Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

[Jinx666]

We still making composite protagonist filler pages without calling them 'Player'? And scaling game characters to Ash (anime character?)

This verse among other things needs an actual unanimous scaling measure. Idk why we're still allowing all this.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

FWIW, from what I've seen in the CRTs of his I've checked, Sean bumps his CRTs at an, IIRC, reasonably regular rate.

Part of the issue is lack of Staff evaluation. After all, that is necessary for a CRT to conclude.

Practically speaking, AFAIK, knowledgeable members & supporters stating their agreement or disagreement can help influence decisions, & their debates can influence conclusions.... But unfortunately, if the right people don't answer, the notion of making progress can become quite unlike what may be expected.

I messaged SEVEN DIFFERENT mods for my Pokemon GO CRT and not one of them responded lol

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

We still making composite protagonist filler pages without calling them 'Player'? And scaling game characters to Ash (anime character?)

This verse among other things needs an actual unanimous scaling measure. Idk why we're still allowing all this.

Correct, that was always allowed. Yes, because that was ruled to be allowed a long time ago.

We have and use that.

 

[Jinx666]

It really wasn't Sean. Just because an Elio profile slipped under the cracks, and Pokemon isnt managed enough for anyone to care doesn't mean it was always 'allowed'.

You dont though, your profiles are a scaling mess. Can you also fix the formatting, theres so many issues.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

It really wasn't Sean. Just because an Elio profile slipped under the cracks, and Pokemon isnt managed enough for anyone to care doesn't mean it was always 'allowed'.

You dont though, your profiles are a scaling mess. Can you also fix the formatting, theres so many issues.

So you’re gonna be like this today. No only did none of the mods take it down (for not breaking any rules), for its time it was one of the most impressive Pokemon trainer profiles on the site. Nobody’s even complained about it to this degree since then. I wouldn’t call it “slipped through the cracks” at all. It was allowed again from the moment that the canon split was undone, if that even mattered since the anime and the games have crossed over so many times and they can both react to their Pokemon.

…I’m going to avoid saying what I want to about your profiles. I don’t see why I should, the only real thing that’s missing is Discussion links since they come from before you could put those in Sandboxes.

 

[Jinx666]

It slipped through the cracks, Protagonist profiles on the mainline are dependent on the player's choices. This verse isnt managed. No one wants to do the work and its been like that for a while. Theres no consistency to the profiles, the canon is mixed and matched for whatever reason, and if i didnt call it out, people would have left Masters EX scaling to fester about out of nowhere (with no attempt to adjust existing profiles to it), despite everyone other than you agreeing it shouldnt be used in mainline, at most without discussion.

You need to hop off the 8 year old Reuniclus profile ong. That doesnt mean anything.
You havent named them appropriately (such as calling it 'Ethan (Pokemon)', there is more than one profile that goes by 'Ethan'), you're not boldening the category names (like Attack Potency), you're not adding any categories period, you're not separating crucial info in a user-friendly way, you're just making huge lengthy lists when you can literally make a compress window for them (stuff like berries arent worth mentioning anyway), the writing is too informal, you're calling these people 'extraordinary geniuses' for some reason etc.
Not to mention you trying to slip Masters EX stuff through again. And how literal you take everything for the sake of putting another power on there. 'Ethan has supernatural willpower because he walks with his pokemon and wants to face strong opponents!'

The Ethan profile doesnt even talk about his Pokemon. You've just posted a bunch of unfinished pokemon profiles at once, went 'ooo lets light this candle!!!!' meaning you knew this would look bad, and called it a day.

 

[Jinx666]

Like whatever at this point, This verse is NEVER getting fixed

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

It slipped through the cracks, Protagonist profiles on the mainline are dependent on the player's choices. This verse isnt managed. No one wants to do the work and its been like that for a while. Theres no consistency to the profiles, the canon is mixed and matched for whatever reason, and if i didnt call it out, people would have left Masters EX scaling to fester about out of nowhere (with no attempt to adjust existing profiles to it), despite everyone other than you agreeing it shouldnt be used in mainline, at most without discussion.

