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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

Jinx666 said:
Masters Ex adds side-piece character lore, which is appreciated but ultimately not important. Thats as far as it goes in terms of 'canon', since thats the only official statement on it and not your reaches.
You only think its huge because you take every single thing literally (like Olivia saying that Pokemon Trainers get 'tired' in battle too, thus you try and claim they are comparable to their Pokemon), but otherwise its its own isolated story with the biggest fanfic-crossover premises for the sake of pumping out new units for people to buy. Just look at the Arc Suits.

Z-A however is an actual main-line console game, that actively follows on from official story beats in the same developed setting, and goes into more detail about actual lore such as Zygarde, the Pokemon War, Mega Evolution etc. It adds new official content too thats going to be carried on through games yet to come. No matter what you think about the story, your feelings regarding it dont matter to the status of its canon.

They are not the same.
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I forgot you just… didn’t read my CRT at all before trying to lecture me on it.
 
This isnt your CRT. I simply Disagree with your reaching points. Thats what a CRT is. you make your case and people are allowed to rebuttal as they wish. Ive addressed all four of your main points, and if you cant fathom how anyone can possibly deign to disagree with you, then the site isnt for you. It doesnt mean i never 'read' what you had to say.

That being said, your CRT has said nothing about Legends ZA, and you are now trying to claim that Masters EX is canon over it. All because you blatantly dont like it. You let your bias control your judgement.
You dont need a CRT to know why this is blatantly wrong.

So instead of trying to dodge a response, how about just leaving it alone?
 
Theres no direct word of God, believe me i've tried looking.
But one of Pazdera's very points links to a quote where they say Masters EX is only canon in regards to the character writing (meaning they write the characters in Masters EX as they would in canon, not derivating from their personality etc.)
This doesn't account for the crazy story beats that wouldnt make sense if they were in the main timelines (and any adjacent ones such as USUM)

Other than that, i don't see why people don't find Masters EX not canon off of vibes alone. I never felt this discussion even needed to have been said, and Masters EX variants should just be delegated to separate profiles of the character (like every other verse is fine with doing). It'd be different if they outright confirm Masters EX and its events were canon to the mainline, but they dont and they are made by completely separate people to the mainline
 
Jinx666 said:
This isnt your CRT. I simply Disagree with your reaching points. Thats what a CRT is. you make your case and people are allowed to rebuttal as they wish. Ive addressed all four of your main points, and if you cant fathom how anyone can possibly deign to disagree with you, then the site isnt for you. It doesnt mean i never 'read' what you had to say.

That being said, your CRT has said nothing about Legends ZA, and you are now trying to claim that Masters EX is canon over it. All because you blatantly dont like it. You let your bias control your judgement.
You dont need a CRT to know why this is blatantly wrong.

So instead of trying to dodge a response, how about just leaving it alone?
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Then why do you keep (badly) mentioning my points from it? I know that's a lie because you told me that my other points were stupid so that means they don't count, and only read like a third of one of them and attacked me for things that the scan addressed. I wouldn't be talking about who the site isn't for, Jinx.

Yes, because I made it in July and you've filibustered it for 3 months with no consequences to keep it from passing. "Erm you only found out it contradicts mainline, Masters, and Legends itself because you don't like it!!!"

I'm not about to let a bully walk all over me and decide what's canon based on feelings.
 
There is no universe in which a mobile spin-off takes precedent over a mainline console game when it comes to canon. Just no.

Anyways for those who played it, what’s everyone’s thoughts on Z-A? I quite enjoyed it myself, and might post a proper review later if i feel like it. I also took some screenshots/recordings of the game during my time playing that could be important to lore/scaling, so I’ll post them later too.
 
This is about you trying to make Masters EX a superior canon to the mainline games, not about the 'canon split'? As much as i disagree with people lazily needing to make everything canon for this verse, its not the issue at fault here.

I hope now at least people can see its giving you an excuse to try and denounce the real canon.
 
Jinx666 said:
This is about you trying to make Masters EX a superior canon to the mainline games, not about the 'canon split'? As much as i disagree with people lazily needing to make everything canon for this verse, its not the issue at fault here.

I hope now at least people can see its giving you an excuse to try and denounce the real canon.
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"real canon" doesn't contradict all the other games. Z-A isn't even mainline.
 
Guys if there's anything I learned from dealing with Sean in the Zelda thread, it's not to take his ideas on what is and isn't canon seriously lol.

