Percy Jackson: Hello there! (0/1/0)

[DaReaperMan]

Because Obi-Wan finally has a good profile, I get to do shit like this!

Rules​

1. All three characters consider this a friendly spar. That means no maiming, no major stakes, etcetera.
2. Win by surrender or K.O, no matter how brief.
3. Obi-Wan is in his Clone Wars key
4. Percy and Annabeth are in their last keys
5. Speed is equalized
6. Both sides are aware of eachother's sheer power.
7. Battle takes place at a Camp Half-Blood training ground.
8. Start 5 meters away.
9. Kenobi has a training Saber

Votes​

Percy Jackson & Annabeth Chase: 0

Obi-Wan Kenobi: 1

 

[Nonynho]

Peak creativity lmfaoooooo

 

[Nonynho]

So, can jedi's senses get invisible stuff?

 

[DaReaperMan]

So, can jedi's senses get invisible stuff?

I'm pretty sure there's no outright invisibility in Canon, but Obi-Wan still has his Precognition

 

[Nonynho]

Well, since they'll be sparring, Obi shouldn't be fully using his senses like Ahsoka in that cool af Order 66 scene, and more than once has Annabeth used Percy as distraction to get something done while invisible
So it is a line of thought to have her becoming invisible and trying to incap him via martial arts with literal ADHD buff

 

[Epyriel]

I'm pretty sure there's no outright invisibility in Canon, but Obi-Wan still has his Precognition

There is Count Dooku vs the Night Sisters’ assassination attempt where he fights them blind in TCW, so it would seem like they can manage.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, since they'll be sparring, Obi shouldn't be fully using his senses like Ahsoka in that cool af Order 66 scene, and more than once has Annabeth used Percy as distraction to get something done while invisible
So it is a line of thought to have her becoming invisible and trying to incap him via martial arts with literal ADHD buff

Kenobi can't like, turn his precognition off. In fact in a spar he'd want it on since he's training, basically.

There is Count Dooku vs the Night Sisters’ assassination attempt where he fights them blind in TCW, so it would seem like they can manage.

Yeah but that's someone like, demonstratably above Obi-Wan in basically every sense. Espeically in this key.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

So, can jedi's senses get invisible stuff?

The first thing 5-year-old children learn is to act according to the Force and not their senses. As long as a Jedi senses a being, they don't need to see it; in fact, not seeing it allows them to concentrate better and fight better, since they delve deeper into the Force.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Obi shouldn't be fully using his senses like Ahsoka in that cool af Order 66 scene

A Jedi's senses aren't something they can control in that sense. I mean, they can control them if they focus, but basically everything related to senses is done passively by the Force.

Precognition/sense of danger/Force sense in general is instinctive.

Jedi like Ahsoka and Tapal sensing Order 66, or Obi-Wan sensing the destruction of Alderaan, were passively perceived by their senses through the Force. None of them expected it, none of them were focused on it; they just felt the Force warning them about the enormous mess that was happening in another dimension.

Just watch the first episodes of Rebels. Even Ezra, without knowing he was a Force user, could sense that a random guy on the street (Kanan) was doing something "strange" (detecting another Force user). And before starting serious training, the Force was warning him about a lot of things like traps and dangers.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I will say that knowing as much of Percy Jackson as I do, I'd say beyond the invisibility thing and precog, Jedi and Demigods have basically the same senses for combat. And let's be real the precog isn't making Kenobi do shit like Force users do in other matches cause it's a spar. He's unlikely to even disarm them cause what would be the point of fighting unarmed opponents in a spar lmfao

Hell I gave Kenobi a training saber because I couldn't find anything saying that Lightsaber temps can be controlled lmfao

 

[Nonynho]

Well, the line i brought up is a very likely one if not the most likely for Annabeth, Percy would be facing him in swordplay and trying to bring him to a water source if possible, and Percy can't be properly damaged except for a very specific point Kenobi kinda can't know

So either Kenobi is put a bit closer to a water source and takes quite the wave, Annabeth genius her way into a W by somehow surprising Kenobi, or they lose and Chiron calls them for dinner

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, the line i brought up is a very likely one if not the most likely for Annabeth, Percy would be facing him in swordplay and trying to bring him to a water source if possible, and Percy can't be properly damaged except for a very specific point Kenobi kinda can't know

Does he even have that in this key?