Great! I choose to actually play the game that the profile is about. "I never picked up a Covenant weapon in a run in Halo 3, that means Master Chief actually has no experience with Covenant weapons lul" It's pretty consistent actually, though not all profiles are updated to the current ratings. The canon split was undone, remember? You acting like a baby until people finally took pity on you is not "calling it out", and as usual, I could simply do everything if nobody else wanted to update the profiles. God knows I collected the feats. Literally everybody agreed with me. You screamed at people on my CRT and delayed it for 3 months so you could have the satisfaction of derailing and ruining the thread.

You need to hop off the 8 year old Reuniclus profile ong. That doesnt mean anything.
You havent named them appropriately (such as calling it 'Ethan (Pokemon)', there is more than one profile that goes by 'Ethan'), you're not boldening the category names (like Attack Potency), you're not adding any categories period, you're not separating crucial info in a user-friendly way, you're just making huge lengthy lists when you can literally make a compress window for them (stuff like berries arent worth mentioning anyway), the writing is too informal, you're calling these people 'extraordinary geniuses' for some reason etc.
Not to mention you trying to slip Masters EX stuff through again. And how literal you take everything for the sake of putting another power on there. 'Ethan has supernatural willpower because he walks with his pokemon and wants to face strong opponents!'

I never mentioned it. Lol.
"Naming something appropriately" is purely subjective and doesn't even have anything to do with formatting. All other Ethan profiles have a last name. This one doesn't. Weird thing to nitpick. That's an issue that happens when you copy/paste the profile template, also barely even matters. Compress windows make the profile appear smaller, I'm not doing that in a time when we need to look the most strong. Not that it's against the rules to do that either, lol. "Extraordinary Genius" is the level of intelligence above Genius on our Intelligence page. Damn, sorry I put a picture on my own profiles that originated from Masters, regardless of how much it means to the series or adds to the character. Won't not do that again. That's a strawman, and his Pokemon had the reasoning listed, not Ethan himself.

The Ethan profile doesnt even talk about his Pokemon. You've just posted a bunch of unfinished pokemon profiles at once, went 'ooo lets light this candle!!!!' meaning you knew this would look bad, and called it a day.

But I thought it was up to the player's choice, remember? Also, malicious strawman aside, wtf are you even talking about?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Like whatever at this point, This verse is NEVER getting fixed

Maybe try to fix it yourself instead of shout at us what you want to make us do?

 

[Jinx666]

Idk why you're yapping abt Halo but im not reading it. This isnt going on forever again

You did, thats literally your go-to whenever you wanna try and bash my profile-making when...that was literally 8 years ago lol? You can keep trying to demean how i make profiles as a whole but at least i've kept up with the modern formatting. Amongst your issue with 'making the profile look smaller', thats specifically also the problem. People dont like scroll-fest pages, especially when its a bunch of useless stuff (like naming every berry the player can obtain, and not anything specific to the canon character of Ethan?). It doesnt look strong, your dumb philosophy of 'a profile is armor for the verse that we will use to fight Digimon with!' doesnt apply here, it looks cluttered. Take a look at ANY actual modern-standard profile and you'll see they use tabber boxes and bullet points when necessary, not dedicated entire scroll spaces to stuff like berries and random unassigned items.

And no, there is also a profile just called 'Ethan' that then lists its verse name afterwards. You need to make the distinction.

It is up to players choice yeah. It shouldnt even exist as a profile unless its going to take a canon interpretation of Ethan. We literally already had this discussion when it came to making profiles for the mainline character-profiles, but as usual, you ignore it.
If you're gonna make a profile for a pokemon trainer character, then yeah, you should talk about what ACTUAL pokemon they have instead of making up a bunch of stuff like 'he has supernatural willpower and hes an extraordinary genius'. Otherwise, maybe the profile didnt need to be made? Maybe this is the issue with making profiles for their mainline counterparts? Theyre full of tons of variables?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Amazing how you can type but you can't read.

You did, thats literally your go-to whenever you wanna try and bash my profile-making when...that was literally 8 years ago lol? You can keep trying to demean how i make profiles as a whole but at least i've kept up with the modern formatting. Amongst your issue with 'making the profile look smaller', thats specifically also the problem. People dont like scroll-fest pages, especially when its a bunch of useless stuff (like naming every berry the player can obtain, and not anything specific to the canon character of Ethan?). It doesnt look strong, your dumb philosophy of 'a profile is armor for the verse that we will use to fight Digimon with!' doesnt apply here, it looks cluttered. Take a look at ANY actual modern-standard profile and you'll see they use tabber boxes and bullet points when necessary, not dedicated entire scroll spaces to stuff like berries and random unassigned items.

