Pre-Genesis Archie Sonic vs. Janemba (Shin Budokai)

[The_real_cal_howard]

You already know the deal.

Sonic is running across the multiverse when Janemba sends him to the DB extended universe. When the two meet, the fight begins.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

I'll assume this is super sonic

In which case I'd give it to him since his aura cleanses evil Janemba approaching him alone would be fatal since he is evil energy that and his many haxxes

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah. He starts out in Super.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

janemba is faster so i would normally say he wins but he can't reality warp sonic out of existance as sonic is immune to that (that happened enejak tried but failed) so i say stalemate imho unless the super forms aura is like how gogeta beat him because he is good than sonic wins but will wait for other opinions

 

[Simone.conti.942]

janemba win

 

[Primaris_Brian]

aura that cleanses evil? so he basically like gogeta(the one who beat janemba) only much more hax, sonic stomps!

 

[SSJRyu1]

Well the extent of his aura is limited, to my knowledge he only used it to cleanse evil energy he brought into himself from the master emerald to avoid being taken under control by it like knuckles was, I haven't seen him utilize it offensively so that will only help protect him, not kill off Janemba. Although that would likely allow him to avoid being possessed or absorbed out of the gate like most opponents would, and he won't be stopped by just time or space manipulation either.

Although in the same breath Sonic has no way to actually kill Janemba, he has never destroyed a non corporeal being, especially one over multiple universes/timelines.

But that aside Janemba still wins imo using things like duplicates of Sonic himself and others to beat him down, reviving the dead to fight for him and controlling them etc. In the end Janemba can kill Sonic via duplicates and the dead, Sonic can't kill him to my knowledge.

 

[SomebodyData]

I'll give it to Janemba as long as he keeps his distance and attacks quickly, otherwise Super Sonic would super cleanse him

 

[孫悟空Son_Goku孫悟空]

Janemba wins via hax and nigh omnipresent

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

hmmm keep in mind janemba is evil so if he gets too close he might get cleasned like what gogeta did to him so it would matter if janemba's hax can finish sonic from a good distance

 

[孫悟空Son_Goku孫悟空]

5:1 for Janemba

Can this be added in Janembas Victories or we need still more votes

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

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[孫悟空Son_Goku孫悟空]

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Thank you for the information Cross

 

[SSJRyu1]

hmmm keep in mind janemba is evil so if he gets too close he might get cleasned like what gogeta did to him so it would matter if janemba's hax can finish sonic from a good distance

not quite how his aura works iirc, he only was able to cleanse energy from the master emerald that he absorbed into himself in order to not be taken over by it, he can't cleanse evil beings around him and evil energy in others around him is unaffected by him. So I don't think it is good for offence, even up close. Janemba's hax are hard to say, but he can certainly make clones of sonic or others, and resurrect the dead to get up close and personal even if sonic can resist his hax, but sonic has no way to kill janemba tbh since he exists all over multiple universes at once. imo janemba takes it, easy if his hax work up front, difficult if he has to use clones to beat down Sonic.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

not quite how his aura works iirc, he only was able to cleanse energy from the master emerald that he absorbed into himself in order to not be taken over by it, he can't cleanse evil beings around him and evil energy in others around him is unaffected by him. So I don't think it is good for offence, even up close. Janemba's hax are hard to say, but he can certainly make clones of sonic or others, and resurrect the dead to get up close and personal even if sonic can resist his hax, but sonic has no way to kill janemba tbh since he exists all over multiple universes at once. imo janemba takes it, easy if his hax work up front, difficult if he has to use clones to beat down Sonic.

Janemba has no feats to create a perfect clone of himself(he not create 2 of himself when the final battle against gogeta), so if sonic is as strong as him then he cant do that.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Also the way that he created fake Vegito then absorb him again indicate that the clones that he create is just a part on himself, otherwise why he dont just create 10 Vegeta and then absorb all of them to make him more powerful. someone in Yu Yu Hakusho do that, when he almost run out of power he just create 7 version on himself(his maximum clones) and then absorb then back to gain back his power.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Also the way that he created fake Vegito then absorb him again indicate that the clones that he create is just a part on himself, otherwise why he dont just create 10 Vegeta and then absorb all of them to make him more powerful. someone in Yu Yu Hakusho do that, when he almost run out of power he just create 7 version on himself(his maximum clones) and then absorb then back to gain back his power.

