Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

So how was everyone's hauls this first day of GO Tour?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Ok, so apparently they deleted my Galaxy Team profile presumably by accident when they also deleted my Calem and Gloria profiles. That didn't have anything wrong with it, right? Galaxy Team has no Masters scaling since it's not in Masters.

 

[Imaginym]

On the topic of protagonist characterization, diplomas, NPCs (For example, an NPC in Cerulean City acts incredulous about the player character making a Pokemon encyclopedia.) saying how strong they are, professors evaluating the Pokedex progress....

There's a lot of evidence in statements that they are dedicated, passionate, prodigious trainers. It'd be strange for them to NOT catch Pokemon, & it'd also probably be strange for them to just randomly store everything they catch & do a solo starter run.
Heck, RSE & S/V necessarily can't be fully completed in their main story without catching a second Pokemon for the mandatory double battles.
& I'm confident Gen 5 has mandatory Triple Battles, even if it wouldn't be strange for them to ignore it.

& if you're going to argue someone with the protagonist's characterization doesn't catch Pokemon or deposits everything to use only mandatory obtains, it'd be a bit suspect to argue they go for Gift Pokemon, especially those out of their way.

Not to mention most likely have different scaling chains, & mandatory things; Standard vs Optional Equipment. They all have different equipment.
At least one profile for them all, if not distinct profiles would be reasonable, I'd say.

Red, we all know their story. (& has a Poke Flute unlike most others.)
Gold is the trainer who beats Red & yet never interacts with Mewtwo, unlike them, IIRC. (They also obtain a radio card.)
R/S/E all have mandatory encounters with their Legendaries, even if they can run away. (Has the coloured glass flutes few others use.)

Some have Megas, Z-Stones, different items, etc.

By standards for comprehensiveness for verses for similar genres, by characterizing statements, by statements of progress, the argument to neglect the player characters seems unreasonable to me.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

So how was everyone's hauls this first day of GO Fest?

Don't play GO, more of a Unite/Masters enjoyer, but I wish yours the best if you do play GO.

Aka: Been busy obliterating people with my Speedsters (Specifically Gengar, woo boy). Speedsters did not need that buff and I am dominating rank right now with my Gengar. Unironically we could get the Trainers from Pokemon Unite into Tier 2 because they canonically fight much stronger versions of Leon and Cynthia

I still need to get around making a Pokemon Masters scaling thread. God that's going to take me sometime, especially with the confirmation Pokemon Masters is actually game canon (and anime canon because they decided to bring in Anime Ash like wtf...) since it's explicitly stated to be following as closely to the game's lore as possible (which I haven't found a contradiction yet in playing it and watching it so they're clearly taking that seriously) ... Honestly I think you can even argue Tier 1 scaling because Elio is a thing. .

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Don't play GO, more of a Unite/Masters enjoyer, but I wish yours the best if you do play GO.

Aka: Been busy obliterating people with my Speedsters (Specifically Gengar, woo boy). Speedsters did not need that buff and I am dominating rank right now with my Gengar. Unironically we could get the Trainers from Pokemon Unite into Tier 2 because they canonically fight much stronger versions of Leon and Cynthia

I still need to get around making a Pokemon Masters scaling thread. God that's going to take me sometime, especially with the confirmation Pokemon Masters is actually game canon (and anime canon because they decided to bring in Anime Ash like wtf...) since it's explicitly stated to be following as closely to the game's lore as possible (which I haven't found a contradiction yet in playing it and watching it so they're clearly taking that seriously) ... Honestly I think you can even argue Tier 1 scaling because Elio is a thing. .

I’m already making a Masters CRT, but it was concluded today that Masters is noncanon.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

On the topic of protagonist characterization, diplomas, NPCs (For example, an NPC in Cerulean City acts incredulous about the player character making a Pokemon encyclopedia.) saying how strong they are, professors evaluating the Pokedex progress....