Ghengiroo115 said:
Anyways for those who played it, what’s everyone’s thoughts on Z-A? I quite enjoyed it myself, and might post a proper review later if i feel like it. I also took some screenshots/recordings of the game during my time playing that could be important to lore/scaling, so I’ll post them later too.
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Anyway my aunt always gets me Pokemon games when they come out so been playing it over the weekend, honestly might be the most fun I've had with the series since Black and White 2. Graphics are passable, which uh I guess is a massive step from Arceus and SV? Games got a lotta charm, gamepla loop is pretty satisfying, and in terms of comedy might have the funniest dialouge in the series, these NPCs say some wild shit.

Also I like the implifcation that Ingo just returned to the present because he felt like it, I dunno if there's any real explation given for how he got back but I hope the game leaves it at just "It's time for me to return".
 
Arceus0x said:
garbage opinion 1 vs. garbage opinion 2

Yeah no I'mma finish my Ho-Oh thing and pull out of this site, I was thinking for a second to do one last hoorah with a pure 2-A upgrade but no, if that's what i'd be leaving it in then it ain't worth it.
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Yeeee
Dust_Collector said:
Also I like the implifcation that Ingo just returned to the present because he felt like it, I dunno if there's any real explation given for how he got back but I hope the game leaves it at just "It's time for me to return".
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He just said: "I must go now, my planet needs me." And disappeared
 
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Dust_Collector said:
in terms of comedy might have the funniest dialouge in the series, these NPCs say some wild shit.
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Not dialogue, but that one moment where the camera slowly zooms in super close to Urbain/Taunie’s blank stare for no reason actually killed me. The way it sits there for a good few seconds before they actually say anything too.
 
Also I can’t believe I didn’t ask this before, but what are everyone’s thoughts on the new Megas?
For me the standouts have got to be Drampa (my favourite), Emboar, Froslass, Barbaracle, Dragalge, Hawlucha, Chesnaught, My Friend Malamar and Falinks. I don’t really care for Meganium, Feraligatr or Pyroar, but aside from those three I like all the new Megas. Even Starmie grew on me after seeing it in-game, I unironically love that guy now.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Also I can’t believe I didn’t ask this before, but what are everyone’s thoughts on the new Megas?
For me the standouts have got to be Drampa (my favourite), Emboar, Froslass, Barbaracle, Dragalge, Hawlucha, Chesnaught, My Friend Malamar and Falinks. I don’t really care for Meganium, Feraligatr or Pyroar, but aside from those three I like all the new Megas. Even Starmie grew on me after seeing it in-game, I unironically love that guy now.
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Almost all of them suck.
 
Out of curiosity, Is it really true that the timeline is split between the non-mega (basically where mega evolution isn't discovered) and the mega timeline?
 
Mr._Propeller_Hat said:
Out of curiosity, Is it really true that the timeline is split between the non-mega (basically where mega evolution isn't discovered) and the mega timeline?
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Why wouldn't it be? Sincerely asking, since I'm not 100% up to speed on what the arguments to the contrary are. Anyone have more info?
 
Mr._Propeller_Hat said:
Out of curiosity, Is it really true that the timeline is split between the non-mega (basically where mega evolution isn't discovered) and the mega timeline?
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It's supposed to be, from what I recall. Basically, if the Ultimate Weapon was used during the Pokemon War, Mega Evolution exists. If it wasn't used, then Mega Evolution doesn't exist (please ignore Rayquaza's situation).

At least, that's what I remember being the case.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
It's supposed to be, from what I recall. Basically, if the Ultimate Weapon was used during the Pokemon War, Mega Evolution exists. If it wasn't used, then Mega Evolution doesn't exist (please ignore Rayquaza's situation).

At least, that's what I remember being the case.
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Rayquaza's situation? As in, being able to Mega Evolve without a Mega Stone?
 
Mr._Propeller_Hat said:
Out of curiosity, Is it really true that the timeline is split between the non-mega (basically where mega evolution isn't discovered) and the mega timeline?
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No, it's not. That was a fanon someone made up for the Delta Episode.

The scientists built a device that would send Grand Meteor Delta to another universe, but Zinnia (The Millennial writers' mary sue OC) smashed it and said something like, "What if it went to a universe where they didn't even have Mega Evolution to defend themselves?" And then the powerscalers just rolled with it and decided that means every game before X and Y is a different universe.

Another form of "evidence" they provide is that in the postgame of ORAS, you meet some of the people from the opposite Team of your game, and they talk about the main Evil Team from the game and say something like, "In a different world, that could've been us!" Not only do they not know anything at all about timelines, it says nothing about previous games, so it would simply be a nod to the other ORAS game.

So no, the timeline is not split, and the rumor was made by people who want crazy multiverse stuff to happen.
 
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