Paraconsistent Physiology Checklist

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Um, I was thinking about this pp 2, even though it's a negation, can it be reviewed?

Sakamaki Izayoi​

Paraconsistent Physiology Negation (Type 2; Another Cosmologies that opposed the order established by Heaven and Earth, countless entities scattered and fell, including all elements of duality within the world from Creation (Alpha) to Destruction (Omega), Heaven and Earth, Day and Night, Good and Evil, Prosperity and Decline. These were filtered within a crucible and gave rise to the first disaster. At a time when the true form of the world remained indistinguishable, before Heaven and Earth were separated, before Yin and Yang were born and Good and Evil were defined, these dualities spilled and fell into the world as the smallest units, forming the foundations of the Oldest Cosmologies.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sakamaki_Izayoi#cite_note-48"><span>[</span>48<span>]</span></a>)

I had seen it a long time ago, thinking about a battle against Rimuru.

 

[Udlmaster]

Needless to say WoD would still possess Type 3,

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 3; The Weaver is beyond the Synthesis, the interconnected nature of Reality, that all forms of interdependence and division, existence and nonexistence. Is vastly beyond the Tapestry and its infinite higher levels of meaning. Unfathomably above Ravnos vampires who can see and act beyond the illusion that is the Law of Noncontradiction. Exists beyond the Tellurian and is therefore outside of arbitrary divisions of Self and Other, Natural and Supernatural, profane and divine.)

For Spirits even, we're directly told that Plurality and Duality are Spirits that reside in the Umbra and one guy taking a heroic amount of LSD debated the idea (spirit) of duality on the side of Plurality.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Is one staff member enough to set up a power as complicated as this?
Because I asked two different staff members about a specific verse and received different answers.

 

[Apotheosis69]

This is absolutely a "controversial" ability as it is one of the Most OP abilities in the site. Assuming it does give Immunities.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

There are probably more characters since all comes to transcending Eternity or In Betweener but i am lwk lazy to post them all

Looks good, and the In-Betweener scan would count as proven Immunity.

Um, I was thinking about this pp 2, even though it's a negation, can it be reviewed?

Sakamaki Izayoi​

Why negation?

Needless to say WoD would still possess Type 3,

For Spirits even, we're directly told that Plurality and Duality are Spirits that reside in the Umbra and one guy taking a heroic amount of LSD debated the idea (spirit) of duality on the side of Plurality.

Would expect nothing less.

Any proven immunity from it?

 

[Apotheosis69]

I feel like the Amount of Logical States/Truth Values should be stated. Like 3 Logical States, 5 Logical States, Infinite Logical States or even All Possible Logical States... Cause well, ya know... Not all are equal, especially for Type 3

 

[Udlmaster]

Would expect nothing less.

Any proven immunity from it?

It's hard to say outright, since the whole point is that anything that can commune with Spirits must be able to interact with them and get into or bring things from the Umbra.

But, I am almost sure there's some examples of Spirits being untouchable to normal beings unless they specifically manifest a physical body.

I can probably find it easy enough.

I feel like the Amount of Logical States/Truth Values should be stated. Like 3 Logical States, 5 Logical States, Infinite Logical States or even All Possible Logical States... Cause well, ya know... Not all are equal, especially for Type 3

I could see it being useful to a degree, but it would probably be written down that having more logic states doesn't necessarily imply superiority.

We'd need to define which logic states are being indicated.

For example you could have a logic system of:

• True
• False
• Neither

Or

• True
• False
• Both
• Indeterminate

The latter one isn't necessarily "superior" to the former as the former could be in no state that the latter can "match", as it can't be "neither"

 

[Apotheosis69]

WoD Definitely has some statements about proven immunity. We just gotta find the book for it

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Well let me know when you finjd it, and I'll change the listing.

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

[Reincarnation] has nested duality within it.


[Balance] also explains that the duality it contains the duality of "is" and "is not" and even the paradox of no and yes existing at the same time.

Now, for the existing PP on the profile itself:

These should qualify, since the in-verse dualities ultimately demonstrate a difference through "is and is not" or "being and nothingness".

 

[Apotheosis69]

But also, now that Paraconsistency is completely exclusive to Logicality and its Negation. Does that not resolve the problem on if it can provide immunities. Since it governs everything and its dichotomy?

