Pokemon Verse-Page Icons changing

[Jinx666]

Hello there

Given recent discussions, I think its about time we collectively start removing a lot of the uncredited and stolen fanart that is being used on the Pokemon Verse Page (And any other possible pokemon profiles it could be on), and enforcing the rules of the wiki, while also respecting the said artists whose work has been put on our page without a single credit to their name.

As we all know, Pokemon has countless official images we can use, stemming from their official renders, anime screencaps, official box art, and most varied of all, the TCG.

This thread will be used to devise a plan on how we can slowly but surely replace all of these images, as well as decide what kinds of images we want to replace them with. We could even potentially talk about changing the formatting of the Verse page as a whole (such as properly organising game profiles from manga/anime profiles). We're also going to have to disucss if we want there to be consistency in the images we use (As in, all of the images being in comparable styles)

So far, some viable options i think we can use:

A) Using TCG Pokemon Art. They count as official products, however unlike other card games like Yugioh, Pokemon takes the space to add a credit to the illustrator. Is there any way we could perhaps do this without it getting in the way of the verse page formatting? It would be a little awkward to create a whole crediting section for the hundreds of image we'll be replacing.
B) Using the official renders of each Pokemon that are the main image for their profile/bulbapedia etc. These renders will be transparent as opposed to being restricted to the current box format
C) Images that include ALL of the said Pokemon's evolution lines in one. This may need outward editing (Which adds onto the time taken)
D) Simply using a mix of all images, much like what we're doing now but excluding fanart.


Overall, perhaps to make the burden a bit less, we could also gradually start changing whatever we can, building up so that eventually it can be fixed? I've already replaced all the taken fanart ive uploaded to the page over the years, as i am too guilty of this, but happy to help in moving on,

 

[Jinx666]

Hoping this can maybe help invigorate cleaning up the standard of this verse on the wiki too. Pokemon is a huge verse in comparison to most others, and it should definitely at least appear to be as professional as possible.

Has anyone got any Verse pages we can use as examples?

 

[Chariot190]

I'd either go with bog standard art or TCG art.

But only one or the other for consistency, like it'd be weird if we used Fossil Cubone art, and next to it, basic ***** sugimori seaking.
Given the profiles use the default artwork as profile renders, which makes way more sense given they're default full body images meant to show the creatures off, and as such I'd actually prefer that art to be the actual renders, to avoid doubling up, I'd use the more out there TCG art for other purposes, whether it's a gallery or icons. Obviously other art is fine too, like Masters or anime, etc.

Obviously not all artwork would fit, but there's so many options every mon is bound to have at least a few viable options.

I don't think we need to credit the artists due to the fact it isn't actually fanart. I'd list the artist's name in the gallery if one wants to add a bunch (which would be fine, you definitely could if you wanted), like say we use uh, **** idk Neo Destiny Espeon or HGSS Unleashed Electivire art as icons, we don't really need to mention "btw TOKIYA drew that lmao", would be optional, as said mention it in the gallery if someone wants to but using TCG skips that step entirely and makes it optional.

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah, i feel for TCG art, its the flair option, meanwhile official renders are the efficient option.

TCG has a lot more, though the artstyles aren't necessarily going to be consistent. Not much of an issue as long as people can tell what mons are being represented.

Only other issue i think would perhaps be representing the entire evolution line. Theres still a weird mix on this wiki of some profiles being named after the Pre-evolution and most being named after the final evolutions

 

[Chariot190]

Idk how you'd solve that, maybe just make a link for each stage of the line that links to the same profile, so whether you click kingdra or horsea you get the same profile.
But that bloats it quite a bit so that's more a last resort, tho collapses and tabs solve that so idk.

I'd go with final evos tbh, like when I say or talk about a line I usually go "oh the Shiftry line" or some shit, like most would be looking for Charizard, not Charmander or Garchomp, not Gible.
But some mons go the opposite way, Pikachu or marill is more popular compared to Raichu or Azumaril.

Which makes me think maybe the last resort is the only option without it being inconsistent in naming conventions, but work is work and the less unrequired work the better so if there's a more efficient option I'd go with that.

Ig figuring out how we should actually list shit should be done first so we know what art we should even be looking for.

 

[Antvasima]

To quote what I said earlier in order to hopefully clear up misconceptions:

Just a note that I do not think that it seems remotely realistic to actually go around and ask permission from every single fan artist whose work we use, but we should give credit and preferably link to them within our image pages, and if they ask us to delete specific images that they created, we should always comply.

I meant that our standard praxis is to not ask before we use fanart, but preferably always give credit for it when we know its origins, and to comply to takedown requests.

 

[Jinx666]

Ig figuring out how we should actually list shit should be done first so we know what art we should even be looking for.

Well list wise, we have the Pokedex (Going by the National) with it splitting up the dex by generations like we are doing now

I personally think we should have the pages named after all the final evos (and perhaps name any pre-evos that were the final evolution before gaining an evolution in another gen separately), with the only issue based on that being split evos. We can just have them link to the same page if we're still adamant on compressing multiple final evolutions into one page like Gallade and Gardevoir

There are pages like 'Yamask' and 'Murkrow' for example that should maybe be changed, since final evolutions are generally the ones being sought out with the exception of Pikachu and Eevee. We should also only put all of the species profiles in this part of the list, and put pages such as Bewear (Anime) or Black Fog into another category

Pokemon Trainer characters can be separated into generations possibly, with Manga and Anime ones also being in their separate category like they are now

 

[Jinx666]

Bump

Is there a way to make a poll or smthn about the approach we can take?

