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[Alsotime]

Does Aoi have world view?

I don’t think the scans that were shown in favor of Aoi being able to use World View were enough to warrant her being deemed as a world view holder.

The scans showed to make the point of Aoi being a World View was the following:

Plot Manipulation: Worldviews are the idea that everyone lives in their own world, and there were as many worlds as there were people. Worldview's refers to the laws governing a given world.| Yuichi's worldview is a worldview that fuses with the worldviews of others, creating new worldviews, with his worldview absorbing the others worldview. In Yuichi's worldview he is invincible as there will always be a chance that he can win, and as long as there is a chance he can win, he will always win.

This is how World View is described on Yuichi’s page and the next scan was used to compare the similarities between the description and how Aoi Hayanse’s ability works

I’m not trying to deny the similarities between the two abilities because they are obviously there, I just think that this can be summed up less as her being a world view holder, and more as her having an ability that has similarities with world view.

 

[Everything12]

Makes sense.

 

[Alsotime]

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[Alsotime]

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[PhantomØ4]

The Japanese summoned from Yogiri’s world come from the same world as Yuichi’s though? And we already know that everyone there has their own worlds, just not that everyone is a worldview holder like Yuichi and the rest. So we already know that they have world just like in Nee Chan, is just the question of if they can actively use them.

So it’s beyond just similarities but they literally come from the same universe.

 

[Alsotime]

The Japanese summoned from Yogiri’s world come from the same world as Yuichi’s though? And we already know that everyone there has their own worlds, just not that everyone is a worldview holder like Yuichi and the rest. So we already know that they have world just like in Nee Chan, is just the question of if they can actively use them.

So it’s beyond just similarities but they literally come from the same universe.
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My point is that she isn’t actually out right confirmed to be a world view holder and because of that her being one is an assumption, also her ability being called just world doesn’t support the point of it being a world view since it comes off as it’s ability independent from world view.

 

[PhantomØ4]

The lack of an explicit statement doesn’t really hinder it much tbh.
When was the name even used as an argument? We already know she holds a worldview, everyone has one as stated in Nee-Chan Chuniibyou, then she literally describes her ability as pulling others into her internal world and works practically just like world views, even down to Fate and Script shenanigans. It’s almost as close as you can get without saying “oh yeah she is worldview holder just like Yuichi”

When is it said it is said the ability separate from world view holders? Never. The fact that she has the system does not mean she can’t have a world view.

 

[Alsotime]

The lack of an explicit statement doesn’t really hinder it much tbh.
When was the name even used as an argument? We already know she holds a worldview, everyone has one as stated in Nee-Chan Chuniibyou, then she literally describes her ability as pulling others into her internal world and works practically just like world views, even down to Fate and Script shenanigans. It’s almost as close as you can get without saying “oh yeah she is worldview holder just like Yuichi”

When is it said it is said the ability separate from world view holders? Never. The fact that she has the system does not mean she can’t have a world view.

No it isn’t, her ability is treated as an entirely different ability separate from what a world view holder does, it even has another name

Just because they are in the same setting doesn’t mean that every similar ability is the same, her ability may seem like world view but it is treated as an independent skill that she uniquely has.

 

[PhantomØ4]

When is this distinction made exactly? You went from wanting concrete saying of “oh worldview holder like Yuichi” to “The distinction was made between them”. So where were is this distinction?

Just because you simplify what I said doesn’t mean I said it. Its not just that they share the same verse, it’s what that entails. Being in it means that has the exact same personal world view as literally any given person as shown in Nee-Chan. She’s dragging her opponents to her internal worldview, what worldview? Maybe the one we know she has?

Ryoma steals other’s, Yuichi merges them into his and Aoi drags them into hers.

 

[Alsotime]

When is this distinction made exactly? You went from wanting concrete saying of “oh worldview holder like Yuichi” to “The distinction was made between them”. So where were is this distinction?

The distinction was made when her ability was titled and treated as something different from what a world view holder uses. Abilities from the same franchise can have similar mechanics and still be different from one another

 

[PhantomØ4]

It’s never treated in a way that makes a distinction tho? And it’s name doesn’t really prove anything given that there was no outer to mention it or anything of the sort. It’s not like Yuichi and Co didn’t get the name off someone else.

 

[Alsotime]

It’s never treated in a way that makes a distinction tho? And it’s name doesn’t really prove anything given that there was no outer to mention it or anything of the sort. It’s not like Yuichi and Co didn’t get the name off someone else.

If they wanted to make the abilities the same, the author shouldn’t have wrote a scene in their story giving her ability a different title, that in and of its self helps support my point of it being a different ability.

Aoi can view her abilities though, she has information analysis and if I’m not mistaken she should be able to see what her ability is called through the system.

 

[PhantomØ4]

That’s just your opinion though. They don’t NEED the same name to be the same ability. Name < Mechanics.

We already know that the system gives and names abilities based on the desire or personality trait that drove that ability though. It’s not an objective description of the ability. Besides, what are the chances that outers call the abilities the same thing as a system from another world?

 

[Alsotime]

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[Shyouu]

I agree with Phantom's points.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Disagree with the thread due Phantom points

 

[Tetsuya1029]

That’s just your opinion though. They don’t NEED the same name to be the same ability. Name < Mechanics.

We already know that the system gives and names abilities based on the desire or personality trait that drove that ability though. It’s not an objective description of the ability. Besides, what are the chances that outers call the abilities the same thing as a system from another world?

Aoi does use a worldview. Its actually the same exact one that Mutsuko uses.

 

[Tetsuya1029]

Disagree with the thread due Phantom points

Aoi does use a worldview. Its actually the same exact one that Mutsuko uses.

check this.