We'd need to define which logic states are being indicated.

For example you could have a logic system of:

• True
• False
• Neither

Or

• True
• False
• Both
• Indeterminate

The latter one isn't necessarily "superior" to the former as the former could be in no state that the latter can "match", as it can't be "neither"

Damn, never thought of that tbh. I mean, yeah it can be a Case-by-Case, but I feel like it can simplify things to an extent as it can establish which verse/character would Far more likely be more encompassing on the Logical Order System than the other.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

But also, now that Paraconsistency is completely exclusive to Logicality and its Negation. Does that not resolve the problem on if it can provide immunities. Since it governs everything and its dichotomy?

What do you mean? \

 

[Robo432343]

I think you can remove the proven immunities thing from the op because its not a requirement to get the ability and you can clearly see that a lot of these verses aren't going to have immunity showings

Warhammer PP2/PP3 should be re-evaluated i think

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 3; The Ghostwind/Aethyric Void transcends all concepts, being a place where concepts from higher dimensions boil down into a universal abstract)

Aeathyr still being called nonduality type 2

Can anyone ping @DaReaperMan?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I think you can remove the proven immunities thing from the op because its not a requirement to get the ability and you can clearly see that a lot of these verses aren't going to have immunity showings

I would say it's an important thing to note. Just like most forms of Acausality Type 4 is just fluff these days, and doesn't provide resistance outside of what's shown. For most characters, PP is just for a show unless it has feats.

Warhammer PP2/PP3 should be re-evaluated i think

@DaReaperMan

You interested?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I would say it's an important thing to note. Just like most forms of Acausality Type 4 is just fluff these days, and doesn't provide resistance outside of what's shown. For most characters, PP is just for a show unless it has feats.

@DaReaperMan

You interested?

I wasn't the one who put in on the profile in the first place. You should be talking to @Blackcurrant91, who I will also notify on Discord.

 

[Robo432343]

I would say it's an important thing to note. Just like most forms of Acausality Type 4 is just fluff these days, and doesn't provide resistance outside of what's shown. For most characters, PP is just for a show unless it has feats.

I see that Kamen Rider Zio's justification talks about immunity stuff but its outdated

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2; He contains every aspects of reality within: Good and Evil, Light and Dark, Inside and Outside, etc. and rules over them, which makes him immune to their affects

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, seems you are dealing with me.

What about this scan doesn't mean Paraconsistent Physiology requirements? As for Aethyr Manip, there's a few things outdated on the page, including Low 1-A Warp no longer being a thing since it was accepted by Ultima to be Baseline 1-A and then three layers from there.

 

[Re5yh]

This is PP from DC/Vertigo Lucifer's profile and it's rated type 1 for him existing in the Void

• Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1; Michael describes Yahweh's "plan" as containing life and death, a duality while The void outside of creation is described as being outside of this "plan"and Lucifer specifically also being shown to escape his function in said plan)

But if you check the Void profile, it is already rated Type 2 which it also exists beyond the Presence's plan

• Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2; Transcends the duality that is contained with the Presence's plan; as well as transcending all levels of Creation alongside Yahweh's light and Lucifer's darkness)

I think Type 2 is not sutable

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Well, seems you are dealing with me.

What about this scan doesn't mean Paraconsistent Physiology requirements? As for Aethyr Manip, there's a few things outdated on the page, including Low 1-A Warp no longer being a thing since it was accepted by Ultima to be Baseline 1-A and then three layers from there.

Wouldn't this qualify?

'Aethyr is a state of metaphyics that encompasses and contains all possibilities'

 

[Apotheosis69]

What do you mean?

It stems from that CRT changing "Nonduality" to where, it no Longer Automatically give Immunity to all haxes that it Governs. BUT, that was then "Nonduality" was about dualities depicted in common fiction and even Real Life religion and philosophy, Yin and Yang, Light and Dark, etc. Not dualitities of Logic, where it IS that hax and its negation/nonexistent version of it. So that being is beyond those two and its effects.

Also, am I dumb but I genuinely don't get how Marvel's In-Betweener has Proven Immunities with its Paraconsistency.

But if this Immunity/Resistance fiasco is gonna stay. I feel like there should be a Title of "Significant/Insignificant" for haxes who don't have it Automatically. To have consistency as a prefix/title for both haxes and Tiering (of higher dimensions).

