ProtOrnitierX said:
Multiversal energy was released in a way that harmed them, therefore it's a feat of durability. Also, whether or not something is destructive doesn't matter in determining whether or not it's a feat; energy is energy, and they had the energy maintaining the dreams of millions of worlds released upon them. Heat isn't destructive either, yet surviving the heat of the big bang for instance is what gave Blastaar moon level stats. Only argument to the contrary could be author's intent but I find that rather irrelevant and in this case the author never said anything about this scene which renders it null.
Whether or not it was focused on them doesn't take away the feat. An explosion that wipes out all matter in the universe may not be focused on me, but surviving in close proximity to it would still require me to have multi-galaxy level durability. Same deal here but on a higher scale. They were noticeably hit by the energy at a close proximity, so it would at the least scale roughly.
Yes, hence the reason it's listed as a durability feat.
I should also point out that Noctis Sol was outright destroyed by the release of energy, meaning that it in actuality was destructive. Same Noctis Sol that has multiversal stats by the very nature of its function as a "character" yet Klonoa and Popka tanked a blast that destroyed even the Noctis Sol.
They were not carried by the release of energy through the dreams, they were carried through a stream of dreams. They were visibly already in the dream stream before the explosion of energy, and even if the dream stream was created by the explosion of energy, it doesn't matter since they note that the dream stream had gotten stronger, more intense (in other words, was exerting more pressure onto them) meaning that they tanked the energy released by Noctis Sol in the Dream Stream regardless.
http://klonoa.the-comic.org/comics/29
http://klonoa.the-comic.org/comics/44
This is a pretty disingenuous argument. Popka is right alongside Klonoa every step of the way through his journey in Klonoa 2, and is even able to help him if you have a second player/controller as well as being shown to be as swift as Klonoa when they escape the factory explosions. Popka is the reason Lolo placed so high in the Dream Champ Tournament, having helped her the entire way through. Popka is a formidable foe in the KBV. Popka was shown to be competent in the comic and escaped both the Nighty-Knights and Multi-Mini-Minions. Popka is more than a comic relief character, and even if that was his sole role I would argue it's not even ridiculous in and of itself considering we have cosmic scale destruction from random non-fighter fodder artists in the first game (timeline wise) in the series.
Also take note that the comic is end of series, meaning that using earlier feats to determine if it's an outlier is a bit wonky. Not to mention, it being an outlier for Popka would not make it an outlier for Klonoa anyways
I never scaled Klonoa to Hue, though I also don't see where he was portrayed as vastly superior to everybody else. He only "beat" Guntz, Chipple, and Dark Klonoa via mindscrewing them, the same thing that happened to Klonoa in Klonoa 1. Klonoa was also confident he could take him, and Klonoa rather humbly admits when he has to run away (like he did in Klonoa 2 against the damaged red robot.... albeit that scene just reeked of PIS considering Klonoa beat said robot while it was in top shape)
In the first game all of his friends tanked Nahatomb's explosion, loaded the moon cannons only to get knocked away, Klonoa got absorbed and broke out of his stomach dimension by smashing his insides, and then they fully loaded the moon cannons to finish Nahatomb off. This is in Klonoa 1, come KBV (which is more than a mere volleyball game considering player legitimately attack each other and fight dirty in the game) he is able to physically compete with Nahatomb. In Dream Champ Tournament he also singlehandedly defeats Garlen straight up who is on par with Nahatomb to the point Nahatomb considered him a valuable partner and fought alongside him as an equal.
The energy did not harm them, though. They were knocked back, but completely fine. If they really were hit with the destructive force of millions of dreams and completely unharmed, guys like Nahatomb never would have been a problem in the first place, and there seems to be no reason whatsoever for Klonoa to jump from Multi-Universal in the single to low double digits to Multiversal in the millions.
Noctis Sol was destroyed because its energy was escaping it. It is not as if Noctis Sol could not normally contain said energy. Plus, as soon as this energy is released, Klonoa states they'll need to ride the stream and see where it goes, implying something akin to riding the shockwave of the blast. Putting Klonoa and Popka as comparable or superior to Noctis Sol, the source of all dreams, because of this seems very faulty and taking things heavily out of the context the rest of the comic provides.
Popka being with Klonoa does not mean he scales to everything Klonoa does. Obviously, he should be well above fodder, but guys like Nahatomb are very, very far from fodder. Assuming Popka is a multiversal entity who can one-shot guys like Nahatomb has no basis aside from a feat which, again, ignores the rest of the context in the comic.
Tenebrae Hue is the final antagonist, and him having absorbed the power of Noctis Sol is a really big deal. This would not be the case at all if Klonoa was able to casually tank the release of all Noctis Sol's power, implying the feat itself may not be what you are making it out to be. Tenebrae Hue even states Klonoa can't stop him now, and the fact that Klonoa looks worried about his arrival and the fact that Popka, who was also present for Noctis Sol releasing its energy,
states going to help Klonoa is too dangerous suggests that Klonoa should not be scaled to Noctis Sol and post-amp Tenebris Hue. In fact, in the very last page of the comic,
Tenebrae Hue uses a very small portion of his power, which was formerly Noctis Sol's, to effortlessly take control of several Klonoa-level characters and make them attack Klonoa himself.
Then scaling the gang to Nahatomb should be legit. However, Nahatomb's power being six dreams is Multi-Universal by our scale, as opposed to full on multiversal.
This makes sense, as Noctis Sol and Tenebrae Hue are the strongest characters in the series, and are Multiversal in the scale of millions of universes.
In short, I am fine with Nahatomb being Universal+ or Multi-Universal, and that scaling to Klonoa. I agree Tenebrae Hue at full power and Noctis Sol should be 2-B, but I don't think this scales to anyone else.
Though it would be helpful if you happened to have the thing saying Nahatomb has the power of six dreams, as that would be just straight up Multi-Universal instead of Universal+.
