Punching a hole through 1 universe into another

[TheUnshakableOne]

What is the tier for when a character can punch a hole from 1 universe to another in a 2-A cosmology?

I heard that destroying a boundry between 2 universes is 2-C.

What's the wiki logic behind that too? Why is it that tier?

 

[Metalballrun]

Think that needs more context. Like the MCU has a 2-A or Low 1-C cosmology and people who are definitely not anywhere near Tier 2 have been involved in punching a hole through two universes and repairing said hole.
It could just be space(time) hax or an unquantifiable strength feat.
Cosmologies also differ even if rated in the same tier in the wiki.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Think that needs more context. Like the MCU has a 2-A or Low 1-C cosmology and people who are definitely not anywhere near Tier 2 have been involved in punching a hole through two universes and repairing said hole.
It could just be space(time) hax or an unquantifiable strength feat.
Cosmologies also differ even if rated in the same tier in the wiki.

I've seen some characters get rated tier 2-C for it. Then I've seen some just get hax only, and some just get interdimensional range.

Seems like the wiki doesn't have a solid standard for it imo

 

[Metalballrun]

Yeah it's entirely case-by-case. Like some stories might say "Hurr durr you need the powah of le big bang to punch a hole and cross to another universe" and other stories won't treat it nearly as impressive, despite all said stories having similar cosmological constructs.

 

[Rabbit2002]

I think it won't fall on any tier with just a hole of unknown size

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I think it won't fall on any tier with just a hole of unknown size

Let's sat hoke was planet sized

 

[Rabbit2002]

There is a character that can punch and open a hole through multiple universes but at best it only achieves portal creation

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

There is a character that can punch and open a hole through multiple universes but at best it only achieves portal creation

The character I had in mind was shown physically the direction/Shockwave of the punch blasting a hole through the universe and moving through the Gap between universes and 3 pages later hit and went through another universe.

 

[Rabbit2002]

Let's sat hoke was planet sized

The character I had in mind was shown physically the direction/Shockwave of the punch blasting a hole through the universe and moving through the Gap between universes and 3 pages later hit and went through another universe.

Well, I think it still counts as 2-A range for space-time manip or portal creation rather than 2-A for AP stuff

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Don't think it's 2A, but rather a 2C range with portal creation hax atleast

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah this shouldn't really be ap, its more hax and spatial manip than anything.

 

[KLOL506]

There is a character that can punch and open a hole through multiple universes but at best it only achieves portal creation

This is just range.

For this to be Tier 2 in AP as well you'd need to rock the ever-loving crap out of the entire space-time continuum/s, not just create portals in between them.

Like Infinity Ultron vs Watcher. Or Superboy-Prime's retcon punches.

 

[Planck69]

This is just Portal Creation/Dimensional Travel with 2-C range on its own.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

This is just Portal Creation/Dimensional Travel with 2-C range on its own.

Wouldn't it be interdimensional range since it's not affecting the entirety of the 2 ir more universes? Also why 2-C range and not 2-A?

 

[Planck69]

Wouldn't it be interdimensional range since it's not affecting the entirety of the 2 ir more universes? Also why 2-C range and not 2-A?

Yeah, Interdimensional range.

Also, why would it be 2-A? Its just one universe to another, the overall cosmology doesn't change that.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, punching a tear in fabric that simply forms a portal to another universe is more range rather than AP. If it was a portal that basically grows and you started punching a timeline so hard it fused into another time, that would perhaps be 2-C.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Yeah, Interdimensional range.

Also, why would it be 2-A? Its just one universe to another, the overall cosmology doesn't change that.

Assume the Shockwave if the punch was shown traveling through the gap between universes and there was an unstated time frame do like 2 to 4 pages or chapters go by and it shown hitting another universe and going straight through it and still moving through a 2-A cosmology

Random example not any verse specific thing there

 

[Planck69]

Assume the Shockwave if the punch was shown traveling through the gap between universes and there was an unstated time frame do like 2 to 4 pages or chapters go by and it shown hitting another universe and going straight through it and still moving through a 2-A cosmology

Random example not any verse specific thing there

That's still just Interdimensional. Idk why you keep bringing up the cosmology. Either it's fully affected in some way (the shockwaves travelling through the whole cosmology maybe), which would give it the full range. Or not.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

That's still just Interdimensional. Idk why you keep bringing up the cosmology. Either it's fully affected in some way (the shockwaves travelling through the whole cosmology maybe), which would give it the full range. Or not.

I bring it up because when there's infinite universes involved with distance traveled and its not stated where this other universe is relative to where it started. It could be infinite universes away, or it could be 6 universes next door.

Still not affecting the entirety of the 2-A cosmology, but wouldn't it be like 2-A Interdimensional range?

Rephrase: Interdimensional range on a 2-A scale?*

 

[Planck69]

I bring it up because when there's infinite universes involved with distance traveled and its not stated where this other universe is relative to where it started. It could be infinite universes away, or it could be 6 universes next door.

Still not affecting the entirety of the 2-A cosmology, but wouldn't it be like 2-A Interdimensional range?

Rephrase: Interdimensional range on a 2-A scale?*

......???? No. By that logic any inter-dimensional travel/feat would scale to the full cosmology, which we know isn't true.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

......???? No. By that logic any inter-dimensional travel/feat would scale to the full cosmology, which we know isn't true.

Ah I was probably misunderstanding what Interdimensional range a little then.

 

[Hasty12345]

What if it was shown the borders between universes needed attacks with demonstrably big bang levels of attack potency to be pierced, would such a feat allow for other feats that do the same thing to be quantifiable?

 

[KLOL506]

I mean, that's hyper-specific and could be 3-A to Low 2-C depending on whether Big Bangs in the verse create only the space or all of space-time, but that isn't gonna be the case for all of fiction.

 

[Planck69]

What if it was shown the borders between universes needed attacks with demonstrably big bang levels of attack potency to be pierced, would such a feat allow for other feats that do the same thing to be quantifiable?

At that point you just have a stated 3-A/Low 2-C feat?

"Destroying this magical sphere needs enough power to blow up Mars."

"What level of feat is this?"

Like, why not lead with that lol