I think I've mentioned it maybe once ever lol. You try to "demean" how I make profiles literally all the time and I don't complain other than point out your hypocrisy. Yes we do, the Digimon verse looks way stronger than the Pokemon verse because of the tabbers you put on the Pokemon verse page and undo other peoples' attempts to remove. I use bullet points all the time.

And no, there is also a profile just called 'Ethan' that then lists its verse name afterwards. You need to make the distinction.

Oh, they just didn't include his last name on... the Ethan Klein Payday crossover skin. Even then they had to include the name of the verse in the title.

It is up to players choice yeah. It shouldnt even exist as a profile unless its going to take a canon interpretation of Ethan. We literally already had this discussion when it came to making profiles for the mainline character-profiles, but as usual, you ignore it.
If you're gonna make a profile for a pokemon trainer character, then yeah, you should talk about what ACTUAL pokemon they have instead of making up a bunch of stuff like 'he has supernatural willpower and hes an extraordinary genius'. Otherwise, maybe the profile didnt need to be made? Maybe this is the issue with making profiles for their mainline counterparts? Theyre full of tons of variables?

Yes, and you were wrong then too. You've ignored all of my points in this conversation alone, so it's not a shock I'm not touching the points you literally lied about.
Damn, sorry I gave him what he actually has. You're the one who noncanonized Masters, remember? I practically had to carve out all my Masters stuff for my Calem and Gloria profiles with a steak knife because of you, and I'll never forgive you for that. Another lie btw, the literal only variable is their Pokemon which my profiles didn't even need to touch upon.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

we shouldnt have 7 crts going anway. 3 is the limit per verse. maybe could be higher for a massive verse like pokemon.. but thats not for sure.

Big and/or really popular series can get around the limit, and I think Pokemon is a large, expansive enough franchise that it could qualify for that.

 

[Jinx666]

You're the one who noncanonized Masters, remember? I practically had to carve out all my Masters stuff for my Calem and Gloria profiles with a steak knife because of you, and I'll never forgive you for that.

Maybe next time stop trying to use non-canon crossover games for mainline scaling, without consulting anyone, just because it makes the characters look stronger. Be more impartal.

Anyway its not like we can say theres a standard for Pokemon profiles so i guess these profiles fit in as badly as any of the other ones. How are we saying the pokemon trainers are Class 10 in Lifting Strength even??? Honey isnt a scaling character, shes strong as a gag. This the same backwards reasoning as trying to use Brock's Happiny and its gag feats as a standard.

Also can you stop trying to use in-game levels to justify power. Swordward and Shieldbert are NOT stronger than Leon just because the game progression requires their pokemon to be higher level.

 

[Lou_change]

FWIW, from what I've seen in the CRTs of his I've checked, Sean bumps his CRTs at an, IIRC, reasonably regular rate.

Part of the issue is lack of Staff evaluation. After all, that is necessary for a CRT to conclude.

Practically speaking, AFAIK, knowledgeable members & supporters stating their agreement or disagreement can help influence decisions, & their debates can influence conclusions.... But unfortunately, if the right people don't answer, the notion of making progress can become quite unlike what may be expected.

I thought I was following at least 4 of them including that one about psychic powers I haven't gotten any notifications from that one for a while was that already concluded I could have sworn it wasn't.

 

[Ebihara]

Big and/or really popular series can get around the limit, and I think Pokemon is a large, expansive enough franchise that it could qualify for that.

The only verse that has this expectation is marvel and dc. Or
"For verses with different continuties/canons, like a Web novel and a Light novel where the two aren't cross-scalable, three CRTs may be open for each one of those."

Also

A member may have up to four active content revision threads at once, no more than two of which can be about the same verse.

We shouldn't have 7 crts open at once.... some of them needs to be temporarily closed.

 

[Lou_change]

Also can you stop trying to use in-game levels to justify power. Swordward and Shieldbert are NOT stronger than Leon just because the game progression requires their pokemon to be higher level.

