PMMM upgrades

[Kaltias]

I mean, isn't Mami the only instance?

 

[Peter1129]

Well there's also Homura and her at most 6-C forcefields. Also Homulily and her Low 5-B shields. Oh right there's also that other girl from Tart Magica with 6-B barriers I think her name was Pernelle. She has a 1.5 for offense and a 5 for defense. I think the forcefields should at the very least scale to their AP.

 

[Kaltias]

Not sure. I'll wait for SD

 

[SomebodyData]

Huh?

Are you guys trying to scale AP... from forcefields?

 

[SomebodyData]

As for CMG Homura, thats probably because her arrows are akin to Madoka's who can bypass that sort of things.

 

[Peter1129]

No it's the other way around. Since Puella Magi forcefields have always shown to be a higher tier than AP so I thought maybe the forcefields used by the Moksha Wraith which CMG Homura destroyed can give this Homura a Tier.

Edit: Dang it just remembered her arrows have barrier piercing.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

But what about Homura destroys AoC "head" (Something that even False Madoka fails to do) to reveals her shield inside of it? I know Homura arrows are mostly hax, AoC was still alive and kicking and still able to fight back, and Homura smithing ability is OHK right?

So, there is a possibility of her using pure AP to break AoC "head". Can we considered that as AP feats for CMG Homura?

 

[SomebodyData]

I think that it fell under her smiting ability. You got remember AoC is... resilient, to say the least.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

So, another Resistance for AoC then?

 

[SomebodyData]

Nah, I'm trying to say its regen, literally all of its immortalities, and then Kyubey's resurrection makes it nearly impossible for a ohk to actually ohk

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

No wait, every enemy got smithed by Homura got dissolving into black flame. AoC head however, cracked before it broke down.

 

[SomebodyData]

I'm not sure if that's because of the smiting, or how corrupted wraiths die.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

AoC dies after Homura put her hands on her shield.

 

[SomebodyData]

Ye? I'm not sure why that needs to be mentioned.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I mentioned it cuz AoC weakness says that you have to smite Homura's shield in order to kill it. But first, you gotta break through its defense which is AoC "head" which has Small Planet Dura.

So, AoC surviving smithing from Homura due Kyubey reasurection or immortalities is unlikely.

 

[SomebodyData]

I don't see how that changes anything? It would mean that AoE wise it isn't that potent, or that the shield doesn't count as part of its body.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Fair enough.

 

[Kaltias]

Btw given that Oktavia is now actually a pretty strong witch, probably we should stop saying that she is the second weakest witch in the profiles

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

We should fix Homulilly striking strengh too.

 

[Kaltias]

Right, will do

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

What should we do to Lapin rating 4? Should we listed her as "A least 7-B likely, 7-A"?

 

[Kaltias]

Well, a 0.5 difference is still pretty significant (look at Kyoko vs False Sayaka) so I would only rate her as "at least 7-B, possibly 7-A (Her rating of 4 places her between Second Timeline Madoka Kaname and Mami Tomoe)"

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Seems alright.

Also, in Rebellion, Homura gun destroyed Mami ribbon, so High 7-A base Homura?

 

[Kaltias]

Uh right, we have to upgrade Homura's weapons since she one shot Oktavia. "At least Low 7-B, likely 7-B" like Kyoko?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

NO! REBELLION SHOWED US THAT HOMURA GUN IS HIGH 7-A.

 

[Kaltias]

PIS m8

She will never be upgraded ovo

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Just wait for the new movie and her highness shall reign once again, Muwahahahahhahaha.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Mellisa 3.5 Rating Should we add "At least" to her current tier or leave it be?


What about her Dura as well?

 

[Kaltias]

No, 3.5 is 18 megatons scaling from Second Timeline Madoka who scales from Patricia. Ratings below 4 are fine as they were before

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Okay then, forgot about that.

 

[Kaltias]

Bumping.

Lapin "at least 7-B, possibly 7-A" and Homura's weapons "At least Low 7-B, likely 7-B"

 

[Kaltias]

Also, I was wondering, would Mami be 7-A+? She is far weaker yes, but even a tenth of Madoka's feat would be 7-A+ (It's 5500 megatons while 7-A+ starts at 550)

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Is there any proof of Mami being tenth of third timeline Madoka in strength?

 

[Kaltias]

You mean like a statement of having a tenth of her AP? No.

I'm trying to determine how much weaker she can be compared to Wal while still being able to do something. If it's a tenth or more, 7-A+. If it's less, 7-A (legit can't be lower than that)

For a similar reason Kyoko's lowball should be Low 7-B+

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Well, WN can takes on Tiro finale for several dozens minutes. So, Mami is likely below tenth of her strength perhaps.

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah but 10x as a gap is pretty freaking big. It's as big as the gap between High 7-C and Low 7-B for example.

Also Kyoko's lowball being Low 7-B+ seems fine? If she was over 6 times weaker than False Sayaka, she would have been stomped

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I see. We should wait for SD input for this.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Oh Kal, Kazumi post-cannibalism key should be updated, can I do it now?

 

[Kaltias]

It should?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

(Should be superior to the second weakest witch in the series, that being Oktavia). Since Oktavia is low 7-B, likely 7-B now. Kazumi should have the same rating as well.