Patrick Bateman downgrade

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

I think he would fit best at “At least Above Average Human” unless he’s shown some weight training in the media. Also you’d need to prove he has better LS than the female Ghostfaces. Speaking of which, i should’ve included them in my revision for Scream’s LS since Amber and Nancy’s feats don’t even look like Athletic Human.

I am not even talking about Jill, whose only feat is overpowering weakend Sidney briefly.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

But I think Patrick's profile needs more edits, I will explain the downgrades and upscales one by one.
First he should get Breaking The Fourth Wall since he talks to audience and also Charisma for his Social Influencing, now I can start with downscales:
Speed(Travel): He is straight Athletic Human because his only feats are fitness and running the whole street in some minutes.
Durability: Straight Athletic Human, his only feats are yet again fitness and recieving a kick from an average woman to his face.
Upscales:
Attack Potency with weapons: If we consider all the murders are really happened (Even the director said at least some of the murders are real.) we must also calculate how much energy did Patrick create in the scene when he fought the cops that is he destroyed and exploded 2 police cars.
Speed(Attack or Combat) with weapons: Attacks people before they could react or dodge, killed janitor while revolving gate is turning. If we consider he attacks people they could react or dodge that means he attacks before eye could realize thus scales to Subsonic.
Striking Strength: Street Level; killed a dog in two stomps (Others were just to enjoy from it.), tore woman's breast by biting it, told he can break bones in one of his feats; higher with melee weapons. Higher than Gale Weathers, Sidney Prescott, Samantha Carpenter and Tara Carpenter who are also Street Level.
Stamina: Peak Human or At least Athletic Human, likely Peak Human; Patrick's 1000 crunches feat outscales straight Athletic Level. Here a site calculates a person's standards for crunches, keep in my mind while calculating it: Patrick is 190 IBS and is 27 years old. Also if you try to insert 1000 repetitions on calculator, it will not accept it.
What do you think?

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

But I think Patrick's profile needs more edits, I will explain the downgrades and upscales one by one.
First he should get Breaking The Fourth Wall since he talks to audience and also Charisma for his Social Influencing, now I can start with downscales:

That's just narration. That doesn't count as breaking the 4th wall. If Patrick turned to the audience & started speaking to them with his actual mouth, then that would be breaking the 4th wall. But no, it's just narration. And by that logic, any character that narrates their own story or tells it from a 1st person POV should have 4th wall breaking. Simply being the narrator of your movie doesn't give you 4th wall awareness

Speed(Travel): He is straight Athletic Human because his only feats are fitness and running the whole street in some minutes.

I don't think that's enough on its own to classify for Athletic Human. Running down a street isn't that hard. Unless he did it super fast or something, then I don't think he should have it

Durability: Straight Athletic Human, his only feats are yet again fitness and recieving a kick from an average woman to his face

Taking a kick from a regular person is only support for Human level. I agree with Athlete level because he's in very good shape, but just taking a kick from a normal untrained woman isn't enough to qualify for that

Attack Potency with weapons: If we consider all the murders are really happened (Even the director said at least some of the murders are real.) we must also calculate how much energy did Patrick create in the scene when he fought the cops that is he destroyed and exploded 2 police cars

1. We don't know if that scene is even real or not
2. He exploded it becaue he hit the gas tank of the car, not because his guns are that powerful. He can't just cassually throw out Small Building level explosions anytime he wants in a normal fight (also that has already been calculated, a cars gas tank exploding is Small Building level)

Speed(Attack or Combat) with weapons: Attacks people before they could react or dodge, killed janitor while revolving gate is turning. If we consider he attacks people they could react or dodge that means he attacks before eye could realize thus scales to Subsonic

No, that's not how it works at all. To classify for subsonic, you have to move litteraly as fast as a blur to the point where the human eye can't process it. Their eyes are processing his attacks just fine, they just aren't reacting to it fast enough. The human eye can process things shown in front of it for 13 ms, while it takes 200 ms for your average person to react. That's a 187 ms difference between being able to see something and being able to react to it.

Attacking people before they can react is something martial artists do all the time. People like Bruce Lee did it with other professional fighters constantly. This wouldn't qualify for anything above Athlete - Peak Human reaction & combat speeds.