Actually, trick question, even if he does, a Lightsaber burns, even training sabers do. It's nothing to do with the invulnerability thing because that ain't what Percy's curse covers.

So either Kenobi is put a bit closer to a water source and takes quite the wave, Annabeth genius her way into a W by somehow surprising Kenobi, or they lose and Chiron calls them for dinner

It's not like Kenobi is unused to fighting multiple opponents, lord knows that was quite literally his day job in The Clone Wars, he'd just not be used to one being able to straight up fight him while the other has to be tricky.

Also, remember, blocking more LS than AP in Soresu seeing as Obi-Wan has pushed back Grievous many times, and Obi-Wan certainly qualifies as supernatural so Riptide does work on him.

 

[Epyriel]

Well, the line i brought up is a very likely one if not the most likely for Annabeth, Percy would be facing him in swordplay and trying to bring him to a water source if possible, and Percy can't be properly damaged except for a very specific point Kenobi kinda can't know

So either Kenobi is put a bit closer to a water source and takes quite the wave, Annabeth genius her way into a W by somehow surprising Kenobi, or they lose and Chiron calls them for dinner

Yeah since this takes place in Camp Half-Blood which has like 2 creeks, borders the ocean, and has a lake right in the middle of it, I can’t imagine it would be difficult for Percy to access more than enough water to win fairly easily.

Would basically just be a matter of whether or not he would be willing to immediately resort to splashing Kenobi rather than fighting with swords in a training match. Although I guess Annabeth could probably just smack him to take it seriously enough to do so lol.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Hell I gave Kenobi a training saber because I couldn't find anything saying that Lightsaber temps can be controlled lmfao

Low-power training lightsabers. But normal lightsabers don't have a temperature variation function. Except for Ezra's lightsaber, his does.

Ostensibly non-lethal variants oi the standardlightsahet. training flightsabers are low powered light - sabers used to train Jedi younglings in ligntsahercombat. Each training lightsaber is equipped with anultra low-output power generator arm either a katiiracite or danite crystal. They produce a massless bladelike that of a full powered lightsaber. but it causesno lasting damage to opponents. This hardwired,low -powered setting allows Initiates to practice theirlightsaber forms without the risk of dismemberingtheir instructors,sparring partners, or selves.This light saber is a basic training lightsaber hilt eontainjngan unmodded training flghtsabei crystal andlow-power emitter. The crystal occupies two of theweapon's hard points.

sourcebook Rise of the Separatists

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah since this takes place in Camp Half-Blood which has like 2 creeks, borders the ocean, and has a lake right in the middle of it, I can’t imagine it would be difficult for Percy to access more than enough water to win fairly easily.

There is also the issue of Kenobi the moment it gets to water being able to pretty easily force Percy out. The Force is a wonderful thing, and Class M vs Class 50 only ends one way. Espeically if Percy starts going for splashes, since Kenobi, upon seeing special powers be used, will use his own.

Would basically just be a matter of whether or not he would be willing to immediately resort to splashing Kenobi rather than fighting with swords in a training match. Although I guess Annabeth could properly just smack him to take it seriously enough to do so lol.

Annabeth very well might the like 4th time he dodges/blocks a sneak attack and gets some of that Obi-Wan sass lmfao

 

[Nonynho]

Does he even have that in this key?

Actually, trick question, even if he does, a Lightsaber burns, even training sabers do. It's nothing to do with the invulnerability thing because that ain't what Percy's curse covers.

I'm quite sure it is covered by the invulnerability but i think it was at the second-to-last key that he got it removed, so i take the invulnerability part back anyway

It's not like Kenobi is unused to fighting multiple opponents, lord knows that was quite literally his day job in The Clone Wars, he'd just not be used to one being able to straight up fight him while the other has to be tricky.

I don't think Annabeth can be of much help here, unless to bring him closer to a water source if they resort to that

 

[Nonynho]

There is also the issue of Kenobi the moment it gets to water being able to pretty easily force Percy out.

