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I've been looking through the Sonic series for awhile, and it might be possible to bump the series base cast past MC. This will draw information from games that aren't mainline titles, but Sonic's canon has been described by the creators as being rather loose anyway, so theoretically anything could be considered canon. With that said...

1. Void and Maginaryworld
https://youtu.be/_ZF1woNdNdQ?t=445
So, this one is somewhat straightforward. In Sonic Shuffle, the goddess Illumina who governs Maginaryworld and created the 4th Dimension that acts as a nexus for all the dreams in the greater Sonic Multiverse splits into two halves, Void and Lumina Flowlight. Void starts messing with the dream worlds and reality warping them, such as turning a once paradise beach into a freezing landscape. Keep in mind, the transformations of the worlds are different for each one, so it's clearly reality warping and not just extreme temperature manipulation. Then, in the final boss, Void is amped by one piece of the Pure Preciousstone, and transforms into a monstrous form. The Pure Preciousstone created Maginaryworld, but was split into pieces after an incident, so each piece should contain a portion of the Pure Precioustone's power, which makes them Universal-Universal+ assuming that dreams are universe sized. Void didn't use these stones to reality warp the worlds, BTW. It's said throughout the game that touching the Preciousstone pieces makes them fall apart, and Void never touches one until the ending. Anyway, amped Void is defeated by Sonic and company by making rocks fall on her, but during the fight she uses her dark magic on the base form characters and they tank it(https://youtu.be/bkRf7SUY39o?t=135). It should also scale to AP since Sonic regularly defeats characters who can harm him in Base.

2. The Chaos Emeralds:
https://youtu.be/kBhq72tk70o?t=1073
So, in Sonic Generations, there are multiple cutscenes that show the incomplete Time Eater attempting to take one of the Emeralds. However, in both instances, the Emerald unleashes so much power that the Time Eater is repelled. This seems to imply that the Chaos Emeralds on their own are comparable to the incomplete Time Eater, which is consistent with the wiki describing the individual Emeralds as being superior to pretty much anything else in the franchise, except the Master Emerald(which is obvious), and the Power of the Stars(which is Low Multiversal, so that makes sense). For more consistency, this would mean the Emeralds on their own would be superior to the individual Preciousstone pieces. Which could mean all 7 are equal to the Pure Precious Stone, which would make them Multiversal, but that part is pure speculation. As for why Sonic was able to grab them, the Emeralds have been stated to have some degree of sentience, and thus acknowledge Sonic as worthy.

So, what this implies is that the power of the Super Forms comes from the Emeralds themselves, and not really the character using them. This is confirmed by games like Tails' Adventure, where Tails actually powers up with each Emerald he collects(https://youtu.be/1NvkRzgNTzU?t=180), and Emerl, who also grows stronger with each individual Emerald rather than just all 7.

Being comparable to the incomplete Time Eater should make each Emerald Universal-Universal+, as the Time Eater created the void of White Space and sucked in all facets of the Sonic universe into it, meaning it is as large as the Sonic Universe, as well as destroying the Space-Time continuum. So essentially, every time Base Sonic defeats an opponent who has absorbed the power of a Chaos Emerald, he is theoretically fighting a Universal+ entity. This includes the times he battled:


-Chaos 4 and 6 in Sonic Adventure
-The Egg Nega-Wisp in Colors, whose Hyper-Go On Energy is said to be superior to the Chaos Emeralds(https://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Hyper-go-o)
-Ultimate Emerl(who had all 7 Emeralds)

Not only that, but in two games Sonic was actually able to transform into Super Sonic with only one Emerald, those being the first two Riders games. Sonic can use Super Sonic with one Emerald and race against the other characters, and they can actually damage Super Sonic and beat him in a race on Extreme Gear(https://youtu.be/ls57IavWBlg?t=128). Now, Super Sonic is still shown to be superior to the other characters due to his stats and being the best racer once it's active, but the fact that they can compete with him in the race should point to Base Characters being comparable to Super Sonic who has absorbed the power of one Emerald. In fact, Super Sonic has actually competed against base characters a couple other times, namely Sonic R, Sonic Free Riders and Sonic Shuffle again, and base characters were comparable to him in those instances too, despite him being superior. Free Riders even changed it so Super Sonic uses all 7 Emeralds. However, these three are probably outliers.

Now, as for why I'm doing this when Sonic was one shot by the Time-Eater in the opening and later...two reasons. One, the incomplete Time Eater is simply a lower degree of Universal-Universal+ than the complete version. To give an example, both Vegeta and Kyoya are Universal+, but Kyoya is far higher in the tier than Vegeta, and is thus stronger. The other reason is that the Time Eater hit Sonic twice, once with a casual slap that didn't knock Sonic out, and the other being a Warping Arm Attack that slammed into Sonic full-force, creating a shockwave. Plus, the fact that Sonic wasn't turned into blue jelly should mean that his body can take force of that level.

3: Opponents Sonic has beaten that used all the Emeralds or Master Emerald
If we're going with the theory that individual Emeralds are comparable to the incomplete Time Eater, then all 7 Emeralds should definitely be Universal+-Low Multiversal when put together. So let's look at the times Base Sonic, or other base characters, fought against an opponent who was comparable to Super Sonic.

