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Phoenix Ikki (No Cloth) Vs. Archer (Fate/Extra/Stay Night)
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This is just a stomp thread it is not even funny.
Perhaps what made you choose to make this match is the fact that the Saints only have Superhuman+ Durability without any Cloth. Now, that much is true, as they are still, to some extent, human phisically.
However, what truly determines the power of a Saint is his Cosmos, not his Cloth, the later only assists in channeling the former in a more efficient way. Basically, any Cosmo User with sufficient control of his power can surround himself with his Cosmos to increase his durabilty. See, for instance, Seiya's battle with Saga, where he fought Clothless. Or all the battles in which Shiryu fought without any protection. Or better yet, Lyra Orphee, whose armor is that of a mere Silver Saint, but through his Cosmos he could tank attacks that would kill your average Gold Saint.
This isn't even mentioning the absurdly faster speeds and Attack Potency.
Perhaps what made you choose to make this match is the fact that the Saints only have Superhuman+ Durability without any Cloth. Now, that much is true, as they are still, to some extent, human phisically.
However, what truly determines the power of a Saint is his Cosmos, not his Cloth, the later only assists in channeling the former in a more efficient way. Basically, any Cosmo User with sufficient control of his power can surround himself with his Cosmos to increase his durabilty. See, for instance, Seiya's battle with Saga, where he fought Clothless. Or all the battles in which Shiryu fought without any protection. Or better yet, Lyra Orphee, whose armor is that of a mere Silver Saint, but through his Cosmos he could tank attacks that would kill your average Gold Saint.
This isn't even mentioning the absurdly faster speeds and Attack Potency.
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Going with all of the above.
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So the saints are just as powerful without the cloth but weaker in defense if so the ikki wins
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If what Matthew said is true(which it obviously should as he seems very knowlegeble in it), then yes.TISSG7Redgrave said:
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Ikki genma kens him and destroys his mind
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Alright sticking with Ikki right hereCrossverseCrisis said:
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......Aw shit?KamiYasha said:
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One: Massively Faster Than Light+ is a very vague term, how fast exactly is he?KamiYasha said:
Secondly: Ikki's greatest feat of speed is, like all the other Legendary Bronze Saints, crossing the hyperdimensions in minutes (Or several days, going by Toei's anime verse), which puts him at around Quadrillions - Quintillion times the speed of light. However, all the Bronze Saints had Cloths bathed in the blood of Athena, and their Cosmos was exceeding that of the 8th Sense.
Going by reasonable assumptions, considering that Seiya was Massively Hypersonic at the very start of the Gold Saint Arc, and that awakening the 7th Sense made him Lightspeed (A speed increase of about x800,000 give or take), than it wouldn't be crazy to assume that awakening the 8th Sense would give a similar boost in speed, going from FTL+ top tiers with the 7th Sense to a low MFTL+.
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He should still logically have his stats excluding most of his durability.He mastered 8th sense Pandora''s necklace only aided him against the cosmic forces that would kill him i'd say hes slower without cloth a given that cloth apparently have cosmo but not a lot.
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Wait if the servants are MFTL+ why isnt saber also?
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Honestly speaking, I think they'd be more or less on the same range of speed, with High End Archer slightly above him. However, I don't see any way of Archer doing damage to Ikki, unless he could break through his Cosmos and hit his human body.
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You could've put the whole Nasuverse in there and it still wouldn't make a lick of difference. What defines a saint is his cosmos. Ikki was able to survive his own blows (at least galaxy level) reflecting back at him with no cloth because he had his cosmos burning. Even without a cloth Ikki could blink and completely obliterate the Nasuverse.
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KamiYasha said:
Akasha doesn't count as a character! It's like saying the space around us is a character, or calling entropy a viable vsbattles combatant. Also Word of God states that combatatively speaking Void Shiki could only fight defensively against a servant. So yeah...somebody like Caster is more of a threat than the 3-A.
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Shiki RyougiPhantasys said:
Either way if you think that Akasha doesn't count as a character, Please, make a thread explaining why.
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Yeah the same one, well it's a really vague statement from Nasu. I mean, if the character can...
"change the laws governing atomic matter, going back in time to change the evolution and development of all life, and reconstructing the orders and laws of the universe would be easy for her to accomplish. It is noted that it is not actually changing the existing universe but instead annihilating the old one with a new reality"
And can only fight defensively against the servants is completely ridiculous.
"change the laws governing atomic matter, going back in time to change the evolution and development of all life, and reconstructing the orders and laws of the universe would be easy for her to accomplish. It is noted that it is not actually changing the existing universe but instead annihilating the old one with a new reality"
And can only fight defensively against the servants is completely ridiculous.
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Ikki would be demolished by a Low 2-C being even with his God Cloth.