This also isn't even accounting for the fact that litteraly every single person in those clips didn't know that they were about to be attacked. If you're off guard and don't know that the guy you're looking at is about to attack you (like litteraly every person in the clips you've shown) then your reaction time is going to be WAY slower, to the point where I think any normal person with Average Human reaction & combat speed could preform the same speed feats Patrick does

So no, this wouldn't be even close to Subsonic. I honestly don't think that this would classify for anything higher than Average Human reaction & combat speed

Striking Strength: Street Level; killed a dog in two stomps (Others were just to enjoy from it.), tore woman's breast by biting it, told he can break bones in one of his feats; higher with melee weapons. Higher than Gale Weathers, Sidney Prescott, Samantha Carpenter and Tara Carpenter who are also Street Level.

Absolutely not

Firstly, the dog thing. That was a small dog, it wouldn't take too much effort to kill it. If it was a big dog like a German Shephard or a Husky or something, then I could see some justification for that. But that dog was a very small dog not even fighting back. I've talked before in previous threads how even larger dogs just barely qualify for Human level & can be killed by most regular humans. I can link some of my previous sources I've used in past threads if you want

For the biting through flesh, normal people can do worse. A single google search shows that biting through flesh enough for it to profusely bleed is very common for humans. I've worked in hospitals before, and I've seen human bites. You'd be amazed at what a determined human can do with their bites to another human. This isn't too impressive

The bone breaking feat would be 9-C, if it ever happened in the movie. It might've & I might just be forgetting it, but from what I remember, Patrick never breaks anyones bones in the movie. I think that's just a book feat that needs to be removed since composite characters aren't allowed. If it did actually happen in the movie, then yes, he'd be Street level for bone breaking

As for the scaling to Scream characters, stop it. They're different verses. And you have no proof that he's stronger than them. You have to actually give proof that Patrick is stronger than characters like Sidney Prescott. You can't just say "well he's obviously stronger than them so he should scale to them" They're from different verses with different feats and power levels. There is litteraly no proof that Patrick is stronger than them other than your opinion. If we're playing that game, then I actually think Patrick Bateman should be 10-B because I personally think that Arthur Fleck is stronger than him, it's obvious, and Arthur Fleck is 10-A, so thus Patrick should be 10-B. So boom, 10-B Patrick Bateman (although Arthur Fleck unironically deserves Street level but that's a whole different conversation for a whole different CRT)

Stamina: Peak Human or At least Athletic Human, likely Peak Human; Patrick's 1000 crunches feat outscales straight Athletic Level. Here a site calculates a person's standards for crunches, keep in my mind while calculating it: Patrick is 190 IBS and is 27 years old. Also if you try to insert 1000 repetitions on calculator, it will not accept it

I don't know what this site is on, it's really easy to do 100 crunches. I've done 500 before and I'm sure as hell not elite or "Peak Human" in stamina. I think most people that work out at least semi-regularly can slam at least 200 (though who knows I might just be overestimating your average gym-goer)

The world record is 20,000 crunches in 5 hours, so I'd say you'd have to get at least somewhere around that in order to qualify for Peak Human stamina. In the meantime though, I think "Athletic Human" stamina should be fine as again, Patrick is in good shape and didn't seem very fatigued after killing people, which takes a lot of energy... I think. Idk I've never killed someone. But I have done plenty of crunches before and it's not that hard.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

That's just narration. That doesn't count as breaking the 4th wall. If Patrick turned to the audience & started speaking to them with his actual mouth, then that would be breaking the 4th wall. But no, it's just narration. And by that logic, any character that narrates their own story or tells it from a 1st person POV should have 4th wall breaking. Simply being the narrator of your movie doesn't give you 4th wall awareness

I don't think that's enough on its own to classify for Athletic Human. Running down a street isn't that hard. Unless he did it super fast or something, then I don't think he should have it

Taking a kick from a regular person is only support for Human level. I agree with Athlete level because he's in very good shape, but just taking a kick from a normal untrained woman isn't enough to qualify for that

1. We don't know if that scene is even real or not
2. He exploded it becaue he hit the gas tank of the car, not because his guns are that powerful. He can't just cassually throw out Small Building level explosions anytime he wants in a normal fight (also that has already been calculated, a cars gas tank exploding is Small Building level)

No, that's not how it works at all. To classify for subsonic, you have to move litteraly as fast as a blur to the point where the human eye can't process it. Their eyes are processing his attacks just fine, they just aren't reacting to it fast enough. The human eye can process things shown in front of it for 13 ms, while it takes 200 ms for your average person to react. That's a 187 ms difference between being able to see something and being able to react to it.