If they get close to a water source, Percy can scald him with a big ass wave to get him on the floor instead of trying to get buffs from it

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm quite sure it is covered by the invulnerability but i think it was at the second-to-last key that he got it removed, so i take the invulnerability part back anyway

Yeah I was gonna say, we're using Percy and Annabeth's last keys here. I was gonna make them both 7-B but then I checked where 7-B was scaled and that shot that idea in the foot pretty damn quick lmfao

I don't think Annabeth can be of much help here, unless to bring him closer to a water source if they resort to that

She can still harm Obi-Wan and forces him to stay on his toes instead of just swordfighting Percy until he gets enough openings to make him concede.

If they get close to a water source, Percy can scald him with a big ass wave to get him on the floor instead of trying to get buffs from it

Kenobi only needs minor movements to use the Force, so stopping Percy from washing him is easy(espeically with precog lol). And even if he doesn't do this, Obi-Wan can swim.

 

[Epyriel]

There is also the issue of Kenobi the moment it gets to water being able to pretty easily force Percy out. The Force is a wonderful thing, and Class M vs Class 50 only ends one way. Espeically if Percy starts going for splashes, since Kenobi, upon seeing special powers be used, will use his own.

Isn’t the Class 50 for his physical LS rather than his water control?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Isn’t the Class 50 for his physical LS rather than his water control?

Yeah, but he also doesn't have anything listed for his water control (Percy REALLY should, but regardless), even if he did overtax the Class M, like I said, Obi-Wan can swim, and being underwater isn't going to stop the TK since it isn't like Percy is trying to drown someone or 6-C them in a spar.

Speaking of 6-C, why doesn't Percy have his 6-C powers in last key lmfao

In fact why are the sections for AP shit like "Should" and whatnot

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Yeah, but he also doesn't have anything listed for his water control (Percy REALLY should, but regardless), even if he did overtax the Class M, like I said, Obi-Wan can swim, and being underwater isn't going to stop the TK since it isn't like Percy is trying to drown someone or 6-C them in a spar.

Speaking of 6-C, why doesn't Percy have his 6-C powers in last key lmfao

In fact why are the sections for AP shit like "Should" and whatnot

Obi-Wan is probably capable of doing the same thing as Anakin and Kit Fisto, creating a Force Orb around himself so he can breathe.

 

[Nonynho]

Kenobi only needs minor movements to use the Force, so stopping Percy from washing him is easy(espeically with precog lol). And even if he doesn't do this, Obi-Wan can swim.

Percy's water manip in the line i propose would be to get Kenobi down by pushing him with a strong wave, playfully but he's done it several times in combat too, not to get him underwater

 

[DaReaperMan]

Percy's water manip in the line i propose would be to get Kenobi down by pushing him with a strong wave, playfully but he's done it several times in combat too, not to get him underwater

Certainly no times Obi-Wan has used the force on the ground at disadvantage, huh?

 

[Nonynho]

Certainly no times Obi-Wan has used the force on the ground at disadvantage, huh?

Well, if he gets down because of the water push and doesn't surrender, invisible Annabeth gets a knife on his neck while he's doing those pushes towards Percy, i guess

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, if he gets down because of the water push and doesn't surrender, invisible Annabeth gets a knife on his neck while he's doing those pushes towards Percy, i guess

He has two hands. And he can still precog Annabeth, it's not like he won't be able to tell she's coming up on him.

 

[Nonynho]

He has two hands.

scan you brought showed him using both

And he can still precog Annabeth, it's not like he won't be able to tell she's coming up on him.

While he's coming up "offensively" at Percy, that'd likely give Percy an opening to either throw water at him again, tackle with swordplay or both
So trying the two fronts can end up giving either an opening for one or for the other

 

[Nonynho]

i can't think about them for a microssecond without wanting to read all the first 5 books again*, holy s*, how much i love Battle Of The Labyrinth and The Last Olympian

 

[DaReaperMan]

scan you brought showed him using both


While he's coming up "offensively" at Percy, that'd likely give Percy an opening to either throw water at him again, tackle with swordplay or both
So trying the two fronts can end up giving either an opening for one or for the other

Obi-Wan successfully fought Darth Maul and Savage Opress at the same time, and both of those guys are 1000x more aggressive than either Percy or Annabeth in a fight. Pulling Obi-Wan's defense apart just does not work that way, and he can just like... dodge one or the other. He can also jump tens of meters if he wants for better positioning. Or force push one a dozen meters away repeatedly.