Janemba made at least 3 clones of himself overall with his evil energy and all his bodies were 2C level, even Gotenks who was able to warp multiple dimensions and erase Cell from the timeline was unable to even scratch a janemba body with repeated attacks. All these clones were beaten and the energy purified, he also made a Goku clone and Vegito clone as well and the Goku one was destroyed and purified as well, so we know he had more than enough energy to make several 2C level bodies at least, making one or two Sonics is logically not an issue.

So my stance hasn't changed.

 

[Naruto1080]

I agree, I think Janemba probably wins. Better speed, lots of hax, can just make copies of Sonic and Sonic can't kill a non corporeal being who is in multiple universes.

 

[KeybladeLegend22]

Super Sonic positive aura is will give Janemba a hard time because if he touched him he'll disintegrate. He's sadly gonna lose just like SSJGogeta did to him with Soul Punisher which is pure positive energy. Plus TISSG7Redgrave says is true this Super Sonic is immune to reality warping so that's another counterattack against Janemba. If Archie Sonic is even faster than the fastest DC hero of all time, then this will end instantly. I'm sorry. Base Sonic loses however if not careful. And the broken Ultra Sonic is unknown so he doesn't count.

 

[Naruto1080]

Super Sonic positive aura is will give Janemba a hard time because if he touched him he'll disintegrate. He's sadly gonna lose just like SSJGogeta did to him with Soul Punisher which is pure positive energy. Plus TISSG7Redgrave says is true this Super Sonic is immune to reality warping so that's another counterattack against Janemba. If Archie Sonic is even faster than the fastest DC hero of all time, then this will end instantly. I'm sorry. Base Sonic loses however if not careful. And the broken Ultra Sonic is unknown so he doesn't count.

Issue is Super sonic purifying aura never is shown to do that, it only purifies energy that sonic absorbed into himself, it never is shown to be used offensively like that, even when fighting evil people it doesn't hurt them up close.

Also Janemba is still non corporeal so sonic can't kill him, and he is nigh omnipresent so actually the faster of the two as crazy as it is, and he can just make a copy of sonic to kill him even if his other hax don't work.

 

[KeybladeLegend22]

Issue is Super sonic purifying aura never is shown to do that, it only purifies energy that sonic absorbed into himself, it never is shown to be used offensively like that. Also Janemba is still non corporeal so sonic can't kill him, and he can just make a copy of sonic to kill him even if his other hax don't work.

Super Sonic did neutralize the negative energy from Perfect Chaos (even in the comics version) which he absorbed . By the time he punches Super Sonic, he'll be erased. So its pretty much Darkness vs Light and Light always wins.

 

[Naruto1080]

But he could only neutralize it after he beat him in combat and the energy left chaos, he had to purify the negative chaos emerald energy after it left chaos to do it, he can't just purify enemies upfront, he has fought many evil villains and can't just purify them, so it's shown to be limited and not an offensive technique.

Also he still can't kill a non corporeal being that is across multiple universes, and he still can't beat exact copies of himself either, maybe survive 1 but after that hed be done if they didn't kill eachother already and janemba can at least make a few.

 

[Simone.conti.942]

Janemba win because he is omnipresent. He is non corporeal and sonic can't kill him, and janemba has got a lot of hax, he can create clones.

Sonic is very strong but he can't kill janemba with strenght; Sonic has purifying aura and he can damage janemba but is not enough to win.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Janemba made at least 3 clones of himself overall with his evil energy and all his bodies were 2C level, even Gotenks who was able to warp multiple dimensions and erase Cell from the timeline was unable to even scratch a janemba body with repeated attacks. All these clones were beaten and the energy purified, he also made a Goku clone and Vegito clone as well and the Goku one was destroyed and purified as well, so we know he had more than enough energy to make several 2C level bodies at least, making one or two Sonics is logically not an issue.

