Possibly The Shadow (amnesia) upgrade?

[Kfc-chad]

With the evidence I have provided, it can be concluded that the Shadow is a non-physical entity, and that it deviates from classical logic. (of course if you have other proofs you are free to send them. [and I assume you know what orbs are and what the Shadow is])

 

[Mr. Bambu]

What, specifically, are you proposing be changed on the profile?

 

[Kfc-chad]

What, specifically, are you proposing be changed on the profile?

I was thinking that the Shadow being an illogical being (like with the orb or the "impossible geometry) it can be classified as a tier 0 or at least 1A

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That's not at all how it works, no.

 

[Kfc-chad]

That's not at all how it works, no.

Fym "it's not how it works". It's clearly stated, and reflects the tiers mentioned above

 

[Mr. Bambu]

"They're illogical" doesn't net anything lol. It's just not how it works. I genuinely don't know how to explain this to you because of how distant it is from how it works. It's like a child being confused their stick doesn't shoot bullets because it has the general shape of a gun. Still, I will try.

Here's what your scans say.

• It breaks down reality.
• It's described as "the universe catching up with itself".
• It references "impossible geometry".
• It creates a sound "defying description".
• Presuming this next one is about the Shadow (if this upgrade had grounds, you'd really need to provide surrounding context to it as evidence), it simply describes something as not aligning with logic/causality as perceived by the speaker.
• Sphere?
• The next scan doesn't say anything.
• If this comic is legit (I don't know if it is or isn't, but as the upgrade itself is illegitimate, it doesn't really concern me much), it's just existence erasure.
• Taking the last one with a grain of salt (a wiki isn't considered reliable), it just describes the orb as paradoxical and impossible (presumably by way of whatever the paradox is).

However.

• Breaking down reality on it's own is too vague, and at best yields Low 2-C (and even that requires it to be done across the entire universe).
• This means nothing.
• This can mean a lot of things. The phrase is evoked by things like the Cthulhu Mythos a lot to indicate a higher realm, but it's also used for anything influenced by these elder gods. Amnesia, of course, cannot rely on the explanations of the Cthulhu Mythos, even if it is inspired by it- so this "impossible geometry" means practically nil. There are explanations that yield no tiers whatsoever, especially since...
• ...the sound thing obviously doesn't grant a tier...
• ...here we are. Defying logic and causality isn't a tier thing! It may be acausal (which would cause it to defy logic), but that's about it. This also seems, given the evidence, a probable cause for the aforementioned impossible geometry. From this alone, a particular type of acausality is essentially impossible to glean, but if we take the speaker as knowledgeable, this seems to be the root of it all.
• Sphere.
• Pretty much nothing important in this scan.
• As mentioned, existence erasure.
• Also seems likely to be leading back into acausality.

I don't know what you've heard about VSBW, but 1-A or 0 have a fairly high barrier to entry, in that more extreme claims require more extreme evidence. Literally nothing here implies Tier 1 at all, barring a reference to the Cthulhu Mythos' typical verbiage.

 

[Kfc-chad]

"They're illogical" doesn't net anything lol. It's just not how it works. I genuinely don't know how to explain this to you because of how distant it is from how it works. It's like a child being confused their stick doesn't shoot bullets because it has the general shape of a gun. Still, I will try.

Here's what your scans say.

• It breaks down reality.
• It's described as "the universe catching up with itself".
• It references "impossible geometry".
• It creates a sound "defying description".
• Presuming this next one is about the Shadow (if this upgrade had grounds, you'd really need to provide surrounding context to it as evidence), it simply describes something as not aligning with logic/causality as perceived by the speaker.
• Sphere?
• The next scan doesn't say anything.
• If this comic is legit (I don't know if it is or isn't, but as the upgrade itself is illegitimate, it doesn't really concern me much), it's just existence erasure.
• Taking the last one with a grain of salt (a wiki isn't considered reliable), it just describes the orb as paradoxical and impossible (presumably by way of whatever the paradox is).

However.

• Breaking down reality on it's own is too vague, and at best yields Low 2-C (and even that requires it to be done across the entire universe).
• This means nothing.
• This can mean a lot of things. The phrase is evoked by things like the Cthulhu Mythos a lot to indicate a higher realm, but it's also used for anything influenced by these elder gods. Amnesia, of course, cannot rely on the explanations of the Cthulhu Mythos, even if it is inspired by it- so this "impossible geometry" means practically nil. There are explanations that yield no tiers whatsoever, especially since...
• ...the sound thing obviously doesn't grant a tier...
• ...here we are. Defying logic and causality isn't a tier thing! It may be acausal (which would cause it to defy logic), but that's about it. This also seems, given the evidence, a probable cause for the aforementioned impossible geometry. From this alone, a particular type of acausality is essentially impossible to glean, but if we take the speaker as knowledgeable, this seems to be the root of it all.
• Sphere.
• Pretty much nothing important in this scan.
• As mentioned, existence erasure.
• Also seems likely to be leading back into acausality.

