Pokémon: Kyogre upgrades

[Arceus0x]

either way the calc is becoming irrelevant in face of 5-B upgrades rn

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also, even Base Rayquaza stomped Deoxys in Movie 7, so even in base it's still 5-B

Honestly I don’t consider this a stomp. Rayquaza more or less had Deoxys caught off guard when that happened

And the 2 Deoxys’s that fought Rayquaza later in the movie didn’t suffer the same result, so while Ray can be stronger, I don’t think the difference is stomp worthy.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Honestly I don’t consider this a stomp. Rayquaza more or less had Deoxys caught off guard when that happened

And the 2 Deoxys’s that fought Rayquaza later in the movie didn’t suffer the same result, so while Ray can be stronger, I don’t think the difference is stomp worthy.

That was because there were 2 of them. Rayquaza tanked all of Deoxys' attacks with ease and even when got hurt, it was relatively unscathed and could easily shrug the damage done to it off

Dexoys also always used its attack forme to attack Rayquaza, which is >> Base Deoxys

 

[Arceus0x]

tbh Rayquaza hyper beaming Deoxys is a one-time thing that happened off guard, not to mention that hyper beam is somewhat above the average AP of the pokemon. (Also Mewtwo > Rayquaza cause he managed to pierce Deoxys' gem and Ray didn't)

That was because there were 2 of them.

irrelevant to Attack Potency

Dexoys also always used its attack forme to attack Rayquaza, which is >> Base Deoxys

wrong, it is simply somewhat above, not >>

 

[Arceus0x]

Anyways we do have an idea of how Kyogre floods the earth when the first thing he does is this

 

[Arceus0x]

bump

 

[Arceus0x]

also the feat in the vid ain't half bad, it called upon a colossal storm in a second

 

[Sniper670]

Did this Pokémon seriously try to murder humanity for waking it up?

Isn't 5C op proposed kind of lowball? I mean Ray isn't so far beyond it that he stomps.

 

[Arceus0x]

Did this Pokémon seriously try to murder humanity for waking it up?

Isn't 5C op proposed kind of lowball? I mean Ray isn't so far beyond it that he stomps.

i mean i am proposing to upgrade everyone to 5-B either way with evidence i provided

 

[Sniper670]

Then op should update it then. Any stranger will think 5C is the proposal

 

[Arceus0x]

Then op should update it then. Any stranger will think 5C is the proposal

i mean i am proposing it, if Strym agrees he'll add it

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

But didn't even Base Rayquaza was able to overwhelm Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre to end their clash?

It was said Rayquaza only Mega Evolved for the first time in the Primals second fight

If so, then we shouldn't scale Base Kyogre (and Groudon) to Rayquaza

 

[Arceus0x]

But didn't even Base Rayquaza was able to overwhelm Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre to end their clash?

It was said Rayquaza only Mega Evolved for the first time in the Primals second fight

If so, then we shouldn't scale Base Kyogre (and Groudon) to Rayquaza

it seemingly defeated them, it didn't overwhelm them. Also to not scale them to Rayquaza they would need to have been stomped by Rayquaza, meanwhile we see that they weren't. Rayquaza has a type advantage against both of them too so it is only reasonable that it can beat them in primals.

 

[Sniper670]

Base Ray is "At least 5B" while Groudon/Kyogre is at high 6A.

That gap suggests a stomp, of which it's not

 

[StrymULTRA]

i mean i am proposing it, if Strym agrees he'll add it

Tbh, I'm quite interested, and main focus was only 5-C.

If is rejected, you should close this and make your own thread.

 

[Arceus0x]

Tbh, I'm quite interested, and main focus was only 5-C.

If is rejected, you should close this and make your own thread.

ok mate. Do your thing and if it gets accepted i'll still make it, it's just that this will act as support

 

[StrymULTRA]

ok mate. Do your thing and if it gets accepted i'll still make it, it's just that this will act as support

No I mean to close this lmao.

The argument of the Thread got changed and Kyogre feat upgrade got rejected.

 

[Arceus0x]

No I mean to close this lmao.

The argument of the Thread got changed and Kyogre feat upgrade got rejected.

i've provided evidence for Kyogre's means of world nuking so...