Example:
Acausality (Type 4, Significant; Is where the character does have Resistance to Time Manipulation/Fate Manipulation and Causality.
Acausality (Type 4, Insignificant;... The character doesn't. Cause it isn't established in that verse.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I see that Kamen Rider Zio's justification talks about immunity stuff but its outdated

I wouldn't say ruling/governing over dualities grants PP. Plus, the immunity stuff seems to come from some sort of Attack Reflection.

What about this scan doesn't mean Paraconsistent Physiology requirements? As for Aethyr Manip, there's a few things outdated on the page, including Low 1-A Warp no longer being a thing since it was accepted by Ultima to be Baseline 1-A and then three layers from there.

These two statements together are fine, for Type 2.

Are there any statements of immunity from this?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

I wouldn't say ruling/governing over dualities grants PP. Plus, the immunity stuff seems to come from some sort of Attack Reflection.



These two statements together are fine, for Type 2.

Are there any statements of immunity from this?

Well they're made out of Aethyr so its not so much that they're immune to it as they're formed out of it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I wouldn't say ruling/governing over dualities grants PP. Plus, the immunity stuff seems to come from some sort of Attack Reflection.



These two statements together are fine, for Type 2.

Are there any statements of immunity from this?

There's random things like things regarding the Warp need to be addressed in "Absolute Actions", which is why the verse retained any form of Acausality 5.

"Veslyin the Anchorite said that time has no meaning in the Sea of Souls. The warp can give glimpses of the past, the future and the present because within it they are all one. According to him when dealing with its denizens trying to attribute events to a timeframe in terms of past, present or future, is pointless – they must be addressed in terms of absolute actions." - Path of the Dark Eldar

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I think Type 2 is not sutable

Lucifer's is fine, but I can't even check the second one; the link doesn't work.

It stems from that CRT changing "Nonduality" to where, it no Longer Automatically give Immunity to all haxes that it Governs. BUT, that was then "Nonduality" was about dualities depicted in common fiction and even Real Life religion and philosophy, Yin and Yang, Light and Dark, etc. Not dualitities of Logic, where it IS that hax and its negation/nonexistent version of it. So that being is beyond those two and its effects.

It's still on the page; I don't know if it was forgotten to be removed or purposely added.

As the way things with Paraconsistent Physiology interact is dictated by their own logic, none of these effects is set in stone, though. As a result, a fiction needs to explain how the interactions function for us to assume a particular outcome.

Also, am I dumb but I genuinely don't get how Marvel's In-Betweener has Proven Immunities with its Paraconsistency.

He states he cannot be affected by them because of his nature.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Well they're made out of Aethyr so its not so much that they're immune to it as they're formed out of it.

I meant, are there any scans of their interactions with these concepts? Showing some form of immunity to their effects because of their nature?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I meant, are there any scans of their interactions with these concepts? Showing some form of immunity to their effects because of their nature?

Give me a bit, in Daemonslayer a Bloodthirster no-sells a hit because it's done with a non-magical(AKA, isn't using Aethyr to interact) weapon

 

[DaReaperMan]

I meant, are there any scans of their interactions with these concepts? Showing some form of immunity to their effects because of their nature?

Daemonslayer, Chapter 19

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Daemonslayer, Chapter 19

I don't know 40k, so mb what are rune weapons?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't know 40k, so mb what are rune weapons?

This is from Warhammer Fantasy, but basically Magical Weapons for Dwarfs.

Dwarfs can generally not use magic, so instead they use what's known as runes to quite literally hammer the winds of magic into shape with enchanted tools that started from giant space frogs and eventually turned into runes getting passed down and whatnot. In the case of, say, Gotrek, his Axe of Grimnir is a rune weapon as much as it is a magical weapon. Same concept though, it's hitting the Daemon with essence on it's own level.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Dwarfs can generally not use magic, so instead they use what's known as runes to quite literally hammer the winds of magic into shape with enchanted tools that started from giant space frogs and eventually turned into runes getting passed down and whatnot. In the case of, say, Gotrek, his Axe of Grimnir is a rune weapon as much as it is a magical weapon. Same concept though, it's hitting the Daemon with essence on it's own level.

Is this a sort of Avatar thing? Like Daemons, when outside the Warp, can be killed, but inside the Warp can only be affected with the same stuff that makes them up?