I mean they fight hop and the player after they deal with eternamax and can compete in the galarian star tournament. So they are at least comparable also they don't have dynamax bands or full teams

 

[Ebihara]

Maybe the max crt rule per verse rule should just be removed. Its entirely unenforced and the world hasn't exploded... like I could point to so many verses that break this rule.

Also please please stop arguring you two. I think I can speak for so many people. We are tired of it and I dont care who is right anymore.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

The only verse that has this expectation is marvel and dc. Or
"For verses with different continuties/canons, like a Web novel and a Light novel where the two aren't cross-scalable, three CRTs may be open for each one of those."

Also

A member may have up to four active content revision threads at once, no more than two of which can be about the same verse.

We shouldn't have 7 crts open at once.... some of them needs to be temporarily closed.

• Marvel Comics and DC Comics are exempt from this rule to accommodate their continuous flow of large amounts of story material. Thus, they may have a maximum of six active threads open simultaneously. This exception also applies to extremely popular verses like Dragon Ball, to be granted on a case-by-case basis.

I think Pokemon could possibly qualify for that.

Maybe the max crt rule per verse rule should just be removed. Its entirely unenforced and the world hasn't exploded... like I could point to so many verses that break this rule.

Yeah, it could just be removed.

Also please please stop arguring you two.

I agree. Sean and Jinx, could you both please stop arguing?

 

[Jinx666]

I mean they fight hop and the player after they deal with eternamax and can compete in the galarian star tournament. So they are at least comparable also they don't have dynamax bands or full teams

And they're fodder. Theres no facts that they contextually put up a fight or even left a struggle. If anything, they're joke characters, and you dont use them to scale or say they're over champion level characters

Every character you fight thats post-legendary or post-champion aren't automatically stronger than the scaling points whatsoever. Levels are just a representation the game progression, they're a mechanic, they don't tell you whats stronger.

 

[Jinx666]

Also please please stop arguring you two. I think I can speak for so many people. We are tired of it and I dont care who is right anymore.

My thoughts and views aren't gonna be hampered for you im afraid. Im not planning on going on for ages but if theres a genuine issue i have with the scaling used, then i'll address it.

This just proves though that trying to sort out this verse is an exhausting task in itself that no one is willing to even challenge atp. It just makes people 'tired' and complacent to subpar quality and faulty scaling

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Maybe next time stop trying to use non-canon crossover games for mainline scaling, without consulting anyone, just because it makes the characters look stronger. Be more impartal.

I did stop doing that, y’know, since you lied to the mods until they made Masters noncanon, and then lied to people on my CRT and delayed it for months and permanently damaged the thread.

Anyway its not like we can say theres a standard for Pokemon profiles so i guess these profiles fit in as badly as any of the other ones. How are we saying the pokemon trainers are Class 10 in Lifting Strength even??? Honey isnt a scaling character, shes strong as a gag. This the same backwards reasoning as trying to use Brock's Happiny and its gag feats as a standard.

Lots of Trainers grapple with their unevolved Pokemon, even in the games. Damn I didn’t know Honey’s feats just didn’t happen because they were like funny or something.

Also can you stop trying to use in-game levels to justify power. Swordward and Shieldbert are NOT stronger than Leon just because the game progression requires their pokemon to be higher level.

I never said that they were. And their levels never pass even Champion’s Cup Leon’s weakest Pokemon until the Galarian Star Tournament... which they are scripted to instantly lose in unless you're one of their partners.

 

[Jinx666]

Broken record atp. I didn't mass mind control vsbw people to turn against your flawed 'takeeverythingtooliteral' scaling, i can barely get people to rally behind fixing this verse.

No they dont, and even then that wouldn't apply to the 10 year olds. No matter what random feats you can pull across different games/mediums that dont coallign, Pokemon contextually does NOT try and say characters are baseline comparable to pokemon whatsoever.
Yeah, Honey as a character is meant to be a subversive take on some 'sweet housewife', until you eventually realise shes actually comparable to Mustard in herself and she also trained at this dojo. You failed to understand the whole gag of her character, and as a result its made you decide to try and scale everyone to her. You can LITERALLY compare how they throw Dynamax balls just to show that Honey physically >>>> the protag, so idk where this bs trying to use her as an lowball is.