There's a lot of evidence in statements that they are dedicated, passionate, prodigious trainers. It'd be strange for them to NOT catch Pokemon, & it'd also probably be strange for them to just randomly store everything they catch & do a solo starter run.
Heck, RSE & S/V necessarily can't be fully completed in their main story without catching a second Pokemon for the mandatory double battles.
& I'm confident Gen 5 has mandatory Triple Battles, even if it wouldn't be strange for them to ignore it.

& if you're going to argue someone with the protagonist's characterization doesn't catch Pokemon or deposits everything to use only mandatory obtains, it'd be a bit suspect to argue they go for Gift Pokemon, especially those out of their way.

Not to mention most likely have different scaling chains, & mandatory thing; Standard vs Optional Equipment. They all have different equipment.
At least one profile for them all, if not distinct profiles would be reasonable, I'd say.

Red, we all know their story. (& has a Poke Flute unlike most others.)
Gold is the trainer who beats Red & yet never interacts with Mewtwo, unlike them, IIRC. (They also obtain a radio card.)
R/S/E all have mandatory encounters with their Legendaries, even if they can run away. (Has the coloured glass flutes few others use.)

Some have Megas, Z-Stones, different items, etc.

By standards for comprehensiveness for verses for similar genres, by characterizing statements, by statements of progress, the argument to neglect the player characters seems unreasonable to me.

The trouble is that 99% of Pokémon debaters are idiots who don’t think about this stuff. Also Ethan not seeing Mewtwo is only in GS, he fights him in HGSS. And Rayquaza.

 

[Imaginym]

Also Ethan not seeing Mewtwo is only in GS, he fights him in HGSS. And Rayquaza.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Good to know.

 

[Jinx666]

The trouble is that 99% of Pokémon debaters are idiots who don’t think about this stuff. Also Ethan not seeing Mewtwo is only in GS, he fights him in HGSS. And Rayquaza.

If everywhere you go smells like shit, its probably you.

 

[Jinx666]

We already went over how the canon works, the current policy accepts anything remotely connected to the core series of games, notably including the anime and the manga per general statements for the purposes of indexing wild species, as well as anything that is meant to expand the worldview of Pokemon (which includes nearly anything official with a plot). Only trainer profiles and specific Pokemon pages (say, Ash's Pikachu of the anime) would be limited to their own continuity in particular as each one is an specific character by nature, bar those playable in the core series for the reasons discussed before.

And this includes...Pokemon Go? Cause thats where we should be drawing the line. It feels like people are just desperate to have all the Pokemon work at FTL...
Even if you would want to use stuff like...diaogue, or pokedex entries ig, that still shouldnt mean we scale off of a set pokemon animation that works against a completely independent game animation that whoever is playing pokemon go controls.

I can see anime helping on a smaller scale, but we should ultimately make anime characters their own profiles independent of games. Manga idk, but the Manga feels wildly different to everything else to be having it work in tandem. But either way it needs to be stated in a note or something now that we actively make separate profiles for the same characters in different continuities.

 

[Jinx666]

What about Pokemon ranger and manaphy

Idk havent played those in ages. Iirc they have tie ins to the main games and mention other pokemon regions. And manaphy directly originates from it ig.

I'd be open to scaling to those since they don't outwardly contradict mainline timeline like including 'Pokemon Go', 'Pokemon Masters EX', or even putting Lets Go Pikachu/Eevee, with separate mechanics. Pokemon Rangers are also a thing in the anime so...

Yea, and how is it not enough.

Well if you continue reading the post, you'd find out why. You dont have to answer to every individual sentence when i explain why already.

I am pretty sure that the lore implicition is that friendship is awesome and your friendship motivates your friends to aim for higher heights.

Okay what does this have to do with pokemon dodging light? Its not some no limits fallacy because the pokemon 'aim for higher heights'

Why?

Because game mechanics infamously dont allign with actual lore and scaling in pretty much most things.
Unless you think Purugly is actually faster than Latios or smthn

Don't be rude.

Reaper guy is quite literally just a troll whose here to insert himself into the convo and derail. Dont bootlick plz, the guy quite literally lives on this forum

 

[Jinx666]

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Abridged, but theres still way too mnay assumptions and variables in deciding these.