Attacking people before they can react is something martial artists do all the time. People like Bruce Lee did it with other professional fighters constantly. This wouldn't qualify for anything above Athlete - Peak Human reaction & combat speeds.

This also isn't even accounting for the fact that litteraly every single person in those clips didn't know that they were about to be attacked. If you're off guard and don't know that the guy you're looking at is about to attack you (like litteraly every person in the clips you've shown) then your reaction time is going to be WAY slower, to the point where I think any normal person with Average Human reaction & combat speed could preform the same speed feats Patrick does

So no, this wouldn't be even close to Subsonic. I honestly don't think that this would classify for anything higher than Average Human reaction & combat speed

Absolutely not

Firstly, the dog thing. That was a small dog, it wouldn't take too much effort to kill it. If it was a big dog like a German Shephard or a Husky or something, then I could see some justification for that. But that dog was a very small dog not even fighting back. I've talked before in previous threads how even larger dogs just barely qualify for Human level & can be killed by most regular humans. I can link some of my previous sources I've used in past threads if you want

For the biting through flesh, normal people can do worse. A single google search shows that biting through flesh enough for it to profusely bleed is very common for humans. I've worked in hospitals before, and I've seen human bites. You'd be amazed at what a determined human can do with their bites to another human. This isn't too impressive

The bone breaking feat would be 9-C, if it ever happened in the movie. It might've & I might just be forgetting it, but from what I remember, Patrick never breaks anyones bones in the movie. I think that's just a book feat that needs to be removed since composite characters aren't allowed. If it did actually happen in the movie, then yes, he'd be Street level for bone breaking

As for the scaling to Scream characters, stop it. They're different verses. And you have no proof that he's stronger than them. You have to actually give proof that Patrick is stronger than characters like Sidney Prescott. You can't just say "well he's obviously stronger than them so he should scale to them" They're from different verses with different feats and power levels. There is litteraly no proof that Patrick is stronger than them other than your opinion. If we're playing that game, then I actually think Patrick Bateman should be 10-B because I personally think that Arthur Fleck is stronger than him, it's obvious, and Arthur Fleck is 10-A, so thus Patrick should be 10-B. So boom, 10-B Patrick Bateman (although Arthur Fleck unironically deserves Street level but that's a whole different conversation for a whole different CRT)

I don't know what this site is on, it's really easy to do 100 crunches. I've done 500 before and I'm sure as hell not elite or "Peak Human" in stamina. I think most people that work out at least semi-regularly can slam at least 200 (though who knows I might just be overestimating your average gym-goer)

The world record is 20,000 crunches in 5 hours, so I'd say you'd have to get at least somewhere around that in order to qualify for Peak Human stamina. In the meantime though, I think "Athletic Human" stamina should be fine as again, Patrick is in good shape and didn't seem very fatigued after killing people, which takes a lot of energy... I think. Idk I've never killed someone. But I have done plenty of crunches before and it's not that hard.

Arthur Fleck>Patrick Bateman? Yeah, okay I will stop this or else I will lose my mind and won't sleep well. I mean a skinny, mentally loner man vs buffed serial killer.
Also do you really think stomping with heels to Roman's foot>stomping dog's skull, if so this thing is going even absurd place.

 

[Employe]

Arthur Fleck>Patrick Bateman? Yeah, okay I will stop this or else I will lose my mind and won't sleep well. I mean a skinny, mentally loner man vs buffed serial killer.
Also do you really think stomping with heels to Roman's foot>stomping dog's skull, if so this thing is going even absurd place.

Buffs does not necessarily proves anything, feats does, especially in the satirical fiction with a clearly exaggerated setting (Which is what American Psycho)

I can agree with Peak Stamina argument, but everything else were appropriately refuted

And stop acting hysterical like these rankings determinates your life and targeting completely foreign characters as means to uphold your position. This is just obnoxious, and you only embarass youself with such bursts in my and everone else's eyes

 

[HorrorHistory]

Only thing I’m getting from this thread that seems changeable is his LS at At least Above Average Human and his stamina at somewhat around Peak Human from what I see.

 

[Employe]

Only thing I’m getting from this thread that seems changeable is his LS at At least Above Average Human and his stamina at somewhat around Peak Human from what I see.