 

[Robo432343]

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 3 - The Outer Gods are the same type of existences as the Constellations. Without their physical manifestations, Outer Gods are beings born from Chaos and rooted in the Outer Universe which is a Void, the sheer lack of existence, Chaos being "something" that exists outside the order of the World, a disorder which inherently lacks qualities and differentiations including nonexistence and existence, laws, logic, Life and Death, fate, plot, fundamental information that are erased from within it and causality. The qualities and distinctions that are part of the Order of the World pair completely with their opposites to form Dualities such as Good and Evil, Yin and Yang, Nonexistence and Existence, Life and Death, Reality and Fiction etc. and some are encompassed by "Walls" which are fragments of Final Wall. Ultimately chaos cannot be recorded by Final Wall) - Species (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Is this a sort of Avatar thing? Like Daemons, when outside the Warp, can be killed, but inside the Warp can only be affected with the same stuff that makes them up?

Yes and no? What you just described is how it works in 40K, but in Warhammer Fantasy it's closer to they have a solid "fleshsuit" with pure Aethyr inside, if you can't affect the Aethyr, the Daemon takes no damage as shown, if you can, see how it works in 40K.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

@RaikiKurohane99

What do you think about Warhammer Immunities?

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 3 - The Outer Gods are the same type of existences as the Constellations. Without their physical manifestations, Outer Gods are beings born from Chaos and rooted in the Outer Universe which is a Void, the sheer lack of existence, Chaos being "something" that exists outside the order of the World, a disorder which inherently lacks qualities and differentiations including nonexistence and existence, laws, logic, Life and Death, fate, plot, fundamental information that are erased from within it and causality. The qualities and distinctions that are part of the Order of the World pair completely with their opposites to form Dualities such as Good and Evil, Yin and Yang, Nonexistence and Existence, Life and Death, Reality and Fiction etc. and some are encompassed by "Walls" which are fragments of Final Wall. Ultimately chaos cannot be recorded by Final Wall) - Species (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint)

One thing I would like clarified is whether the Outer Gods themselves possess the properties of Chaos. Since being born from something isn't the same as having it's characteristics.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Why negation?

I have no idea. Since it was a thread reviewing paraconsistent physiology, I wanted to bring it up to see if it qualifies as PP2 as indicated.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I have no idea. Since it was a thread reviewing paraconsistent physiology, I wanted to bring it up to see if it qualifies as PP2 as indicated.

Yeah, it's PP, but it would be Cosmological, not an ability, like it's currently listed.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Why negation?

Negation was probably not right yeah, its more like interaction and destruction feat.

The Cosmologies are duality and gods are manifestation of them, and AC can interact and destroy others cosmology(pp2) than negation, because, negation in a sense means taking their duality from them, which not what AC does. Which also further prove when AC can only be stopped by another AC.

The power of 「Another Cosmology」 was originally used to destroy its target 「Cosmology」 possessing ability that could even exceed Almighty Floor (Little Garden three digit).

The 「Avesta」 that Aži Dakāha used was a classic example. That was the extreme of dualism that defined itself as justice and evil's right most side, imitating the opponent's 「Cosmology」 and possessed itself as the direct opposition.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Negation was probably not right yeah, its more like interaction and destruction feat.

The Cosmologies are duality and gods are manifestation of them, and AC can interact and destroy others cosmology(pp2) than negation, because, negation in a sense means taking their duality from them, which not what AC does. Which also further prove when AC can only be stopped by another AC.

Then yeah, NPI or Conceptual Manipulation, depending on how it's done.

 

[RitsuØ1]

Then yeah, NPI or Conceptual Manipulation, depending on how it's done.

Would this be fine on the profile?

NPI, PP Interaction (Current NPI and PP justification)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I feel like the Amount of Logical States/Truth Values should be stated. Like 3 Logical States, 5 Logical States, Infinite Logical States or even All Possible Logical States... Cause well, ya know... Not all are equal, especially for Type 3

Not really? Doesn't type 3 literally default to 4 truth states? You have to be neither A (1), nor not A (2), nor both A and not A (3), nor neither A nor not A (4), don't think type 3 can be anything less than 4 states

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Would this be fine on the profile?

Probably, but you would have to make a CRT, since this isn't the thread for that.