You can barely standardize their kit, even their starter pokemon is a 1/3 chance and wouldn't legitimately be able to have more than one for the story in one team. It'd have to be pokemon that are given to you in story, like idk giving Mega Lucario to the XY protags but even version exclusives dont make anything canon (Does Hilbert/Hilda have Zekrom or Reshiram canonically? N is supposed to canonically have the other, so how can we give them Reshiram AND Zekrom?)

No ones denying they wouldnt have a full team of 6, but its about deciding what they have, instead of just constituting a composite profile under the name of the canonical player character (Ethan, May, Dawn etc.) rather than just calling them 'The Player' or smthn. And making a page where you just make and write ALL of the species, items, powers they can access just for the sake of having them is just, more trouble than its worth.

Like theres just way too many variables that we're essentially making an OC. And its why people havent made protag profiles other than Elio, and even then Elio completely shows why its flawed and a dragging long list of assumptions. Whose to say he didnt choose Primarina or Decidueye? Its just way too difficult.

At best, call these profiles 'Player (Pokemon Insert game here)' instead of naming the page after the actual canon protag name. But even then, its not worth the trouble or the effort. If you want profiles based on the canonical protags, its best to use the Masters EX variants.

 

[Imaginym]

You can barely standardize their kit, even their starter pokemon is a 1/3 chance and wouldn't legitimately be able to have more than one for the story in one team. It's have to be pokemon that are given to you in story, like idk giving Mega Lucario to the XY protags. Even version exclusives dont make anything canon.

You're focusing too much on shown stuff. Dialogue to read indicates the player characters actively seek out & are acknowledged as seeking out whole Regional Dexes worth of Pokemon. Diplomas, professor evaluations, dialogue with random NPCs indicating they're seeking that out, Oak personally going to the player to upgrade their Pokedex to the national Pokedex after they show it to Rowan, that's a story event.

No ones denying they wouldnt have a full team of 6, but its about deciding what they have, instead of just constituting a composite profile under the name of the canonical player character (Ethan, May, Dawn etc.) rather than just calling them 'The Player' or smthn. And making a page where you just make and write ALL of the species, items, powers they can access just for the sake of having them is just, more trouble than its worth.

But you're denying they would catch all of the Pokemon by asserting we should only list all of them.
We are an indexing site. Comprehensiveness & accuracy are paramount, even if outsiders may disagree.

& even with individualized Player Character profiles, you don't need to specify they catch all the Pokemon, just say "They have completed their region's Regional Pokedex" or something to that effect.

Like theres just way too many variables that we're essentially making an OC.

All the stuff I've mentioned to you is stuff in the games.
Just because they're a silent protagonist (& not even entirely, with dialogue choices.) doesn't mean they have no personalities, nor any history. Each of them has their own history, decisions & personality, even if they are meant for the player to project onto them.

It's scarcely an original character when we're going off of what the game has dialogue specifically to imply, or often, outright states, & the player's main goal has proof of.

At best, call these profiles 'Player (Pokemon Insert game here)' instead of naming the page after the actual canon protag name.

If this were the case, I would insist on tabbers & images & keys for all of them.

But even then, its not worth the trouble or the effort. If you want profiles based on the canonical protags,

I disagree.

its best to use the Masters EX variants.

I strongly disagree. My stance is that a mobile spin-off game with so many contradictions with the main canon should not dictate how the protagonists are.

If you want Masters Ex versions, make them their own profiles or keys on that shared protagonist profiles. You should, because by your standard, they're individuals; They're not "OCs" with known dialogue & Pokemon. You saw what Pokemon they pick, & the dialogue.

However, Pokemon's setting is a multiverse, & I think Masters Ex contradicts what the primary canon establishes too much to be considered primary, or even mixed with main game content.

I suggest we agree to disagree. I've read the last few pages of arguments, & I've already resolved to a firm stance.
I have my doubts it would be productive or pleasant for either of us to debate this matter further.

Despite our disagreements, I wish you well, & good luck.