And that profile should be completely revised and preferably split into 3 different ones

And remove wrong information from IQ section

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

And that profile should be completely revised and preferably split into 3 different ones

And remove wrong information from IQ section

Yeah, also if he didn't break any bones in movie that should be removed too. I said it because I also claimed he's street level due to breaking bones feat.

 

[Employe]

Yeah, also if he didn't break any bones in movie that should be removed too. I said it because I also claimed he's street level due to breaking bones feat.

Need to replace Law School with Business School

Also, by the way, is there any thoughtful reason to provide him rating of "10-A, likely higher" and not just bare "10-A", taking into accounting lack of feats?

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that he scales at Tier 9 and deserves such evaluation

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Need to replace Law School with Business School

Also, by the way, is there any thoughtful reason to provide him rating of "10-A, likely higher" and not just bare "10-A", taking into accounting lack of feats?

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that he scales at Tier 9 and deserves such evaluation

No, he is nice as higher Athlete level. Durability and Speed also mentioned as ''At least and likely higher'' and don't forget he will have Peak Human Stamina with PHPC after upload that's enough for him if he won't get Street Level.

 

[Employe]

No, he is nice as higher Athlete level. Durability and Speed also mentioned as ''At least and likely higher'' and don't forget he will have Peak Human Stamina with PHPC after upload that's enough for him if he won't get Street Level.

He has 9-C stamina but that's about it

Being "Higher into Athlete level" is still gets marked as plain 10-A

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Arthur Fleck>Patrick Bateman? Yeah, okay I will stop this or else I will lose my mind and won't sleep well. I mean a skinny, mentally loner man vs buffed serial killer.
Also do you really think stomping with heels to Roman's foot>stomping dog's skull, if so this thing is going even absurd place.

1. That's not the point here, I'm just showing you that your logic is flawed

2. This isn't real life. This is fiction. And in fiction, you can make your characters as strong/weak as you want and give them any physique you want because it's made up. They could make Arthur Fleck a twig but as strong as the damn Hulk if they wanted. Arthur has numerous feats that are far above what a normal person can do and in the movie he overpowers and restraigns Alfred, who's pretty stocky in this universe, as well as wrestles with police officers & overpowers them and overpowers and kills a very large man, bashing his head against a wall hard enough to kill him. I'm not going to go too in-depth on this since this isn't what the thread is about, but this video explains why Arthur curbstomps Patrick pretty well

3. The Scream verse has feats that are Street level+. Any ghostface or scream protagonist one-shots Patrick Bateman dozens of times over

I can agree with Peak Stamina argument, but everything else were appropriately refuted

1,000 crunches isn't peak human stamina at all. You do know how easy a crunch is right? It's this. It's like the easiest workout on the planet. The world record is 20,000. Patrick isn't even 1/20th of a peak human in stamina. I have no idea what drugs that one website was on. Unless you have a f*cking health defect or something any normal person who has never seen a gym in their life can easily do bare minimum like 10 - 20

 

[Qawsedf234]

Intelligence: Above Average (Is a quite intelligent person, despite his insanity, and bears knack of creativity at murders and tortures. Able to manipulate own peers and get away from commited crimes, though he primary does it through nepotism and own status, as well as due to general apathy and ignorance of people around)

Well we can just look at the page for this

Above Average: Characters that show greater cognitive ability than the norm, but do not particularly stand out in any intellectual or academic fields.

Gifted: Characters who demonstrate high reasoning ability, can master difficult concepts with few repetitions, and display high performance capability or notable mastery in intellectual or specific academic fields, which makes them equivalent to real-world experts in these areas.

Bateman doesn't show himself to have any of the qualifications for Gifted afaik other than power scaling him (for some reason) to other Havard graduates.

Above Average however, would be supported by the Harvard thing and his general ability to manipulate others/creativity.

So personally I think the downgrade is warranted, but imo the Harvard thing should still be included.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

No, he is nice as higher Athlete level. Durability and Speed also mentioned as ''At least and likely higher'' and don't forget he will have Peak Human Stamina with PHPC after upload that's enough for him if he won't get Street Level.