I don't know what you've heard about VSBW, but 1-A or 0 have a fairly high barrier to entry, in that more extreme claims require more extreme evidence. Literally nothing here implies Tier 1 at all, barring a reference to the Cthulhu Mythos' typical verbiage.

we probably didn't understand each other on some points. The "breaking down reality" Scan served as further evidence for the Shadow that it is affectively the universe itself. for the sounds, obviously the sounds don't scale, but it serves as further evidence to demonstrate how the Shadow is illogical. I didn't quite understand the "sphere" part, but I think you're referring to the fact that the sphere is the subject, not the Shadow, but I don't know if you know that, the sphere is the very representation of the amnesia universe. For the point of the cancellation of existence, that wasn't what you were supposed to look at, if you read on the left you're told that the Shadow is not physical, but if it wants it can become so. Now let's move on to the crucial points, what I understood is that you ask for context, however it has already been given or is self-explanatory. For example in the Scan of impossible geometry, obviously without context it's a null Scan, but even just for the fact that the sphere is "smooth and rough" at the same time, it goes to demonstrate how in the amnesia universe geometries that could not exist exist. So if the orb is indescribable by nature, it will be necessary for these things to exist in principle, and the existence of an impossible geometry is not unrealistic, and even less excludable (intended as a geometry impossible by definition)

 

[Ebihara]

Tiering System

The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system the VS Battles Wiki utilizes to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats and the varying scopes that they can affect or create/destroy. Though Destructive...

vsbattles.fandom.com

I think this might be a valuable read for you to better understand tiering.

 

[Kfc-chad]

Tiering System

The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system the VS Battles Wiki utilizes to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats and the varying scopes that they can affect or create/destroy. Though Destructive...

vsbattles.fandom.com

I think this might be a valuable read for you to better understand tiering.

I read it hundreds of times, so if you don't agree with me pls explain why in this thread

 

[Ebihara]

I do not think the evidence you have provided have shown any of the requirements for 1A. I cant point out anything of why i disagree with it trying to fit the requirements cause frankly you haven't provided any proof and your original post that are even attempting to address what is needed for an upgrade to 1A. I guess I disagree with the entire CRT attempting to upgrade to 0 or 1A cause entire lack of evidence.

 

[Kfc-chad]

I do not think the evidence you have provided have shown any of the requirements for 1A. I cant point out anything of why i disagree with it trying to fit the requirements cause frankly you haven't provided any proof and your original post that are even attempting to address what is needed for an upgrade to 1A. I guess I disagree with the entire CRT attempting to upgrade to 0 or 1A cause entire lack of evidence.

so the fact that it is said to be non-physical (therefore necessarily transcending space-time) is not evidence to say that it is outer, beyond the fact that inverse can contain constructs that at a physical/mathematical/logical level cannot exist

 

[Ebihara]

so the fact that it is said to be non-physical (therefore necessarily transcending space-time) is not evidence to say that it is outer, beyond the fact that inverse can contain constructs that at a physical/mathematical/logical level cannot exist

You said you read the tiering requirements but I don't believe that. I am going to unfollow, i suggest gathering more evidence and make a new CRT (first taking a look at other users successful CRT's and how they formatted it.) cause while I didn't point out anything specific , Mr Bambu did and you didnt really properly address anything he said.

put me as disagree.

 

[Kfc-chad]

You said you read the tiering requirements but I don't believe that. I am going to unfollow, i suggest gathering more evidence and make a new CRT (first taking a look at other users successful CRT's and how they formatted it.) cause while I didn't point out anything specific , Mr Bambu did and you didnt really properly address anything he said.

put me as disagree.

Are you sure that YOU read the tiering?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Kfc, please try to be a bit more respectful during conversations, be it with staff or any other user... it doesn't help your case if your first response to one is "fym".

You need more proof for such an upgrade, I'm afraid. Your original post doesn't really explain enough for newcomers regarding the lore of the games (like the orbs, you can't expect those unfamiliar with Amnesia to know what those are about) or why the Shadow should have such a high tier.