So my stance hasn't changed.

it's that is just basically his manifested bodies? that is why he pretty much keep coming back after get defeated, also what is janemba clones feats anyway? it's seems like his clones is constantly get defeated by the real one even if the real one is still tired after a battle?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Hm. Honestly not sure. Sonic likely has the advantage of being basically Gogeta but a hedgehog, though Janemba's true nature would make him difficult to fully get rid of unless he did something really stupid (like in the game). Not really leaning one way or another, yet.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Hm. Honestly not sure. Sonic likely has the advantage of being basically Gogeta but a hedgehog, though Janemba's true nature would make him difficult to fully get rid of unless he did something really stupid (like in the game). Not really leaning one way or another, yet.

also are vegito has the same power as gogeta? since beat janemba with gogeta is just an option, you can do that with vegito:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VayHulGcJvI

 

[SSJRyu1]

Hm. Honestly not sure. Sonic likely has the advantage of being basically Gogeta but a hedgehog, though Janemba's true nature would make him difficult to fully get rid of unless he did something really stupid (like in the game). Not really leaning one way or another, yet.

I agree, although I think Sonics aura is being overrated. To my knowledge it can't be used offensively, only was used to purify chaos emerald energy that was released from perfect chaos after he defeats him, when fighting evil foes it doesn't normally hurt them even at close range or anything like that, so I think considering like you said Janemba's true nature, and the fact the aura is really not an offensive technique that can be leveraged to attack, that likely Janemba will win, and if not it would be stalemate as Sonic likely can't kill him baring extreme CIS. After all earlier on you use Gogeta to fight janemba and beat one of his clones but it doesn't kill him, just stops that clone and that small area, it's not until PIS makes Janemba put all his energy into one body that he is defeated, and that would fall under PIS imo.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I agree, although I think Sonics aura is being overrated. To my knowledge it can't be used offensively, only was used to purify chaos emerald energy that was released from perfect chaos after he defeats him, when fighting evil foes it doesn't normally hurt them even at close range or anything like that, so I think considering like you said Janemba's true nature, and the fact the aura is really not an offensive technique that can be leveraged to attack, that likely Janemba will win, and if not it would be stalemate as Sonic likely can't kill him baring extreme CIS.

so can you help me and azathoth to aswer my question?

also are vegito has the same power as gogeta? since beat janemba with gogeta is just an option, you can do that with vegito: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VayHulGcJvI

 

[SSJRyu1]

^ In this game they seem to be portrayed as about the same power.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

^ In this game they seem to be portrayed as about the same power.

can you give me the scans? or is vegito have attack that have the same function as like gogeta (like stardust breaker)

 

[SSJRyu1]

^It never mentions stardust breaker beating Jaanemba in the game. In fact in the Gogeta route he doesn't kill him, Janemba survives and Goku and Vegeta use a combined Kamehameha to finish him off. Also Gogeta fought him earlier, and was only able to kill a clone, he couldn't stop the real thing until PIS had it put all it's energy into one body at end game.

As for them being equal it's not directly stated if they are or not, just my interpretation based on how well they fight in the story, both are able to beat Janemba's last body with all energy in it so both have that feat.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

^It never mentions stardust breaker beating Jaanemba in the game. In fact in the Gogeta route he doesn't kill him, Janemba survives and Goku and Vegeta use a combined Kamehameha to finish him off. Also Gogeta fought him earlier, and was only able to kill a clone, he couldn't stop the real thing until PIS had it put all it's energy into one body at end game.
As for them being equal it's not directly stated if they are or not, just my interpretation based on how well they fight in the story, both are able to beat Janemba's last body with all energy in it so both have that feat.

no, you probably kinda misunderstood, i'm not say gogeta beat janemba with stardust breaker, but because gogeta have that ability that can purified evil that mean he can purified evil, because i remember vegeta and vegito is also beat janemba clone and the real one but they never say to have ability that can purified evil, so if that mean you pretty much just need to beat janemba physical body to destroy him without have to purified him?

 

[SSJRyu1]

^Well you can beat his physical body without purification, but it will only kill him if all his energy is in that body, usually the energy is spread across many universes and can just make new ones or even attack on its own without a body, so killing a body only slows him down is all.

 

[Supermanprime_one_million]

Janemba win because the sonic aura isn't enough to win.

Janemba win also reality warping.

 

[SSJETERNAL]

Sonic can't kill Janemba with his attacks; and Janemba can win with easy he is omnipresent and he has clones.

So Janemba is faster than Sonic , stronger than Sonic and he has more hax of Sonic

 

[SSJRyu1]

Well this discussion has gone on for over 3 weeks now, and the arguments have not changed for quite some time. Currently it's 7 for Janemba, 3 for Super Sonic and 2 or 3 inconclusive. I think we can safely give Janemba the victory at this point if there is nothing new that needs to be said.

I'll request this be added to the characters profiles.