 

[Lou_change]

Okay what does this have to do with pokemon dodging light? Its not some no limits fallacy because the pokemon 'aim for higher heights'

But that is literally something it allows them to do, they literally dodge light

Because game mechanics infamously dont allign with actual lore and scaling in pretty much most things.
Unless you think Purugly is actually faster than Latios or smthn

I mean is there a contradiction

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

And this includes...Pokemon Go? Cause thats where we should be drawing the line.

That's a pretty weird line in the sand to draw since you can directly transfer Pokemon from Pokemon Go to the mainline games, which is one of the only ways to get Meltan and Melmetal.

You already said you were somewhat ok with including Pokemon Ranger since that's where Manaphy debuted, so Pokemon Go should be done by the same logic.

It feels like people are just desperate to have all the Pokemon work at FTL...

As I explained earlier, there are other light speed or higher fears from other pieces of media, but they couldn't be used for the games since Pokemon had a split canon on this website for a year or two.

Idk havent played those in ages. Iirc they have tie ins to the main games and mention other pokemon regions. And manaphy directly originates from it ig.

Reaper guy is quite literally just a troll whose here to insert himself into the convo and derail. Dont bootlick plz, the guy quite literally lives on this forum

I don't see how I'm "bootlicking" for telling you not to be rude to others. Reaper can be a troll at times, bit he didn't seem to be throughout this debate.

 

[Bobsican]

And this includes...Pokemon Go? Cause thats where we should be drawing the line. It feels like people are just desperate to have all the Pokemon work at FTL...
Even if you would want to use stuff like...diaogue, or pokedex entries ig, that still shouldnt mean we scale off of a set pokemon animation that works against a completely independent game animation that whoever is playing pokemon go controls.

I can see anime helping on a smaller scale, but we should ultimately make anime characters their own profiles independent of games. Manga idk, but the Manga feels wildly different to everything else to be having it work in tandem. But either way it needs to be stated in a note or something now that we actively make separate profiles for the same characters in different continuities.

Yeah, besides PoGO having some plot to speak of, it has intercommunication to the core series, and in fact is the only international way to get Meltan registered in the Pokedex for SwSh, which is relevant as Pokedex completion is part of the plot in the series by nature.

As I've said I do agree that profiles for specific characters in a given piece of media shouldn't use "composite" stuff as what they have is way more settled on than being something bound to a general worldview, unless it's for general clarification on how something works or may be used, for example the range of moves. Playable trainers are their own can of worms and should get a CRT of their own.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Literally 99% of what "can't be used" is literally just Jinx666 telling us he doesn't like it. He's already gotten fact after fact after fact wrong about Pokemon Masters, and for literally anyone else that would have ruined their credibility for years, except this seems to have turned into a Space Pirate Captain scenario from Kid Icarus Uprising where he's weaker than all his subordinates but got the position through sheer bossiness.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Literally 99% of what "can't be used" is literally just Jinx666 telling us he doesn't like it. He's already gotten fact after fact after fact wrong about Pokemon Masters, and for literally anyone else that would have ruined their credibility for years, except this seems to have turned into a Space Pirate Captain scenario from Kid Icarus Uprising where he's weaker than all his subordinates but got the position through sheer bossiness.

I don't Jinx666 has any authority over what can and can't be used for Pokemon, they were just giving their opinons on it. This seems like an overreaction, especially since almost no one else agrees with them.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I don't Jinx666 has any authority over what can and can't be used for Pokemon, they were just giving their opinons on it. This seems like an overreaction, especially since almost no one else agrees with them.

He got Masters noncanon with no proof, and in fact tons of proof to the opposite.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Masters should remain in it's AU format, Pokemon GO is fine cause it transfers shit to games.

He got Masters noncanon with no proof, and in fact tons of proof to the opposite.

It was never canon to mainline to begin with lmfao, that was something you came up with with literally 0 input from others

 

[Bobsican]

Masters is usable per statements regarding the worldview being meant to be ensured with it in particular as covered in the doc that undid the canon split. In fact it'd be worth noting that Masters also canonizes Mystery Dungeon. I'd only oppose using Masters for the purposes of "general" Pokemon species as basically all the ones in there are trained and have stuff specifically out of the bonds with their particular trainers.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Masters should remain in it's AU format, Pokemon GO is fine cause it transfers shit to games.