 

[Nonynho]

he can just like... dodge one or the other.

If he dodges Percy's tackling, Annabeth's coming to his ass
If he dodges Annabeth's sneaking, Percy's coming right at him, maybe with even another water push
He's gotta dodge both

He can also jump tens of meters if he wants for better positioning.

That's basically guaranteeing Percy's getting inside a water source (giving him a way better positioning), and Obi taking him outta there can give Annabeth a chance to either pester him, giving Percy openings with water-based stuff or water-amped s*, or try sneaking up, which focusing on her can basically guarantee a water push or force another repositioning, which if made by jumping, can be predicted and get him water-pushed or something alike whenever he would be finishing the 2nd repositioning

 

[DaReaperMan]

If he dodges Percy's tackling, Annabeth's coming to his ass
If he dodges Annabeth's sneaking, Percy's coming right at him, maybe with even another water push
He's gotta dodge both

Or alternatively, he dodges one and quite literally puts his hand out and yeets the other person like Ness Back Throw.

That's basically guaranteeing Percy's getting inside a water source (giving him a way better positioning), and Obi taking him outta there can give Annabeth a chance to either pester him, giving Percy openings with water-based stuff or water-amped s*, or try sneaking up, which focusing on her can basically guarantee a water push or force another repositioning, which if made by jumping, can be predicted and get him water-pushed or something alike whenever he would be finishing the 2nd repositioning

You say that like it wouldn't be easy for Obi-Wan to just pull Percy out from his new position.

Also this is home field for Percy, he's not pulling any natural disasters out of his ass, what he does is gonna be strictly dodgable and not potentially causing collateral.

 

[Nonynho]

Ness Back Throw

He'll have to dodge Percy and the water and yeet Annabeth for that to be the case
Don't think he's dodging both Percy and the water, coming likely from different directions, while still able to react to Annabeth

You say that like it wouldn't be easy for Obi-Wan to just pull Percy out from his new position.

Well, while they're still in the offensive this can be a tiny ordeal, yeah
It'd demand a bit of concentration, which can be broken by the lines i proposed for Annabeth

Also this is home field for Percy, he's not pulling any natural disasters out of his ass, what he does is gonna be strictly dodgable and not potentially causing collateral.

Dodging still demands effort and can lead to openings, so even if he's not using his most dangerous stuff, there is space for that to be used to press on and on until they find the last opening in Obi's kit

 

[DaReaperMan]

He'll have to dodge Percy and the water and yeet Annabeth for that to be the case
Don't think he's dodging both Percy and the water, coming likely from different directions, while still able to react to Annabeth

If he stops Percy he stops the water, then it's Obi-Wan in a 1 on 1 with someone he's got a 5x or so AP gap on. Annabeth is MASSIVELY out of her league in a 1 on 1 with Kenobi, to the point where she might as well just retreat if she doesn't want to get several burns for her troubles

Well, while they're still in the offensive this can be a tiny ordeal, yeah
It'd demand a bit of concentration, which can be broken by the lines i proposed for Annabeth

Same concentration he can do in the middle of an active war zone while being shot at and with what certain Droid General pushing him BTW.

Dodging still demands effort and can lead to openings, so even if he's not using his most dangerous stuff, there is space for that to be used to press on and on until they find the last opening in Obi's kit

Thing is is that Obi-Wan is famously hard to break through for a reason. Vader viewed an old and decrepit Obi-Wan as dangerous enough to be cautious with because of his defense, what do you think a Kenobi whose fighting daily in a war with several lightsaber users in it is gonna be like? Savage, someone who can blow Obi-Wan several feet back, and Maul, someone who can overpower Obi-Wan, working together couldn't break that defense in a straight up fight.

 

[Nonynho]

If he stops Percy he stops the water

Well, wasn't him stopping Annabeth and dodging Percy?
If he's pushing Percy and the water, who are coming from different directions, can he also dodge Annabeth alright?

