightning-based characters, with some being able to perform cloud-to-ground lightning feats

The second two scans don't work

 

[Ednaxel2]

The second two scans don't work

Fixed it

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Do we know if these cloud to ground lightning strikes are natural?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Do we know if these cloud to ground lightning strikes are natural?

It's conjured/made by the plants but they're still labelled as "storm clouds" not sure if that counts you be the judge

 

[JustANormalLemon]

the conjured ones are 100% not natural lol.


But I would say chomper ability + the sheer amount of eletricity based attacks in the franchise makes up for that

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Not really knowledgeable on PvZ but that lightning speed statement is pretty blatant

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Not really knowledgeable on PvZ but that lightning speed statement is pretty blatant

I mean, we alread have consistent Hypersonic with the likes of meteor flower attacks

Meteor Flower

Out of this world molten mayhem! But first... coffee!!Meteor Flower's Almanac entry Meteor Flower is a plant in Plants vs. Zombies 2 introduced in the 10.0.1 update for the Meteoric Cataclysm! Arena season. It shoots two projectiles from the sky at zombies which deals splash damage on a 1x3...

vsbattles.fandom.com

And eletricity based attacks are very common on the franchise

Electric plants

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

I wouldn't say It's that much of a outlier

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Electrobolt

Electrobolt is a super-rare zombie superpower trick card in Plants vs. Zombies Heroes and a member of the Crazy class. It costs 1 to play, and its ability does 3 damage to a selected plant. Its plant counterpart is Meteor Strike. Its name may be inspired by the Magic Power of the same name from...

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

Stayin' Alive

Stayin' Alive is Electric Boogaloo's premium legendary zombie signature superpower trick card in Plants vs. Zombies Heroes and a member of the Beastly and Crazy classes. It costs 1 to play, and its ability does 3 damage to a plant and heals the zombie hero for 3. Its name is a reference to the...

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

other exemples, thouse are lightning that actually comes from the sky trough

we also have more meteor action

Meteor Strike

Meteor Strike is a super-rare plant superpower trick card in Plants vs. Zombies Heroes and a member of the class. It costs 1 to play, and its ability does 3 damage to a selected zombie fighter. Its zombie counterpart is Electrobolt. It is based on a meteor, also known as a shooting star, which...

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

any way, hypersonic and massive hypersonic isn't a water PvZ never stepped the foot on

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bumpy bump

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I'd be okay with this revision getting accepted.

 

[Ednaxel2]

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Sorry for tagging you two but would you please give your input?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump for the night

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump for the morning

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Thinking now, thw addtions are probable fine for projectile and attack speed, but do we have any other evidence of movement speed and reaction speed?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Thinking now, thw addtions are probable fine for projectile and attack speed, but do we have any other evidence of movement speed and reaction speed?

The heroes can react to every electric attack in the game when they use the super block meter, electric attacks being all the plant/zombie cards and Electric Boogaloo

 

[JustANormalLemon]

The heroes can react to every electric attack in the game when they use the super block meter, electric attacks being all the plant/zombie cards and Electric Boogaloo

Do we know if the super block is automatic or not? and they can be aim blocking too(also, eletric Boogaloo can't attack the oponent direct with any of his superpowers)

not to mention they need to be hitted at least 3 times before beinga ble to block something with the super block meter

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Electrobolt

Electrobolt is a super-rare zombie superpower trick card in Plants vs. Zombies Heroes and a member of the Crazy class. It costs 1 to play, and its ability does 3 damage to a selected plant. Its plant counterpart is Meteor Strike. Its name may be inspired by the Magic Power of the same name from...

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

Stayin' Alive

Stayin' Alive is Electric Boogaloo's premium legendary zombie signature superpower trick card in Plants vs. Zombies Heroes and a member of the Beastly and Crazy classes. It costs 1 to play, and its ability does 3 damage to a plant and heals the zombie hero for 3. Its name is a reference to the...

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

other exemples, thouse are lightning that actually comes from the sky trough

Can anyone react to these attacks in the game?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Can anyone react to these attacks in the game?

Nah

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Nah

It´s so over PVZ bros...

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I think i can agree with "Possibly/Likely Massively Hypersonic+"

 

[Ednaxel2]

Do we know if the super block is automatic or not?

The characters have animations guarding themselves to form the super block meter, this is a reaction speed feat

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I think i can agree with "Possibly/Likely Massively Hypersonic+"

I disagree, this should just scale to the verse projectiles and attacks sinse mostly all attacks in the verse travel at similar speed and in the shooters you basically can't really dodge projectiles and there is basically no "dodge" mechanic in any of the games, so ever attack being to fast for anyone to react makes sense to me(trough this would obviousl only apply to PVZ heroes and the shooters)

The characters have animations guarding themselves to form the super block meter, this is a reaction speed feat

Aim blocking then

 

[Ednaxel2]

Aim blocking then

wdym by "aim blocking"?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

wdym by "aim blocking"?

Projectile Dodging Feats

There will be times where you will see a character reacting to, or sometimes outright dodging various projectiles, such as arrows, bullets, and even something much, much faster. Thus, in order to calculate how fast one must move in order to dodge incoming projectiles, there are a couple of...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I disagree, this should just scale to the verse projectiles and attacks sinse mostly all attacks in the verse travel at similar speed and in the shooters you basically can't really dodge projectiles and there is basically no "dodge" mechanic in any of the games, so ever attack being to fast for anyone to react makes sense to me(trough this would obviousl only apply to PVZ heroes and the shooters)

DId you quote the wrong person or....

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Probable

 

[Ednaxel2]

Projectile Dodging Feats

There will be times where you will see a character reacting to, or sometimes outright dodging various projectiles, such as arrows, bullets, and even something much, much faster. Thus, in order to calculate how fast one must move in order to dodge incoming projectiles, there are a couple of...

vsbattles.fandom.com

This isn't aim dodging, the animation happens after the attack has been done

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This isn't aim dodging, the animation happens after the attack has been done

Okay, game mechanics then

 

[Ednaxel2]

Okay, game mechanics then

Maybe? I'm not too, sure since it's not in anything outside of the game apart from promotional material like trailers, but still idk. I think just having hero/gw characters have MHS speed by being comparable to Electric Chomper is good enough, and only have electric based characters have their attack speeds at MHS+

 

[JustANormalLemon]

meh, I don't have more to add to this debate

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump, I also slightly changed the proposal in the op

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Yee, I can agree with how It is now

 

[Ednaxel2]

Bump

 

[Ednaxel2]

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[Ednaxel2]

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