It was never canon to mainline to begin with lmfao, that was something you came up with with literally 0 input from others

GO in general is already an AU, you just admitted it's noncanon.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Masters is usable per statements regarding the worldview being meant to be ensured with it in particular as covered in the doc that undid the canon split. In fact it'd be worth noting that Masters also canonizes Mystery Dungeon. I'd only oppose using Masters for the purposes of "general" Pokemon species as basically all the ones in there are trained and have stuff specifically out of the bonds with their particular trainers.

MD would have it's own scaling IMO lol

GO in general is already an AU, you just admitted it's noncanon.

How do you know it's an AU? There's MUCH more solid proof of GO being Canon than Masters being Canon lmfao

 

[Jinx666]

But that is literally something it allows them to do, they literally dodge light

No, they literally dont.

Can we please just have faithful integrity with this verse please? Jumping through all these hoops to the point we're trying to canonize Masters Ex, or taking game mechanics too literally just shows desperation and no criticality

I mean is there a contradiction

Er yeah. There should quite obviously be a contradiction in that? If you need anyone to explain why, then you really shouldn't be making decisions here

Please do not argue we should take game mechanics

 

[Jinx666]

That's a pretty weird line in the sand to draw since you can directly transfer Pokemon from Pokemon Go to the mainline games, which is one of the only ways to get Meltan and Melmetal.

You already said you were somewhat ok with including Pokemon Ranger since that's where Manaphy debuted, so Pokemon Go should be done by the same logic.

No, because Pokemon Ranger is an actual game, meanwhile Pokemon Go is a mobile cashgrab tie in that takes place in 'our world'
We're trying to use them giving the games compatibility (for trading, pokedex completions etc.) as a means to scale things within lore.

And then even when you're doing that, we're trying to use DEFAULT animations. Its blatant wank

As I explained earlier, there are other light speed or higher fears from other pieces of media, but they couldn't be used for the games since Pokemon had a split canon on this website for a year or two.

I mean all i see on the actual profiles is us literally trying to scale everyone because of a Pokemon Go animation???? Not even a cutscene lmfao

We cant be srs

I don't see how I'm "bootlicking" for telling you not to be rude to others. Reaper can be a troll at times, bit he didn't seem to be throughout this debate.

You are. And yeah, he was. I'll be as 'rude' as I want in response to that and all you are doing is enabling it, you are not my mother. Dont bother replying to this part, focus on the Pokemon stuff plz

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah, besides PoGO having some plot to speak of, it has intercommunication to the core series, and in fact is the only international way to get Meltan registered in the Pokedex for SwSh, which is relevant as Pokedex completion is part of the plot in the series by nature.

PoGo having its separate plot does not mean we use animations that arent default set to one another as a means of a valid calc. This is quite literally clown work im sorry, it shows how desperate people are to scale Pokemon to FTL stuff.

At best its a multiverse thing, but it is NOT mainline, and not valid enough whatsoever to be using this as verse-wide speed feats.

Like idk, it seems crazy that we've allowed this? Just because they use Pokemon Go as an advertising/branch game to create more Pokemon fans? Next people are gonna want profiles for the playable avatar in Pokemon Go

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

MD would have it's own scaling IMO lol

How do you know it's an AU? There's MUCH more solid proof of GO being Canon than Masters being Canon lmfao

Because it has to cross universes to enter the main game?

 

[Jinx666]

He got Masters noncanon with no proof, and in fact tons of proof to the opposite.

• 'tons of proof'
• 4 statements spread across different interviews, with nothing being in official games/sources, and its all just you taking things way too literally, misinterpreting or grasping at straws
• Masters EX was never considered canon here in the first place and that was something you decided to do on your own, as literally EVERYONE ELSE here is telling you.