You need to be street level to have Peak Human Physical Characteristics. That's like, the whole point of Street level. If you aren't Street level, you don't get peak human physical characteristics. Those 2 are pretty much the same thing. 2 peas in the same pod. You can't have one but not the other (unless you're really high Street level in which case you got Superhuman Physical Characteristics). So that would need to be removed too

 

[Employe]

1. That's not the point here, I'm just showing you that your logic is flawed

2. This isn't real life. This is fiction. And in fiction, you can make your characters as strong/weak as you want and give them any physique you want because it's made up. They could make Arthur Fleck a twig but as strong as the damn Hulk if they wanted. Arthur has numerous feats that are far above what a normal person can do and in the movie he overpowers and restraigns Alfred, who's pretty stocky in this universe, as well as wrestles with police officers & overpowers them and overpowers and kills a very large man, bashing his head against a wall hard enough to kill him. I'm not going to go too in-depth on this since this isn't what the thread is about, but this video explains why Arthur curbstomps Patrick pretty well

3. The Scream verse has feats that are Street level+. Any ghostface or scream protagonist one-shots Patrick Bateman dozens of times over

1,000 crunches isn't peak human stamina at all. You do know how easy a crunch is right? It's this. It's like the easiest workout on the planet. The world record is 20,000. Patrick isn't even 1/20th of a peak human in stamina. I have no idea what drugs that one website was on. Unless you have a f*cking health defect or something any normal person who has never seen a gym in their life can easily do bare minimum like 10 - 20

Your notion is fair, but I now wish to focus attention on his overall rating

Repeating my question: Here any substantial reasoning to give Bateman "10-A, likely Higher" instead of just "10-A"?

 

[Employe]

Well we can just look at the page for this

Bateman doesn't show himself to have any of the qualifications for Gifted afaik other than power scaling him (for some reason) to other Havard graduates.

Above Average however, would be supported by the Harvard thing and his general ability to manipulate others/creativity.

So personally I think the downgrade is warranted, but imo the Harvard thing should still be included.

I think you can say "Gifted in terms of academics, Above Average in common sense/problem-solving skills". Dude prior me literally said that it can be argued as such

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

I think you can say "Gifted in terms of academics, Above Average in common sense/problem-solving skills". Dude prior me literally said that it can be argued as such

Academical skills linked to problem solving skills.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think you can say "Gifted in terms of academics, Above Average in common sense/problem-solving skills". Dude prior me literally said that it can be argued as such

I don't see Gifted without actually showings or statements.

 

[Employe]

I don't see Gifted without actually showings or statements.

Him being graduated from Harvard suits such rating

But again, concept of intelligence assembled out of diverse of fields, and I personally don't see trouble in him being Gifted in terms of Academic knowldedge due to being Graduated from very influential and rich place

We can opt to separate his Academic intelligence and Common sense (Which is what some of profiles therein does)

 

[Qawsedf234]

Him being graduated from Harvard suits such rating

It doesn't. That's at best an Above Average rating unless you can prove he graduated near the top or is an expert in his field. Just coming from a prestigious school isn't enough.

can opt to separate his Academic intelligence and Common sense (Which is what some of profiles therein does)

I don't see the need for a split. It should just be Above Average.

 

[Employe]

It doesn't. That's at best an Above Average rating unless you can prove he graduated near the top or is an expert in his field. Just coming from a prestigious school isn't enough.


I don't see the need for a split. It should just be Above Average.

Honestly? Sounds convincing enough, I can't recall precisive sort of graduation that he supposedly acquired

 

[Employe]

It doesn't. That's at best an Above Average rating unless you can prove he graduated near the top or is an expert in his field. Just coming from a prestigious school isn't enough.


I don't see the need for a split. It should just be Above Average.

Also, since you are a modder, can you procure to us your vote?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Also, since you are a modder, can you procure to us your vote?

I thunk it should just be Above Average

 

[Employe]

I thunk it should just be Above Average

Thanks. I will count

And I guess at this point this thread can renamed into "Patrick Bateman complete downgrade"

 

[HorrorHistory]

Maybe “At least Above Average”?

 

[Employe]

Maybe “At least Above Average”?

I think maybe something like:

Above Average (Insert here paragraphs that I wrote above), possibly higher (It has been stated that he graduated from Harvard Business School. However, the exact degree of his graduation from this school is unclear)

 

[HorrorHistory]

I think maybe something like:

Above Average (Insert here are paragraphs that I wrote above), possibly higher (It has been stated that he graduated from Harvard Business School. However, the exact degree of his graduation from this school is unclear)

That sounds good

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

He must be Gifted, we can't prove he was elected to Harvard and Bussines School because of corruption. In fact the scene when Detective interviewing Patrick and he said he was graduated from the Harvard with a great expression, and if we consider Patrick is a Narssistic guy who loves to show off so he must be really good student to do that, like that 1.000 crunches and exercises he has obsession to be perfect which helps him to to these exercises I think this also helps him in academics.
So it's a higher odd he was selected for himself more than he selected because of corruption.