You are
"Easily defeated Swordward/Shielbert, whose Pokémon are superior to any challenger in the Champions’ Cup". At best you can say theyre comparable, but theres nothing contextually saying they are superior to anyone in the Champions Cup. Game levels do NOT equal where they scale. This is the same take as you trying to claim Post-Champion Gym leader rematches mean they are now champion level/can apparently be scaled to legendaries.

 

[Ebihara]

My thoughts and views aren't gonna be hampered for you im afraid. Im not planning on going on for ages but if theres a genuine issue i have with the scaling used, then i'll address it.

This just proves though that trying to sort out this verse is an exhausting task in itself that no one is willing to even challenge atp. It just makes people 'tired' and complacent to subpar quality and faulty scaling

I wont get into my opions but I think your both wrong and just repeating the same word vomit (walls of text)at each other over and over.

You like to think that Sean is the only problem here? You need some serious introspection.

 

[Ebihara]

You arent on some grand crusade to defend the pokemon verse either of you. You aee basically endlessly whining at each other the same talking points in every thread while most people ignore both of you cause they are sick of your childish fighting. Take it to private messsges or somthing. We arent trying to stiffle your opions we are just sick of you two bantering over the same thing over and over you clearly will never find any common ground on. You two just follow each other to every thread and start fights. Dont try to act you are on some moral high ground, either of you.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Broken record atp. I didn't mass mind control vsbw people to turn against your flawed 'takeeverythingtooliteral' scaling, i can barely get people to rally behind fixing this verse.

Correct, you simply screamed at them until they took pity on you. Yeah, I wonder why people don't want to "fix the verse" for you, a person who never makes profiles, never makes CRTs, never makes calcs like I do.

No they dont, and even then that wouldn't apply to the 10 year olds. No matter what random feats you can pull across different games/mediums that dont coallign, Pokemon contextually does NOT try and say characters are baseline comparable to pokemon whatsoever.
Yeah, Honey as a character is meant to be a subversive take on some 'sweet housewife', until you eventually realise shes actually comparable to Mustard in herself and she also trained at this dojo. You failed to understand the whole gag of her character, and as a result its made you decide to try and scale everyone to her. You can LITERALLY compare how they throw Dynamax balls just to show that Honey physically >>>> the protag, so idk where this bs trying to use her as an lowball is.

...The people that actually do the feats? Also Jessie literally beat the shit out of her Seviper, so that's a lie.
By your own logic she'd be stronger than Mustard too since he doesn't do that when he throws his Dynamax Poke Ball either. It doesn't even say she trained at the dojo.

You are
"Easily defeated Swordward/Shielbert, whose Pokémon are superior to any challenger in the Champions’ Cup". At best you can say theyre comparable, but theres nothing contextually saying they are superior to anyone in the Champions Cup. Game levels do NOT equal where they scale. This is the same take as you trying to claim Post-Champion Gym leader rematches mean they are now champion level/can apparently be scaled to legendaries.

Leon isn't a challenger, remember? Yes, I do think that the Dawn that defeated Origin Forme Giratina but didn't even fight the 8th Gym Leader yet can't steamroll the rest of the game including postgame Cynthia.

 

[Lou_change]

Depends on the version you play one of them always beats hop. And again they are explicitly using stronger Pokemon during the Galarian Star Tournament

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Personally I think a mainline game or legends game should have precedence over the other games in terms of importance

Considering that the Legends games are said multiple times to be part of the core/mainline game series, I think that's just obvious to take them over a mobile gacha spinoff

 

[StekFence]

Basically yeah

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Since revisionism is taking over the fandom again to make Z-A look good, Pokemon dropped support for PLA so abruptly that Masters had to take over telling Rei's story. Masters is also what they used to patch up all the plot holes and contradictions that PLA introduced. They absolutely intended for Masters to give additional context to PLA. Z-A simply cannot fit in either timeline.

 

[Lou_change]

Or maybe masters is a what if scenario

 

[Jinx666]

You arent on some grand crusade to defend the pokemon verse either of you. You aee basically endlessly whining at each other the same talking points in every thread while most people ignore both of you cause they are sick of your childish fighting. Take it to private messsges or somthing. We arent trying to stiffle your opions we are just sick of you two bantering over the same thing over and over you clearly will never find any common ground on. You two just follow each other to every thread and start fights. Dont try to act you are on some moral high ground, either of you.