Same concentration he can do in the middle of an active war zone while being shot at and with what certain Droid General pushing him BTW.

In neither of those scenarios you brought up was Obi pushing from one side and dodging with another 2 or pushing another 2 and dodging 1 (IIRC)

Thing is is that Obi-Wan is famously hard to break through for a reason.

With Percy using the water pushes, it is very quickly becoming 3 fronts of high pressure he'll have to deal with, meaning it should be considerably less hard for an opening to exist then if compared to multiple low pressure fronts or just 2, no?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, wasn't him stopping Annabeth and dodging Percy?
If he's pushing Percy and the water, who are coming from different directions, can he also dodge Annabeth alright?

He doesn't need to stop the water, just Percy. If he decides to do that he's well on his way to overwhelming one. But even if he does Annabeth, Percy vs Obi-Wan 1 on 1 is just gonna frustrate Percy.

In neither of those scenarios you brought up was Obi pushing from one side and dodging with another 2 or pushing another 2 and dodging 1 (IIRC)

Obi-Wan mixes in dodges as often as blocks.

With Percy using the water pushes, it is very quickly becoming 3 fronts of high pressure he'll have to deal with, meaning it should be considerably less hard for an opening to exist then if compared to multiple low pressure fronts or just 2, no?

Every blaster is a high pressure front. If he takes enough non-armored shots he will literally die so yeah, he needs to deflect every blaster bolt.

So make that like 30+ high-pressure fronts.

 

[Nonynho]

He doesn't need to stop the water, just Percy.

If the water's coming from the other direction, like i'm saying it will, he does or else he's pushed again lol

Every blaster is a high pressure front. If he takes enough non-armored shots he will literally die so yeah, he needs to deflect every blaster bolt.

That does not answer me quite well when i say they have more of a chance to break his defense because the fight will devolve into 3 fronts trying to do so, which has a slightly easier time with this objective if compared to 2 fronts like Savage and Maul or even Annabeth and Percy without the water

Obi-Wan mixes in dodges as often as blocks.

Obi is more than likely top 3 competent Jedi Masters, but we're shown that eventually there is an opening if he does all at the same time (Blocking, dodging and force-pushing), again, specially considering 3 fronts hunting for an opportunity

 

[DaReaperMan]

If the water's coming from the other direction, like i'm saying it will, he does or else he's pushed again lol

The water without Percy is just like, low tier. It won't do anything to Obi-Wan.

That does not answer me quite well when i say they have more of a chance to break his defense because the fight will devolve into 3 fronts trying to do so, which has a slightly easier time with this objective if compared to 2 fronts like Savage and Maul or even Annabeth and Percy without the water

Every blaster pointed at him is one high pressure point. He borderline solos ships full of them multiple times.

Obi is more than likely top 3 competent Jedi Masters, but we're shown that eventually there is an opening if he does all at the same time (Blocking, dodging and force-pushing), again, specially considering 3 fronts hunting for an opportunity

If you are more skilled than him, sometimes yeah, but generally? No numbers will beat him. Gotta think smarter not harder.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Speaking of which, why a training session instead of a match?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Speaking of which, why a training session instead of a match?

Because serious Percy would just 6-C Obi-Wan without anything he could really do about it.

Alternatively, he folds Percy like a omelet to stop himself from dying.

 

[Testarossa002]

You can just restrict Percy from using water powers
It's not as if he can't fight without it
Heck, most of his major fights happened without water (Kronos, Polybotes, Jason, Battle at Olympus, Hades)

 

[DaReaperMan]

You can just restrict Percy from using water powers
It's not as if he can't fight without it
Heck, most of his major fights happened without water (Kronos, Polybotes, Jason, Battle at Olympus, Hades)

Yeah but then Percy lacks his instant win option while Obi-Wan has two: Just gagglefucking Percy with the force. And using his lightsaber.

There's a method to my madness, and that method is me looking at it and saying "All right, besides Kronos, Obi-Wan is too much for any of the tier 7s to take under normal circumstances". The Force+Lightsaber is that strong, legitimately. Percy kind of relies on, you know, having a weapon. Or limbs. Pulling a no-hit run against the master of taking advantage of openings is legit not happening.