 

[Employe]

He must be Gifted, we can't prove he was elected to Harvard and Bussines School because of corruption. In fact the scene when Detective interviewing Patrick and he said he was graduated from the Harvard with a great expression, and if we consider Patrick is a Narssistic guy who loves to show off so he must be really good student to do that, like that 1.000 crunches and exercises he has obsession to be perfect which helps him to to these exercises I think this also helps him in academics.
So it's a higher odd he was selected for himself more than he selected because of corruption.

Nobody even told about corruption, though. We talking about level of education that he achieved

And considering nothing hints that he received highest form of graduation from school, we have no actual basis to grant him Gifted rating going by this site's standarts

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Nobody even told about corruption, though. We talking about level of education that he achieved

And considering nothing hints that he received highest form of graduation from school, we have no actual basis to grant him Gifted rating going by this site's standarts

We also have no evidence he was a bad or an average student also again do I have to explain how can a person study in Harvard? And I don't know why but there is a chainsaw drop feat that no one cares about, calculating the angle and time to drop chainsaw in 15-16 seconds is linked to mathematical skills which even could give hint to think he was a good student in Harvard.
Also that obssesions and Narcissism motivate people to race with other people, with this feelings Patrick might get better notes compared to other students.
Furthermore I watched a video some psychiatrists reacting psychopath scenes including American Psycho and one of them claimed he is highly intelligent but here is the problem: Video is Turkish. Shall I send it?

 

[Employe]

We also have no evidence he was a bad or an average student also again do I have to explain how can a person study in Harvard? And I don't know why but there is a chainsaw drop feat that no one cares about, calculating the angle and time to drop chainsaw in 15-16 seconds is linked to mathematical skills which even could give hint to think he was a good student in Harvard.
Also that obssesions and Narcissism motivate people to race with other people, with this feelings Patrick might get better notes compared to other students.
Furthermore I watched a video some psychiatrists reacting psychopath scenes including American Psycho and one of them claimed he is highly intelligent but here is the problem: Video is Turkish. Shall I send it?

Oh buddy, it is so wrong on so many levels

1) Your first and second points relies on bold assumptions and speculations without real validations for them.

2) It wasn't some complex calculation, he literally just aimed... and threw it? Quite not enough for Gifted intelligence and suits Above Average more. A lot of people can pull off such trivial things

3) There is a big difference between being scrupulous in your materialistic mundanity (I.e sustaining own physical fit, listening new music and etc.) and putting effort into intricate and sophisticated areas that actually requires from you high cognitive capabilities and patience (Like obtention of Harvard's master degree).

4) I mean, you can, but in my opinion, who in the hell gonna to listen someone whose language they can't even apprehend, especially on comparatively simple topic like our, where everything is already frank at this point

Does not helps fact that "Above Average" can be characterized as "High Intelligence" as well, this is pretty stretchy term

The fact that this psycholog, as per to your words, failed to properly establish Bateman's disorder also tells something to us

 

[HorrorHistory]

Yeah that chainsaw feat just seems like marksmanship instead of him “calculating the drop”.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

1) Your first and second points relies on bold assumptions and speculations without real validations for them.

3) There is a big difference between being scrupulous in your materialistic mundanity (I.e sustaining own physical fit, listening new music and etc.) and putting effort into intricate and sophisticated areas that actually requires from you high cognitive capabilities and patience (Like obtention of Harvard's master degree).

Okay so yeah, I have to write what I write because I accidently sent post Turkish:
1- As if yours aren't.
2- I have never claimed he has master degree but qualifying to Harvard then qualifying to Harvard Bussines School and studying after graduating from it really requires some serious cognitive and learning abilities.
3- I found a reddit message that claims all the events we see are happened including cops scene and you should read the message at the top which also brings explaination to your questions about which events are real or not. I got to say I found it relatable due to plot of the movie.
4- Last thing, and that is not about power-scaling we should change the image of profile because it's not from the movie.

 

[Employe]

Okay so yeah, I have to write what I write because I accidently sent post Turkish:
1- As if yours aren't.
2- I have never claimed he has master degree but qualifying to Harvard then qualifying to Harvard Bussines School and studying after graduating from it really requires some serious cognitive and learning abilities.
3- I found a reddit message that claims all the events we see are happened including cops scene and you should read the message at the top which also brings explaination to your questions about which events are real or not. I got to say I found it relatable due to plot of the movie.
4- Last thing, and that is not about power-scaling we should change the image of profile because it's not from the movie.

