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We likely should not use stats for this. Just make it so Deoxys' Durability and AP shift from different values per form.
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Pokemon scaling issues/confusion
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@Kalt Oh then yeah, I agree.
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Because it's not like OR/AS didn't have games or anything...
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Mega Rayquaza never one-shot Deoxys in ORAS.
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Plot wise not as they needed to repel or catch it as it depends, but Generations, which showed good and accurate adaptations of Pokémon moments showed that segment and by also going with game mechanic Mega Ray can easily handle Deoxys.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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>Mega Rayquaza one shots
>Deoxys casually creates a rock shield to defend in literally the first move
>Barriers resist Mega Rayquaza's strongest attack for a while.
>Remains in one piece after breaking through shields.
>Is in the center of the meteor when Mega Rayquaza rams through the center with his strongest attack.
>Manga version loses because Mega Rayquaza hit a weak spot as a last resort.
>Deoxys casually creates a rock shield to defend in literally the first move
>Barriers resist Mega Rayquaza's strongest attack for a while.
>Remains in one piece after breaking through shields.
>Is in the center of the meteor when Mega Rayquaza rams through the center with his strongest attack.
>Manga version loses because Mega Rayquaza hit a weak spot as a last resort.
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That Rayquaza attacks were calced at Large Country level, off course it did not immediatly destroyed it. Also by looking at here we see Deoxys getting overwhelmed.
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Yeah, in that video Mega Rayquaza bursted through Deoxys's strongest attack and shield (I'm assuming it's strongest)
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So, by watching these sourches they should be:
Base Mewtwo: Massively Hypersonic+. At least Low 6-B [Superior to the birds, can fight evenly with Base Deoxys and damage its core]
Base Deoxys: Massively Hypersonic+. At least Low 6-B [Can fight Mewtwo. It was disintegrated by Rayquaza in the Movie]
In Attack Form the Ap is at least High 6-A [Can damage Rayquaza], while in Defense Form at least High 6-A [Can take attacks from Rayquaza]. Lastly for Speed Form, the speed is boosted to Sub-Relativistic [Can keep up with Rayquaza].
Base Mewtwo: Massively Hypersonic+. At least Low 6-B [Superior to the birds, can fight evenly with Base Deoxys and damage its core]
Base Deoxys: Massively Hypersonic+. At least Low 6-B [Can fight Mewtwo. It was disintegrated by Rayquaza in the Movie]
In Attack Form the Ap is at least High 6-A [Can damage Rayquaza], while in Defense Form at least High 6-A [Can take attacks from Rayquaza]. Lastly for Speed Form, the speed is boosted to Sub-Relativistic [Can keep up with Rayquaza].
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Rocks > Rayquaza's attack from that video.
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So what's the current debate?
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Fixed :^)Dark649 said:
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Deoxys should scale to base Rayquaza, in Gen 3 anyway. Maybe not outright since Rayquaza can vaporize him rather casually with stronger attacks but to an extent yeah.
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Mewtwo shouldn't scale from Deoxys IMO, since he impaled Deoxys through uts "crystal heart" which is a weak point .
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That's like saying SSB Goku's Kamehameha is casual because Yamcha can use it.
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I'm not so sure on the brain being a weak point, yeah if you damage it he's gonna get screwed but considering it took a point blank hyper beam from Rayquaza and it was the onky thing left over while the rest if him was vaped for like a decade?
I'd argue the gem actually has higher durability, just if you bypass it he's totally screwed (and Mewtwo did use a heavily focused attack)
I'd argue the gem actually has higher durability, just if you bypass it he's totally screwed (and Mewtwo did use a heavily focused attack)
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Pretty sure they traded blows and Mewtwo survived a Psycho Boost before that, my friend.AidenBrooks999 said:
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Yeah Mewtwo dod tank one, he was impaled by attack form though (although he was weakened by that point if I recall).
He did still trade blows with him though.
He did still trade blows with him though.