 

[Jinx666]

Bump

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

What do our staff members currently need to evaluate here?

 

[Jinx666]

Its more so a discussion on what we should do when replacing these images, just so we wouldnt have to go over it again for later.

Essentially just for people to agree on the change. Ive got time now so i could gradually do it depending on the workload, but would want to see what people think we can do to make the verse page look optimal.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Jinx666]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Starter_Pack @GyroNutz @SamanPatou @LordTracer

What do you think about this?

 

[GyroNutz]

Agreed on both the need for icon changes and a full verse cleanup. Ideally both are done in tandem to save on time

 

[Jinx666]

bump

Its a lot of work but ig just start slowly and overtime? TCG card art should fit if no one has any objections to it

 

[Spinoirr]

Use TCG art

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[Imaginym]

To quote what I said earlier in order to hopefully clear up misconceptions:

Apologies for the alert, but is this you establishing a stance for this thread?

A) Using TCG Pokemon Art. They count as official products, however unlike other card games like Yugioh, Pokemon takes the space to add a credit to the illustrator. Is there any way we could perhaps do this without it getting in the way of the verse page formatting? It would be a little awkward to create a whole crediting section for the hundreds of image we'll be replacing.
B) Using the official renders of each Pokemon that are the main image for their profile/bulbapedia etc. These renders will be transparent as opposed to being restricted to the current box format
C) Images that include ALL of the said Pokemon's evolution lines in one. This may need outward editing (Which adds onto the time taken)
D) Simply using a mix of all images, much like what we're doing now but excluding fanart.

Personally, I like using option D for flexibility, though Option C seems like it'd be awkward & potentially spend a lot of time. Heck, in theory, we could just give each line multiple images/links on the Verse Page, since basically every Pokemon should have official images, be it from TCG or otherwise.

Admittedly, picking any official image might be a bit... fanciful, but I think it shouldn't be too problematic as long as there's no conflicts over methodology of choosing &/or image choice.

 

[Jinx666]

Im fine with that, though adding separate links for every line adds onto the page a bit uselessly, since most would just be next to eachother. Maybe for cross-evolutions (if people are still insistent on them being stuffed into one profile)

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I like using option D.

 

[Jinx666]

Bump

Honestly though from the looks of it, it seems the most popular conclusion is

• Using official art from any official Pokemon medium, most notably game art, Pokemon TCG etc.

I think its fine to start doing this from now on. It will still be long and i cant do it all on my own so i implore others to help out where they can. I might try and get Kanto completely revamped first and go from there overtime

 

[Jinx666]

What would we think about also turning this thread into deciding the priority of which Pokemon we name the profile after?

Such as finally deciding which Evolution the page is actually named after first.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody write a summary of the staff opinions here so far please?

 

[Jinx666]

Bump

Honestly though from the looks of it, it seems the most popular conclusion is

• Using official art from any official Pokemon medium, most notably game art, Pokemon TCG etc.

I think its fine to start doing this from now on. It will still be long and i cant do it all on my own so i implore others to help out where they can. I might try and get Kanto completely revamped first and go from there overtime

Its not rly a conclusion (replacing uncredited fanart shouldnt need a CRT) but this is the popular choice

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Given that this is an extremely popular franchise, it should likely be possible to find official art for each of its characters, but it would still help if you summarise each staff member opinion here in a single post.

 

[Jinx666]

For staff members, Gyro agrees the icons need to be changed but hasn't specified which option they prefer if any. Meanwhile Imaginym opts for Option D (using a mix of official images with no fanart).

As for regular members, it looks like Option D is most popular too

 

[Spinoirr]

For staff members, Gyro agrees the icons need to be changed but hasn't specified which option they prefer if any. Meanwhile Imaginym opts for Option D (using a mix of official images with no fanart).

As for regular members, it looks like Option D is most popular too

I'll try to help, but can't say for fact I will

 

[Antvasima]

Well, generally speaking for our wiki, I still largely hold the views linked here:

Pokemon Verse-Page Icons changing

Hello there Given recent discussions, I think its about time we collectively start removing a lot of the uncredited and stolen fanart that is being used on the Pokemon Verse Page (And any other possible pokemon profiles it could be on), and enforcing the rules of the wiki, while also respecting...

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But if a considerable staff consensus here becomes to exclude Pokémon fanart, I prefer option D.

 

[Jinx666]

In general we just shouldnt be taking fanart, no matter if there was a staff consensus for it. Its not our art or authority to post and is just a product of its time, so no matter what it'd need to be changed to something

 

[Antvasima]

It is often far better suited for being used as page header images than anything else that we have available.

 

[Jinx666]

I doubt for Pokemon which has a load of images to make a custom header pic with, and loads with a multitude of Pokemon.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, you are free to gradually replace the fan-images with rendered full body images of the characters that are official art, if they are of comparative or higher quality than what we currently use.