Pre-crisis Superman vs Ghost Rider

[DTG499]

Both are 2-C and speed is equalized. Hope this isn't a stomp

 

[DTG499]

Bump

 

[Eficiente]

Ignoring how I disagree with 2-C Odin, GR would seem to take this via AP and regen.

 

[DTG499]

How big is the AP gap?

 

[Eficiente]

GR scales to 9 universes, Superman to who knows, 2, 4 or maybe more.

 

[DTG499]

I thought, Superman would be more than ghost rider when I made this. And that it would come down to GR's hax. Do you think Kratos would be a better match up for GR?

 

[Eficiente]

I think GR would stomp Kratos, from what I know.

 

[Ionliosite]

Superman to who knows, 2, 4 or maybe more.

Seriously? I've been told on other threads (such as the one that upgraded Darkseid to 2-B) that he's actually on the 100s range.

 

[Kwonto96]

It depends really, has this superman does anything that makes him become affected by the penance stare? Because penance stare, is not something to mess around with.

 

[DTG499]

If he's actually in the 100s then this would be interesting.

 

[Eficiente]

It was already pointed out how 2-C was an outlier when the feat was more basic, so...

 

[Ionliosite]

It was already pointed out how 2-C was an outlier when the feat was more basic, so...

Wdym?

 

[Eficiente]

It was proposed to be an outlier in the upgrade thread, which was pretty much ignored without much thought put into it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

>Skyfather

>2-C outlier

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Eficiente]

If Odin had what I would consider a real 2-C feat then it wouldn't be an outlier. What I don't consider true is the space between the 9 realms to be = to the space between regular universes in a multiverse.

 

[Ionliosite]

Ah, you were speaking of Odin, my bad, I tho you meant Superman.

 

[Eficiente]

I was replying to Cal in that last comment.

Edit: In turn, Cal's comment was replying to what I said about Odin in my first comment.

 

[Ionliosite]

So I'll ask my question more directly: do you believe Supes scales to like 4 universes when part of the argument being used to upgrade Darkseid to 2-B was that he casually defeated Supes who scales to hundreds of universes?

 

[Eficiente]

I rolled with Supes' stats without agreeing with them, I can't try to downgrade him & thus anyone who scales to him as I only have basic knowledge of him+his first 100 comics. I will have to wait for somebody else to try it and contribute with what I can.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

I think the main problem here is that Ghost Rider will hax Superma to death. He tends to lead with some pretty nasty hax attacks like soul manipulation, and I don't think Superma has proper defenses against most of them.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

GR scales to 9 universes, Superman to who knows, 2, 4 or maybe more.

Doing a bit of digging, Superman scales to AT LEAST twelve universes. In the Related Articles in this Pre Crisis page , I can see twelve alternate universes labelled.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

That's a misunderstanding. Superman's timeline feat didn't involve the conventional Pre-Crisis DC multiverse. It only involved several diverging timelines. There's a note on his page clarifying this because we've gone over it several times now. He scales to a few 2-C feats and characters, but they are all of relatively unspecified size. However, none of it is particularly relevant to this discussion anyway. Ghost Rider has an arsenal of hax that Superman isn't prepared to deal with, and he tends to open with that instead of straight up AP attacks anyway. This battle is a hax stomp.

 

[Kwonto96]

This should be closed then, if this is a stomp.

 

[ClassicNESfan]

Ah, my bad.

 

[Antvasima]

I will handle it.