Im not listing ALL of the Masters EX inconsistencies and ways it contradicts stuff in the original games. Ive never played it honestly. You YOURSELF know that, since you tried to act as if the player in SwSh DIDNT beat Leon, and that the DLC wasnt canon, all because it 'contradicted Masters'.
The whole premise of Masters EX, and its position as a sideline, live mobile cashgrab game should tell you everything you need to know. IF you had any integrity when it came to scaling this verse ofc, and wasnt just trying to load composite non canon info into mainline.

 

[Jinx666]

Yo

Abridging im not doing these long quotepost things anymore

Despite all that theres no confirmed or canonical information that the player quite literally 'caught em all', or if they mastered it. The only game this excludes is Legends Arceus where you need to catch them all to reach Arceus.

No, cause we dont know squat if the canonical interpretations of the characters caught all the pokemon or indexed them. The charactcer we play as ISNT Gloria/Victor/Whoever Else, its quite literally just 'The Player'

There isnt no personality or anything when it comes to the playable version of the character no. It is quite literally just a virtual avatar for us. Extended media/canon gives a completely separate written character based on the protag designs but its not them.

It REALLY is not worth the effort or trouble int he state this Verse is in. Lets think critically here. Pokemon on this wiki needs to be fixed before people even attempt making a convoluted assumption-based composite page trying to represent the player character.

Despite whether you disagree or not, as long as someone can logically account for Masters EX, then versions that pull from that game can most definitely make for individual profiles. Thats just the freedom. As long as it isnt mixed in with mainline like whateverhisnameis was tryna do, then thats fine. Masters EX on its own has a plot and story beats to pull from

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Lies, lies, and more lies. Literally Word of God wasn't enough to convince you lmfao, and I already told you that maybe 99.99% of fiction just expects you to know it's canon instead of saying, "Hey, we're canon!"
It was considered canon here until you started screaming and crying about a game you've never played.

And you never have, because you don't have anything other than them retconning Crown Tundra and only Crown Tundra.

"sideline" fanon
"live" correct
"mobile" irrelevant
"cashgrab" SwSh and S/V are canon

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

No, because Pokemon Ranger is an actual game, meanwhile Pokemon Go is a mobile cashgrab tie in that takes place in 'our world'
We're trying to use them giving the games compatibility (for trading, pokedex completions etc.) as a means to scale things within lore.

Pokemon Go is a video game too.

And yes, we are. Pokemon Go is the only permanent way to legitimately get Meltan and Melmetal to complete the Pokedex, and we've always used the ability to trade and transfer Pokemon to determine what's canon or not because that sort of stuff is mentioned in the games. Seriously, I don't see the big deal here.

And then even when you're doing that, we're trying to use DEFAULT animations. Its blatant wank

We've always used game animations for that sort of stuff for most video games.

I mean all i see on the actual profiles is us literally trying to scale everyone because of a Pokemon Go animation???? Not even a cutscene lmfao

We cant be srs

I already told you, that's because it's an artifact of when the Pokemon canon was split. The pages are just outdated.

You are. And yeah, he was. I'll be as 'rude' as I want in response to that and all you are doing is enabling it, you are not my mother. Dont bother replying to this part, focus on the Pokemon stuff plz

Again, please explain how I was "bootlicking?"

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

At best its a multiverse thing, but it is NOT mainline, and not valid enough whatsoever to be using this as verse-wide speed feats.

It's more mainline than Pokemon Ranger.

Like idk, it seems crazy that we've allowed this? Just because they use Pokemon Go as an advertising/branch game to create more Pokemon fans?

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's non-canon or unusable.

Next people are gonna want profiles for the playable avatar in Pokemon Go

Sure, I don't see a problem with that.

 

[Jinx666]

It's more mainline than Pokemon Ranger.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's non-canon or unusable.

Sure, I don't see a problem with that.

Please stop talking

Its increasingly obvious you just want Pokemon to be FTL so they can be stronger. In ALL of Pokemons media, we cant find literally any other better example???

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

• 
  
• Masters EX was never considered canon here in the first place and that was something you decided to do on your own, as literally EVERYONE ELSE here is telling you.