Im not doing any of this? Acting as if i do half as much of the stuff Sean is.

He releases bad quality profiles, that goes against the need for discussion we've already established, and suddenly you think im as pokemon-manic as he is and im trying to take a moral highground. If anything, this is you tryna talk down at any sight of discussion, cause this is why he's been allowed to get away with it.

 

[Jinx666]

Since revisionism is taking over the fandom again to make Z-A look good, Pokemon dropped support for PLA so abruptly that Masters had to take over telling Rei's story. Masters is also what they used to patch up all the plot holes and contradictions that PLA introduced. They absolutely intended for Masters to give additional context to PLA. Z-A simply cannot fit in either timeline.

Theres 0 way you're trying to claim ZA is less canon than Masters just because its actively, once again disproven and contradicted that all the trainers dont just go rot in Pasio. Masters EX isnt mainline canon. end of.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Theres 0 way you're trying to claim ZA is less canon than Masters just because its actively, once again disproven and contradicted that all the trainers dont just go rot in Pasio. Masters EX isnt mainline canon. end of.

Yes, I am. The game that actively spits on canon and is just supposed to be a fun adventure that doesn't tie into anything is noncanon, while the game that's supposed to represent the zenith of all the characters' stories is canon.

 

[Jinx666]

"ZA isnt canon because it doesnt tie into Masters!!! Also i dont like it!', isnt this the exact same logic you were trying to use to say Crown Tundra/Isle of Armor wasnt canon

ZA is literally a 5-year XY continuation

It doesn't matter how much you dislike it, it doesn't mean its not a mainline game unlike the gacha crossover mobile game that has 0 mention in anything canon.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

"ZA isnt canon because it doesnt tie into Masters!!! Also i dont like it!', isnt this the exact same logic you were trying to use to say Crown Tundra/Isle of Armor wasnt canon

ZA is literally a 5-year XY continuation

It doesn't matter how much you dislike it, it doesn't mean its not a mainline game unlike the gacha crossover mobile game that has 0 mention in anything canon.

Strawman. I never said it doesn't tie into Masters, although it doesn't do that either.

 

[Jinx666]

No, it doesnt tie into Masters. No game directly ties into Masters, its Masters that takes things from that and makes a crossover gacha game

Theres still no mainline mention of Pasio, no mention of any of the events surrounding it, and overall does its own thing.

Trying to claim another mainline canon game, on an actual console that introduces a bunch of new megas, storybeats and direct lore about the XY plotline, isn't canon all to conserve the Masters EX mountain is ludicrous. I cant believe any serious Pokemon powerscaler to think this, no matter how much they dislike it.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

No, it doesnt tie into Masters. No game directly ties into Masters, its Masters that takes things from that and makes a crossover gacha game

Theres still no mainline mention of Pasio, no mention of any of the events surrounding it, and overall does its own thing.

Trying to claim another mainline canon game, on an actual console that introduces a bunch of new megas, storybeats and direct lore about the XY plotline, isn't canon all to conserve the Masters EX mountain is ludicrous. I cant believe any serious Pokemon powerscaler to think this, no matter how much they dislike it.

Bro did NOT read the FAQs in my CRT

“When Masters adds new lore it’s noncanon, but when Z-A does that it’s fine”

 

[StrymULTRA]

Masters should be non canon by default by being a dirty gachaslop ngl

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Masters should be non canon by default by being a dirty gachaslop ngl

 

[Jinx666]

Masters Ex adds side-piece character lore, which is appreciated but ultimately not important. Thats as far as it goes in terms of 'canon', since thats the only official statement on it and not your reaches.
You only think its huge because you take every single thing literally (like Olivia saying that Pokemon Trainers get 'tired' in battle too, thus you try and claim they are comparable to their Pokemon), but otherwise its its own isolated story with the biggest fanfic-crossover premises for the sake of pumping out new units for people to buy. Just look at the Arc Suits.

Z-A however is an actual main-line console game, that actively follows on from official story beats in the same developed setting, and goes into more detail about actual lore such as Zygarde, the Pokemon War, Mega Evolution etc. It adds new official content too thats going to be carried on through games yet to come. No matter what you think about the story, your feelings regarding it dont matter to the status of its canon.

They are not the same.