First, there was Super Mecha Sonic, who was amped by the Master Emerald(stronger than individual Chaos Emeralds by a wide margin). Knuckles didn't defeat Super Mecha Sonic, but he did take attacks from it and survive(https://youtu.be/sIpAilhlbRE?t=70). Later on, Sonic also fought and defeated the Great Eggman Robot powered by the Master Emerald, and even tanked energy blasts from the Emerald itself, and was fine(https://youtu.be/4iVcRkQEd-c?t=78)

Then there's Ultimate Emerl, who had all 7 Emeralds. Base Sonic defeated him, and in 30 seconds too.

Next is Dark Gaea. Sonic heavily damaged Semi-Perfect Dark Gaea in base(https://youtu.be/ZjtQDRCw4qM?t=165), and then Perfect Dark Gaia fought against Super Sonic. Granted, Perfect Dark Gaea is stronger than Semi-Perfect, but not by an exorbitant amount.


And finally, there's Perfect Chaos, who Sonic defeated as Super Sonic in Adventure and in Base in Generations. Granted, the Perfect Chaos in Generations was a time duplicate and not the original, but there's no reason to say that this time clone should be exponentially weaker. Even if it was, say, only half the strength of the original, it would still be Universal+ to Low Multiversal.

4. Other notable feats

-Base Sonic characters has no trouble falling into and resisting the pull of black holes(https://youtu.be/YMoa-U31uuI?t=51) (https://youtu.be/YsPrxduUMDI?t=747)

-Sonic with Extreme Gear defeats Master Core: ABIS, the core of a black hole that would have swallowed the planet(https://youtu.be/ZpO2pH4qlas?t=2393)

-Ultimate Emerl is stated to be capable of destroying the planet by Gerald

-Sonic heavily damages Semi-Perfect Dark Gaia

-Hyper-Go on energy restrains the "black hole" at the end of Colors and teleports 5 planets. Sonic defeats the Egg Nega Wisp powered by massive quantities of it (https://youtu.be/adMheegujxc?t=2075) (https://youtu.be/adMheegujxc?t=2010)

Who would this affect(if it was true)?
Pretty much everyone, really. Thanks to Speed Battle, and spinoffs like Riders, all the base characters are somewhat comparable to each other, so I don't see a reason why they couldn't scale to Base Sonic, especially since characters like Tails and even Big have fought against Chaos in one form or another and are are comparable to Sonic in Heroes and such.

Pretty much every boss who has fought Super Sonic canonically should also be Low Multiversal assuming this is legit since the Emeralds are the ones supplying the power, meaning bosses like Metal Overlord, Devil Doom, Finalhazard, Gemerl, and Perfect Dark Gaea should probably scale.

Essentially, what I'm theorizing is:

Universal-Universal+ Base Sonic cast
Universal+ Super Sonic with one Emerald, but to a higher degree
 
Fairly sure that Tier 2 base Sonic and co. would be an outlier of fantastic proportions.
 
They do describe individual Chaos Emeralds as having limitless power and being stronger than most other artifacts in the franchise, and Sonic has defeated Master Emerald powered or Chaos Emerald powered things before, so I assumed it was consistent considering Super Sonic has faced off against characters in the spinoffs and they were comparable to him.

But that Black Hole and planet teleporting stuff is really true.
 
I guess my only question is, how many times does something have to happen for it to be not an outlier?

I thought this was a decent chunk of evidence.
 
I know there's a lot in the franchise that doesn't go past City Level, but the stuff with the Extractor in Lost World and the Ifrit isn't valid either, considering Sonic didn't fight the completed Ifrit and we don't know if Eggman used all the bio-energy for his machine. So honestly, there's just more stuff past MC than there is for it.
 
Also, Sonic destroyed the actual core of a black hole.

Fell into them a couple times.

That's gotta mean something.
 
Tbh, I would like something beyond "outlier" to explain this, because it's very similar to Mario.

Paper Mario survived the destruction of a universe and Mario scales to him, but that is sort of an outlier. Yet a lot of people I know are content with the idea of Universal Mario.

Sonic is roughly the same way, except arguably he has even more justification for Universal status.
 
Sorry but universal+ base characters is just too much, especially when not all characters can use the Emeralds's power to their full extent.
 
Yeah, probably.

I guess the black hole stuff might get up to Star, though.

This can be closed if you want.
 
3.2626916e+41 Joules was the output from what I can tell.

Zero Gravity Black Hole is pretty solidly Low 4-C.
 
Tier 5 Sonic in general seems totally out of the question if the black hole feats surpass the Chaos Emerald/Dark Gaia feats, the latter of which were deemed unusable for scaling.
 
Both the Zero Gravity Black Hole and the one in Colors(if it's treated like a black hole) should be tier 4.
 
I don't think the Zero Gravity black hole is pseudo.

Colors one, yeah, but Zero Gravity's black hole is really similar to real life.
 
JJSliderman said:
I don't think the Zero Gravity black hole is pseudo.
The Zero Gravity feat is outnumbered by the Tier 6 feats that take place in Sonic Rivals 2, Sonic Battle, Sonic 06, and Lost World, meaning it'll likely be considered an Outlier regardless of how genuine it is.
 
Maybe.

Idk.

Colors Black Hole is made by a whole bunch of Nega-Wisps, and those were 5-A, so...idk
 
The High 6-A calc comes from the Ifrit which uses the Boros one, so 511 petatons, not 300.

The surface wiping feats are based on a calc from another verse so it may not be the most accurate. I also think the Iblis's surface destruction was shown in a cutscene, though I'm going to have to check later since I'm out and the internet service here is pretty crap.
 
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