 

[StrymULTRA]

i've provided evidence for Kyogre's means of world nuking so...

In Primal not base lmao.

 

[Arceus0x]

In Primal not base lmao.

i mean Primal is just Kyogre but thicc and somewhat stronger. His abilities don't suddenly change into a completely different thing

 

[Ego]

like together they could stop Eternatus and it seems they could barely do damage to it. Idrk i want other people's opinions on them

Did this Pokémon seriously try to murder humanity for waking it up?

Isn't 5C op proposed kind of lowball? I mean Ray isn't so far beyond it that he stomps.

TBH that's how I feel whenever someone wakes me up on my day off from work

 

[StrymULTRA]

i mean Primal is just Kyogre but thicc and somewhat stronger. His abilities don't suddenly change into a completely different thing

It literally does.

Primordial Sea is not Drizzle.

 

[Sniper670]

TBH that's how I feel whenever someone wakes me up on my day off from work

Haha... This cracked me up

 

[Arceus0x]

It literally does.

Primordial Sea is not Drizzle.

wait...drizzle summons rain...bro you can just say his passive is summoning rain out of nothing and here you go, there's your proof

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

it seemingly defeated them, it didn't overwhelm them. Also to not scale them to Rayquaza they would need to have been stomped by Rayquaza, meanwhile we see that they weren't. Rayquaza has a type advantage against both of them too so it is only reasonable that it can beat them in primals.

Zinnia liteally says Base Rayquaza's power overwhelmed both of the Primals, combined as it singlehandily defeated both of them. At this point you're just in denial

This makes it clear that if even Base Rayquaza alone overwhelms both Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre combined power, there's no way we can scale the even weaker Base forms to Base Rayquaza. Base Kyogre should just scale to its own feat

 

[Arceus0x]

Zinnia liteally says Base Rayquaza's power overwhelmed both of the Primals, combined as it singlehandily defeated both of them. At this point you're just in denial

This makes it clear that if even Base Rayquaza alone overwhelms both Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre combined power, there's no way we can scale the even weaker Base forms to Base Rayquaza. Base Kyogre should just scale to its own feat

i ain't in denial, it's just that you didn't give me scans and there's also the fact that this doesn't matter. This doesn't prove he stomped them and this doens't prove that they don't scale. Rayquaza beat them, they lost, still doesn't say they don't scale.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

i ain't in denial, it's just that you didn't give me scans and there's also the fact that this doesn't matter. This doesn't prove he stomped them and this doens't prove that they don't scale. Rayquaza beat them, they lost, still doesn't say they don't scale.

Primals may scale to Base Rayquaza together (or rather, downscale as they were both defeated by Rayquaza). Base Kyogre and Groudon cannot be scaled though

Oh, and there's the scan that proved that Rayquaza first Mega Evolved in its second battle against Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre

 

[Arceus0x]

Primals may scale to Base Rayquaza together (or rather, downscale as they were both defeated by Rayquaza). Base Kyogre and Groudon cannot be scaled though

that's just an absolute you are putting without providing any evidence. Overwhelmed isn't stomped or anihilated. Someone with 2x your power will obviously overwhelm you. In fact, the manga panels shown above suggest that they were indeed overwhelmed and they could barely match rayquaza in a hyper beam clash

 

[StrymULTRA]

wait...drizzle summons rain...bro you can just say his passive is summoning rain out of nothing and here you go, there's your proof

The intensity of the rain is much different.

Regardless the OP got derailed and I'll ask to close.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

that's just an absolute you are putting without providing any evidence. Overwhelmed isn't stomped or anihilated. Someone with 2x your power will obviously overwhelm you. In fact, the manga panels shown above suggest that they were indeed overwhelmed and they could barely match rayquaza in a hyper beam clash

I don't say Rayquaza stomped the Primals, but you can't scale Base Kyogre to Rayquaza because Primal Kyogre is just so much stronger and has way better feats compared to Base

 

[Arceus0x]

I don't say Rayquaza stomped the Primals, but you can't scale Base Kyogre to Rayquaza because Primal Kyogre is just so much stronger and has way better feats compared to Base

someone being somewhat stronger =/= them not scaling. Heck, i ain't even suggesting to scale them to Rayquaza, rather, i want them 2x below rayquaza or more