Pokemon God Tiers Question (Possible Downgrade)

[fandom_22Easy]

So I've asked a few times for scans on this and I've yet to see any at all. Can I get scans that Arceus, Palkia, Giratina, and Dialga, exist as a single entity across the Pokemon Multiverse, and that there aren't just one Arceus, Palkia, Giratina, and Dialga for each universe.

Otherwise, a downgrade to Low 2-C seems appropriate.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Oh dear god no hahahaa

 

[TriforcePower1]

This is like, the tenth time someone tried to do the exact same thing.

Just look at the "Related Threads" section and look for yourself.

 

[Zeifyl]

I'll give a few quotes, but as Triforce already has stated, this has been attempted so many times it's not really worth the effort to upload scans anymore.

"The birth of Palkia.

The creator of parallel dimensions...

To arrive in the same universe.

It is the blessing of Palkia."

"Across space and time. One heart."

 

[DMB_1]

The only issue I have is that they seem to have Low 2-C avatars or sealed forms, such as in Cyrus' case. They originally had a Low2-C/2-C key alongside their current reading, but for some reason, it got removed.

 

[Zeifyl]

The only issue I have is that they seem to have Low 2-C avatars or sealed forms, such as in Cyrus' case. They originally had a Low2-C/2-C key alongside their current reading, but for some reason, it got removed.

Something something no evidence they were weaker than their true forms, if I remember correctly.

 

[DMB_1]

Then why does Cyrus has a Low 2-C key?

 

[Zeifyl]

Then why does Cyrus has a Low 2-C key?

No clue.

All I said was the reason of the 2-C key removal, according to my memory.

 

[DMB_1]

It's kinda weird because, with all the Pokémon revisions, I have no clue if they can actually create their own avatars, or if it's just Arceus that brought them to a physical form.

If they can make multiple avatars of themselves at once, then I doubt they would be as strong as the original form, even if not by much.

 

[Executor_N0]

Cyrus's reason for having a Low Key 2-C is because Dialga / Palkia he controls are trapped in a pokeball, so according to Team Galatic himself these Pokémon can not demonstrate their true power.

So we know that in pokeball, they are weaker. We do not know how much, but we know that even in this state they were able to destroy Cyrus' old universe and create a new one. And Cyrus also planned to do that with the US / UM universe, so they're definitely at least Low 2-C.

Although I would not see any problems putting a Key in the profile of these Pokémon for when they are limited by pokeball.

 

[Zeifyl]

Cyrus's reason for having a Low Key 2-C is because Dialga / Palkia he controls are trapped in a pokeball, so according to Team Galatic himself these Pokémon can not demonstrate their true power.
So we know that in pokeball, they are weaker. We do not know how much, but we know that even in this state they were able to destroy Cyrus' old universe and create a new one. And Cyrus also planned to do that with the US / UM universe, so they're definitely at least Low 2-C.

Although I would not see any problems putting a Key in the profile of these Pokémon for when they are limited by pokeball.

Question is, though... Does that limiter also affect Giratina or Arceus, or only Dialga and Palkia?

 

[Executor_N0]

Maybe, but we do not know for sure.

 

[fandom_22Easy]

This is like, the tenth time someone tried to do the exact same thing.
Just look at the "Related Threads" section and look for yourself.

It is not my job to look for proof of a claim the profile makes, and then proceeds to not provide proof for. STILL nobody has provided scans. How can you honestly support 2-B when there is no proof on the profile to support this. Have you ever thought that ten threads have been made because there is no proof on the profile. Have you considered maybe we should change that?

 

[Executor_N0]

 

[fandom_22Easy]

Thank you. This thread can be closed now.

 

[Xerkser500]

Not adding in much since this thread, like the 10+ other ones, have already been answered and countered.

However, at this point shouldnt we add a discussion rule about this? This is starting to get kind of bothersome (in general, no offense to the OP specifically) when this has been talked about more than enough times already.

 

[Executor_N0]

I believe that the questioning is valid, since we do not have scans of this in the profile or blogs that are linked to the profile. I believe that if we simply put the scans in the Pokémon profiles, the questioning about the tiers would decrease.

The scans exist, they simply aren't in the profile

 

[Xerkser500]

Oh no, I'm not saying the question can't be asked. Im just saying if it's the EXACT same question that has been repeatedly answered then a discussion rule, with links to the threads where its been answered, should be appropriate.

Though I of course agree the scans should be added to the pages, blogs, etc.

 

[Executor_N0]

In the case I believe this is repeated because the profiles have never really been updated with scans. Almost always when new information emerges, only a mention to it is thrown onto the page without indicating exactly what the feat is.

I believe we should first update the profiles with the scans mentioned and then if the situation repeats then a rule can be created.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Just pull an Ex and make a blog lol

 

[Executor_N0]

Being honest, I could do the Pokémon blogs if I was not busy with Digimon. But as soon as I finish Digimon, I intend to start Pokémon. At least I gave up doing Sonic 0v0

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Finally you're doing a franchise I'm not rivaled with

 

[Xerkser500]

Actually wait, a question or 2 b4 this thread is locked as I just want a simple opinion and that's all.

My first question has to do with how the CT only have T3 concepts or don't have abstract existence because there's no evidence that they rely on their concepts to continue living. Whatever the case was.

Wouldn't the CT only being easily defeated by Arceus in battle, but not killed, imply that they can rely on their concepts to continue living? I can agree w/ it being PIS that Arceus didn't instantly one shot them, but what should be acceptable was that because Arceus only used regular attacks on the CT, they were just very easily overpowered and defeated, but the attacks didn't kill them. And im sure evem a bloodlusted Arceus wouldnt have opted in killing the CT if it meant their concepts would be destroyed in the process as a result.

Also, Dialga at the very least has shown to be able to continue making actions, even when his physical self was beaten to Oblivion (time warping Ash and the others forward and back through time).

So correct me if im wrong here, but couldnt this indicate the CT can rely on their concepts to continue living?

 

[NeoZex6399]

Should Arceus get all the resistances for each type due to the plates?

 

[Dragopentling]

This thread is pointless. The very thing it was questioning was already confirmed multiple times in other threads.

 

[VindictiveLoser]

@Dragopentling The point of the question here wasn't that the information and proof didn't exist on the wiki, but that it wasn't on the profiles or in a linked blog post so finding it is made more difficult for regular users or those who are unfamiliar with the site layout. The OP even said that earlier in the thread, "It is not my job to look for proof of a claim the profile makes, and then proceeds to not provide proof for." Putting it simply, the proof should've been added to the profile or a linked blog the first time this question was raised, and the other instances wouldn't likely have happened at all. That's what most other verses do, at least from what I have gathered.

Digimon alone has at least a dozen. And while some are probably a bit outdated regarding tiering thanks to the sheer number released and the amount of time it takes, they contain a hefty amount of relevant information. I'd recommend anyone interested in the verse read through them, it seems intimidating at first but it was quite enlightening. To be honest I've been meaning to re-read them myself because I'm sure there's some important information I've forgotten.

By the way this isn't intended as an attack or insult I'm just saying I don't think that response was necessary, especially when everyone else in the thread had already handled the issue quite well. I'll be unfollowing after posting this, since it was all I wanted to say and there doesn't seem to be much use in me lingering here.