1. Wdym? I just claimed that we have no reason to suggest him being straighforward "Gifted". At best "Possible" rating

2. Which is not sufficient for Gifted. He should be expert in this field

3 and 4. Okay? Have to do very little with this conversation

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Soo, Harvard and Harvard Business School don't give further than possibly higher not even likely gifted. Okay, I still have a site that claims he has 125 IQ and here is the IQ scales of the most popular IQ tests which are scaling 125 IQ as Superior(Gifted).

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Soo, Harvard and Harvard Business School don't give further than possibly higher not even likely gifted. Okay, I still have a site that claims he has 125 IQ and here is the IQ scales of the most popular IQ tests which are scaling 125 IQ as Superior(Gifted).

Firstly, that site doesn't mean anything. It gives almost no justification for why his IQ would be 125. Any website can throw out any random number for a characters IQ. Unless the IQ was gotten by someone who specializes in analysing peoples intelligence (which doesn't seem to be the case) or the number was given be some official source (like the scriptwriters of the movie or something) than what that website says means nothing

Plus that website is wrong on a lot of stuff. Jigsaw is a debatable Extraordinary Genius, I doubt that he has a lower IQ than Steven Hawking, and a lot of the Ghostfaces have various feats that put them above an average IQ. Hell, Roman Bridger classifies for Genius IQ, he's definetly above 102

Also to be classified as actually gifted you need an IQ above 130. A 125 would only be "Mildly Gifted", which is just a fancy way of saying "Above Average"

In addition to all of this, many professionals don't even think that IQ scores are even that accurate at capturing intelligence, as simple things like your culture & how you grew up can impact your IQ score. If you call dinner "supper" like I did growing up, you'll get a lower score since many of the questions on there rely on you calling certian things certian words. This article talks a bit more about that. But tl;dr, simply having a good IQ doesn't instantly put you in higher categories since there's a lot of contention on how accurate they really are

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Meh, okay then if Harvard feats don't grant him Gifted then nothing can, but I want to ask something about your IQ scaling:
Let's say a person studied in a random university but received a master degree and another person who studied in Harvard then went to the one of the most selective schools of the Harvard but hasn't received any of the master degrees. Is that means 1st person smarter than the other?
Also all of his feats in the movie should be counted if you don't have any materials to debunk this:

3- I found a reddit message that claims all the events we see are happened including cops scene and you should read the message at the top which also brings explaination to your questions about which events are real or not. I got to say I found it relatable due to plot of the movie.

 

[Employe]

So after going through whole thread I can infer that:

1. Bateman being asserted as "Gifted" is at maximum very ambiguous, giving that nothing says that he was brilliant student but neither something says that he wasn't

2. Nobody provided any sensible arguments while Pats can be evaluated as "10-A, likely higher" rather than just "10-A"

3. His page is abound of false information, feats from other irrelevant media and incorrect scaling

4. The widely established points on this site for some reason contains wrong information

My conclusion? He, in my opinion, should receive total donwgrade in almost every single facet within his disposal

Absolutely none in this load of messages showed me any substantial evidence to support their defending stances regarding Bateman, and everything in his favor either were carried by plainly fabricated and unreliable stuff which omitted crucial contex for their positions, and subsequently were relatively easily refuted, regardless whether it being purged by me or other well-versed users

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

4. The widely established points on this site for some reason contains wrong information

Including breaking bones feat but he hasn't shown any and that would scale him to 9-C.

 

[Employe]

Meh, okay then if Harvard feats don't grant him Gifted then nothing can, but I want to ask something about your IQ scaling:
Let's say a person studied in a random university but received a master degree and another person who studied in Harvard then went to the one of the most selective schools of the Harvard. Is that means 1st person smarter than the other?
Also all of his feats in the movie should be counted if you don't have any materials to debunk this:

1. Yes? What is your logic here. Gifted on this site specifically gets granted to experts of academic fields (Among many others). Can you show anything which indicated that Bateman has it? Even modder on this thread told to us that simply being from prestigious school is not enough for Gifted, he should possess one of highest degrees here

2. Again, what this is means here? How it holds weight for topic?

You just strawmaning at this point