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Prototype Verse Revisions
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@unite my rice
this is a question about the bomb resistant building, can you go in depth for it being town level, this isn't spam, this isn't an arguement, i just want to ask this, i can't find an in depth reason, or was this feat just a supporting feat, like a city level character destroying buildings?
this is a question about the bomb resistant building, can you go in depth for it being town level, this isn't spam, this isn't an arguement, i just want to ask this, i can't find an in depth reason, or was this feat just a supporting feat, like a city level character destroying buildings?
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@Shrek
It's in my blog under Prototype 1 scaling.
It's in my blog under Prototype 1 scaling.
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The scaling seems fine for the most part.
However, as for Alex's page, I'm going to be blunt.
The Powers and Abilities section is a mess.
A lot of those things would be better listed under attacks and techniques or feats and you could clean up a ton of the descriptions.
However, as for Alex's page, I'm going to be blunt.
The Powers and Abilities section is a mess.
A lot of those things would be better listed under attacks and techniques or feats and you could clean up a ton of the descriptions.
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I figured as much, that can be done, no prob. :^)
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I've edited it again, though I don't know how much I need to reduce the content by.
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@Ant
Is the profile good? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Unite_My_Rice/Alex_Mercer_Profile
Is the profile good? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Unite_My_Rice/Alex_Mercer_Profile
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It mostly looks fine, but I am uncertain about the Attack Potency justifications:
"Town level (Defeated and consumed Elizabeth Greene, who could fortify a building beyond 8-A level of AP to the point where the strongest thermobaric missile could only breach the wall, Defeated the Supreme Hunter who could challenge him after absorbing Greene) | At least Town level, City level with amps (Should've gotten stronger since the last game, amplified his abilities by consuming 8 Evolved to fight Heller, can create multiple powerful infected, such as Goliaths and Juggernauts)"
They do not seem straightforward easy to understand.
"Town level (Defeated and consumed Elizabeth Greene, who could fortify a building beyond 8-A level of AP to the point where the strongest thermobaric missile could only breach the wall, Defeated the Supreme Hunter who could challenge him after absorbing Greene) | At least Town level, City level with amps (Should've gotten stronger since the last game, amplified his abilities by consuming 8 Evolved to fight Heller, can create multiple powerful infected, such as Goliaths and Juggernauts)"
They do not seem straightforward easy to understand.
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@Antvasima
Let me try rewriting them:
Town level (Defeated and consumed Elizabeth Greene, whose powers allowed her to fortify a building to the point that it could withstand a direct impact from a thermobaric missile. Killed the Supreme Hunter, which would have survived the nuclear warhead being sent to destroy New York City) | At least Town level, possibly higher (Should be stronger than before due to losing all inhibitions on consuming biomass, absorbed his eight remaining Evolved, who are powerful enough to briefly contest James Heller, prior to their battle)
Let me try rewriting them:
Town level (Defeated and consumed Elizabeth Greene, whose powers allowed her to fortify a building to the point that it could withstand a direct impact from a thermobaric missile. Killed the Supreme Hunter, which would have survived the nuclear warhead being sent to destroy New York City) | At least Town level, possibly higher (Should be stronger than before due to losing all inhibitions on consuming biomass, absorbed his eight remaining Evolved, who are powerful enough to briefly contest James Heller, prior to their battle)
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I like my Supreme Hunter reasoning better. He stated he could only do that if he consumed Mercer. I also think Likely 7-B or Low 7-B suits him better for his amped form, since that puts him close to his Prototype 1, also since he can create things like Alpha Juggernauts, Goliaths, and Evolved, all of which Heller has consumed armies of, meanwhile Mercer only consumed 8 and got such a massive boost.
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I like Reppuzan's writing.
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Where are we backwards scaling from? The actual nuke durability feat would only apply to Heller after consuming Mercer since that's what Supreme Hunter stated (which is kinda irrelevant in P2), but also due to Alex's armored form which would've mitigated most of the damage (which I'm assuming they ditched to show a regen feat instead).
Heller himself was only late mid-game when Alex realized he couldn't kill him easily, and he consumed a Goliath right before that scene. Greene herself is town level in her Mother form, Supreme Hunter fought a post-Greene Mercer, and Mercer has been doing god knows what since the first game.
But besides Heller consuming an army of Mercer's infected (to which we only know Mercer consumed 8), Mercer was also a very major contributor to Heller's tendril devastator, which consumed all the infected in NYC.
Heller himself was only late mid-game when Alex realized he couldn't kill him easily, and he consumed a Goliath right before that scene. Greene herself is town level in her Mother form, Supreme Hunter fought a post-Greene Mercer, and Mercer has been doing god knows what since the first game.
But besides Heller consuming an army of Mercer's infected (to which we only know Mercer consumed 8), Mercer was also a very major contributor to Heller's tendril devastator, which consumed all the infected in NYC.
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I'm talking about scaling Mercer to the Supreme Hunter. If the Supreme Hunter was only going to survive the nuke after eating Mercer, and Mercer himself only barely survived as pile chunks after taking the blast, can we really give him Town level durability?
In addition, I just looked up the output of a Thermobaric weapon. The most powerful thermobaric explosive in history had an energy output of 49 tons of TNT, which is only around 8-B tops. It wouldn't justify a jump to 7-C.
Goliaths are the size of skyscrapers, so killing them alone without a feat from them wouldn't justify a Town level rating, much less a City level rating.
Consuming all of the infected in NYC isn't entirely impressive.
In addition, I just looked up the output of a Thermobaric weapon. The most powerful thermobaric explosive in history had an energy output of 49 tons of TNT, which is only around 8-B tops. It wouldn't justify a jump to 7-C.
