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Pokemon scaling issues/confusion

Would the other z moves be calcable (rather would anyone actually be willing to and if so who's getting the results)?

The ice causes a massive amount of to ice to form, the rock one creates a rather large amount of rock, the fighting one blows the top off a mountain, etc.
 
I cpuld try to calc the fighting one later tonight.

It's rather simple, just find the mass and apply the value.
 
I think we would be being really biased if we didn't accept Z Moves but accept Special Move animations in literally every other JRPG game out there.
 
Z moves should be accepted.

Problem is who's getting them?

Like we're not gonna say Geodude is large mountain now are we?
 
Analyze them one by one and see which ones are outliers and which ones aren't.

We don't scale the Final Fantasy XII cast to Low 2-C because Zodiark nukes a universe in his attack.
 
How can ya tell. As is Z moves are above anything a normal pokemon can do except maybe, being generous here, Tyranitar. Yeah that's the point but how do we tell when and when it doesn't count? And legends already scale.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Z moves should be accepted.
Problem is who's getting them?

Like we're not gonna say Geodude is large mountain now are we?
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I mean Geodude can tank the force of Rhyperior using them as projectile weapons and not be worse for wear so...
 
There's a bunch of Tier 7 feats that we ignore going from the Pokémon Thread on the OBD, and there's Pokémon who do Building level feats passively. Also Darkanine calced a 6-C feat for a non-legendary as a low-end.

So stuff like Pokémon we thought weren't much becoming Mountain level wouldn't surprise me.
 
If I remember correctly, those were Magikarp on the verge of evolving so it wouldn't scale to regular Magikarp but it would scale to Gyrados.
 
Aight, just wanted to speak about the OP for a second (the post, not the person). Just wanted to answer the circular scaling.

A lot of it comes from the transition from High 6-A to 5-C back down to Hogh 6-A, and the justifications didn't change in that final transition.

Mega Mewtwo was originally scaled to Zygarde being near the power of Yveltal/Xerneas, but then Mewtwo went to moon level, and Zygarde for scaled to him instead. The justification there wasn't changed when they got downgraded. But this is how it is:

Magearna>~Zygarde 100%>Xerneas=Yveltal>~Zygarde 50%=Mega Mewtwo=Shiny Genesect>>>Base Mewtwo=Mew=Darkrai=Cresselia=Normal Genesect=Deoxys=<Mega Rayquaza>>>Rayquaza>>>>Kyogre and Groudon=High 6-A
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
There's a bunch of Tier 7 feats that we ignore going from the Pokémon Thread on the OBD, and there's Pokémon who do Building level feats passively. Also Darkanine calced a 6-C feat for a non-legendary as a low-end.
So stuff like Pokémon we thought weren't much becoming Mountain level wouldn't surprise me.
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6-C? Alakazam , right? In that blog, Dragonair also got a 7-C (Town Level) feat calc for storm making. The same episode has the Pokedex entry mention it being able to manipulate weather. Snowstorms & rain if my memory serves.

Incidentally, Dragonair recently got a High 7-A result from one of Darkanine's calcs.

It's also possible that given multiple Dragonair were in the scene that many made it & not just 1. It could just be 1 starting it, since the storm happened after a specific 1 jumped.

Anyway, even if we aren't willing to put this pseudolegendary line middle stage Pokemon at 7-A or High 7-A now, I really think there's precedent for adding Weather Manipulation to Dragonite's profile, or putting Dragonair & maybe also Dratini keys into it & listing Weather Manipulation for Dragonair.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Pokemon Sun & Moon be bringing the upgrades, bby.
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Apologies if I'm bothering you.

Assuming you mean for Dragonair, reluctant as I am to do so, my principles demand that I question if it wasn't an outlier. Yes, one is a 7-C feat, & another is a High 7-A feat, which I think some may consider a similar enough sort of range.

I'm sure you all know all this, already, but for clarity's sake....

It's not like it was the same feat both times. Besides the 7-C feat being from a scene with almost certainly only 1 Dragonair & the High 7-A feat being from a scene with (highballing) 10 or maybe even 20 Dragonairs (I haven't counted.), which means it could be MAYBE divided among them assuming we don't stand by the assumption 1 specific Dragonair caused it, IIRC, the clouds covered the sky much more thoroughly in the High 7-A feat than the 7-C one.

So it's not like it was the same or very similar feat arbitrarily getting different results.

But the difference between the 7-C Feat's (If I did my math here in this post right.) 16 Kilotons (16,000 tons) & the High 7-A Feat's 1.9 Gigatons (1,900,000,000 tons) is a factor (is that the word?) of 118,750.

Even dividing that among 20 Dragonairs, it's still 5937.5 times higher than the other individual's feat, which leaves few other easily verifiable variables, as I see it, other than timeframe.

I'd assume that that is a considerable, if not ENORMOUS difference.

While I'm not exactly certain on what would make the feat an outlier, saddening as it would be, I wouldn't be surprised if this showing was deemed as implausibly powerful for the species.

Or it gets accepted as new precedent in spite of the lower feat simply because of Dragonair's current lack of calculated feats to set precedent, from, presumably.
 
Outliers aren't determined this way. For example, Goku's 3-B/3-A feat isn't an outlier even if it's 50 digits above Cell's 4-B statement.

If Dragonair was fodder for a lot of 8-A characters it would be an outlier, for example. But it isn't the case seeing how there are other feats of the same caliber from normal Pokemon
 
Sorry, but i will handle the upgrades which are:

Downgrade Mewtwo and Base and Speed Deoxys to at least Low 6-B.

Deoxys Attack and Defense scales to Rayquaza at least High 6-A and not to Mega Ray where it got stomped.

Revise all the trainers by adding the 10-B key and upgrade their team stats given the new upgrades.

Upgrade Pokémon speeds to Massively Hypersonic+ via lightning Pokémon and downgrade all the High 8-C Pokémon to 9-B since Magikarp calc is not usable.

Ash and his Pikachu are at best are 6-C, everything above is outlier.

Dragonair feat does not scale to other 8-A+ Pokémon.
 
This is why Pokemon goes through so much stuff...Everyone has to work like a team and not take everything up themselves. We all must work together otherwise we'll be disorganzed and some people will be out of the loop. You can't just say "I'm gonna do it" without the agreement of the others.
 
It's a really big work and it's really complicated for only one to do it. It's better if i explain what i planned.
 
I'll have to recheck, but doesn't attack Deoxys punches Rayquaza without becoming a puddle which would scale his AP and dura to each other? Because defense wise, Base Deoxys>>>>>>attack Deoxys=speed Deoxys
 
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