That is incorrect.

Pokémon: Nearly Everything is Canon

As some may recall, years ago a sort of canon split was done across all Pokémon media, considering each series, including the manga and animes, as separate canons. However, the reasons for this are questionable and simply go against the overall way the canon for the series works. There are...

vsbattles.com

Masters is accepted as canon. It might not be mainline, but it is canon.

 

[Jinx666]

Pokemon Go is a video game too.

Its a mobile game, and not part of the mainline whatsoever. With literally a whole different set of mechanics. Please udnerstand the difference

And yes, we are. Pokemon Go is the only permanent way to legitimately get Meltan and Melmetal to complete the Pokedex, and we've always used the ability to trade and transfer Pokemon to determine what's canon or not because that sort of stuff is mentioned in the games. Seriously, I don't see the big deal here.

Its the 'way' to obtain the Pokemon, but that doesnt mean that its a canon occurence in the mainline pokemon canon? Like, be serious

We've always used game animations for that sort of stuff for most video games.

Difference is, those are cutscenes or animations used to act together. This is just a default animation over another default animation

I already told you, that's because it's an artifact of when the Pokemon canon was split. The pages are just outdated.

Yeah then lets start putting it to standards. Pokemon is a super popular franchise and its better we stop basing our speed feats for the Pokemon off of Pokemon Go please. Anyone outside of this site would tell you its ridiculous

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Please stop talking

Its increasingly obvious you just want Pokemon to be FTL so they can be stronger. In ALL of Pokemons media, we cant find literally any other better example???

Literally in the Gen 1 anime it's established that base Digletts can move at light speed, and many Pokemon can easily tag them. It's you that wants Pokemon to be weak.

 

[Jinx666]

That is incorrect.

Pokémon: Nearly Everything is Canon

As some may recall, years ago a sort of canon split was done across all Pokémon media, considering each series, including the manga and animes, as separate canons. However, the reasons for this are questionable and simply go against the overall way the canon for the series works. There are...

vsbattles.com

Masters is accepted as canon. It might not be mainline, but it is canon.

Yeah, and i obviously mean Mainline. Even though none of this talks about Masters EX

Theres a whole multiverse confirmed in this Verse. PLEASE stop being an enabler of this

 

[Jinx666]

Literally in the Gen 1 anime it's established that base Digletts can move at light speed, and many Pokemon can easily tag them. It's you that wants Pokemon to be weak.

This is like, the biggest joke a Pokemon powerscaler could make, literally infamous. It exposes how desperately you want this verse to be FTL

Start being critical

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Yeah, and i obviously mean Mainline.

Theres a whole multiverse confirmed in this Verse. PLEASE stop being an enabler of this

Actual Digimon fan logic. "Well, the verse is a multiverse, it has to have happened somewhere!"

 

[Lou_change]

No, they literally dont.

Can we please just have faithful integrity with this verse please? Jumping through all these hoops to the point we're trying to canonize Masters Ex, or taking game mechanics too literally just shows desperation and no criticality

Then what are they making it miss, light speed or at least near light speed reactions are consistent across multiple mediums. The games take place in a bunch of different universes given in fact most of the multiverse ignoring infinite stuff is different copies of mainline games. Prove the contradiction that prevents cross scaling we have evidence across multiple mediums pokemon are comparable to each other from different worlds.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Please stop talking

Its increasingly obvious you just want Pokemon to be FTL so they can be stronger. In ALL of Pokemons media, we cant find literally any other better example???

I already told you why there's only feat on the pages. If you looked around (especially on the verse page), you'd find the other feats used for scaling.

Pokémon: Lycanroc Dodges Solar Beam

vsbattles.fandom.com

An FTL feat from the anime.

Poliwrath reacts to Doom Desire

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A Relativistic feat from the Adventures manga.

Pokémon: Starapator Also Dodges Solar Beam

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A Relativistic feat from the anime.

Pokemon: Empoleon reacts to and blocks Mothim's signal beam

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Another Relativistic feat from the anime.

I'm pretty sure there are others, but these were the ones on the verse page.