Goliaths are the size of skyscrapers, so killing them alone without a feat from them wouldn't justify a Town level rating, much less a City level rating.
Consuming all of the infected in NYC isn't entirely impressive.
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Mercer in no way, shape, or form, scales to the SH, though the reverse is true. Regardless, the nuke itself was on the high end of 7-C, where the difference between the low end and high end is 17.5x.
Regarding the thermobaric bomb, "Their reliance on atmospheric oxygen makes them unsuitable for use underwater, at high altitude, and in adverse weather. They are however, considerably more destructive when used against field fortifications such as foxholes, tunnels, bunkers, and caves—partly due to the sustained blast wave, and partly by consuming the available oxygen inside."
I'm also assuming you've read at least that portion of my blog, where I went with the destruction of the building instead of the multiple thermobaric explosions that went off, since you can't assume all explosions are the same without knowing the chemical compositions.
Heller is the size of a human and can rip a Goliath's head clean off. Your point?
According to your standards? It's impressive when you have millions of infected, which include Juggernauts, Brawlers, Flyers, etc, and vaporizing them on contact at that. That adds up.
Regarding the thermobaric bomb, "Their reliance on atmospheric oxygen makes them unsuitable for use underwater, at high altitude, and in adverse weather. They are however, considerably more destructive when used against field fortifications such as foxholes, tunnels, bunkers, and caves—partly due to the sustained blast wave, and partly by consuming the available oxygen inside."
I'm also assuming you've read at least that portion of my blog, where I went with the destruction of the building instead of the multiple thermobaric explosions that went off, since you can't assume all explosions are the same without knowing the chemical compositions.
Heller is the size of a human and can rip a Goliath's head clean off. Your point?
According to your standards? It's impressive when you have millions of infected, which include Juggernauts, Brawlers, Flyers, etc, and vaporizing them on contact at that. That adds up.
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@Unite
Still not sure if we can scale the nuke to Mercer if Mercer himself was blasted to pieces by it. We scale durability based on how much force one is able to withstand without serious injury. I'm pretty sure being blasted to pieces counts as serious injury.
My point is that we can't arbitrarily scale everyone to Mercer and back for fighting Heller.
Still not sure if we can scale the nuke to Mercer if Mercer himself was blasted to pieces by it. We scale durability based on how much force one is able to withstand without serious injury. I'm pretty sure being blasted to pieces counts as serious injury.
My point is that we can't arbitrarily scale everyone to Mercer and back for fighting Heller.
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The nuke was not used for anything. Alex would already have his solidified durability from fighting Greene, and Supreme Hunter the first time. The only involvement that the nuke has in any scaling, is that SH said after consuming Mercer, he would withstand the nuke. Heller is undoubtedly stronger than SH, therefore, he would be able to withstand the nuke. An argument could be made than Mercer in his armored form could've taken way less damage, than just taking it straight on in base.
Other than that, the nuke has no impact on any scaling whatsoever.
To further reiterate, other than Supreme Hunter's statement about consuming Alex would grant the power to withstand the nuke, the nuke itself has 0 involvement in any scaling, unless we use the possession of Alex's armored form to possibly scale his durability from that.
Other than that, the nuke has no impact on any scaling whatsoever.
To further reiterate, other than Supreme Hunter's statement about consuming Alex would grant the power to withstand the nuke, the nuke itself has 0 involvement in any scaling, unless we use the possession of Alex's armored form to possibly scale his durability from that.
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- #105
The game has it that a thermobaric missile can completely fragment buildings of bases in-game. They're also much weaker above ground than inside a contained area. Realistically, Heller would be as dense as a white dwarf star at the end of P2.
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Thank you.
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@Repp :^)
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Well idk what you want me to do, we can't just deny that the whole base was destroyed by one, and call it impossible based on real life.
In Prototype 2, Operation Firehawk was an Op literally designed to destroy NYZ with a handful of helicopters with thermobaric rockets. It's highly unlikely that they would destroy NYC building by building, given that there are over a million buildings total, and so little ammunition.
In Prototype 2, Operation Firehawk was an Op literally designed to destroy NYZ with a handful of helicopters with thermobaric rockets. It's highly unlikely that they would destroy NYC building by building, given that there are over a million buildings total, and so little ammunition.
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But see with that argument, destroying NYZ with 10 or so missiles would 99.9% be higher than the explosions in Prototype 1, yet you didn't like that one based on real life facts, so why would you like this one?
This brings me back to saying we can't deny that it happened, due to fictional events that are loosely based on a real life concept not producing 100% realistic results.
Active known helicopters:
4 un-piloted
5 active
8 missiles per chopper = 8 * 9 = 72 missiles (of course you have infinite ammo per game mechanics)
Area of 19.506 km^2
19.506km^2 / 72 = 0.2709km^2
Radius = 293.64970316km^2
Which is about 2.4 kilotons, bringing us back to your original claim. I still think my method is best. Even if you wanted to lowball my calc to what was shown, half the building is still 8-A.
This brings me back to saying we can't deny that it happened, due to fictional events that are loosely based on a real life concept not producing 100% realistic results.
Active known helicopters:
4 un-piloted
5 active
8 missiles per chopper = 8 * 9 = 72 missiles (of course you have infinite ammo per game mechanics)
Area of 19.506 km^2
19.506km^2 / 72 = 0.2709km^2
Radius = 293.64970316km^2
Which is about 2.4 kilotons, bringing us back to your original claim. I still think my method is best. Even if you wanted to lowball my calc to what was shown, half the building is still 8-A.
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This is the only delay. :^)
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@Rep
I have EoG Heller at 7-B ƒæÇ
I have EoG Heller at 7-B ƒæÇ
