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OPM Phoenix space, Spirit world and Spirits

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Phoenix man's phoenix space, it's accepted as a mental plane as far as i know. But it's stated by him that this alternate space's purpose is to meet gods and spirits(霊 which means souls/spirits/ghost etc).

Phoenix man also says inside the costume is connected to 異界 which means Spirit World.

There are many moment where he uses 精神 which means spirit (It's also used for mind but there is the context explained by Phoenix man which makes it closer to soul here).

He also stated that they weren't able to physically interact with each other because they were 思念体(It means "Thoughtbody" but it's spiritual). It's translated as mental projection in Cubari but it's too literal + should be wrong here. (Viz might be better for the first time which they translated everything as spirit/soul)

There is a clear mention of soul here.

He's also shown to call support from the underworld/afterlife, supporting his ability being related to souls and his connection to spirit world. (also two ninjas who were killed was fully brought back to life because of his ability)

Phoenix space should be a spiritual space(Or both mental and spiritual space).

Translations have been accepted as fine here
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In this spiritual space, Phoenix man interacts with Child Emperor's spirit and was about to turn him into a monster. Doing it via manipulating his soul. He can also send everyone back as well.

He should have Soul Manipulation here.

Same with Saitama who can enter his spiritual space forcefully without a costume, interact with it and breaking a hole into it. Phoenix man was also afraid of getting his hands on Saitama even in the Spirit World, believing it would be dangerous.

Phoenix man was also capable of giving a monster cell consciousness/life using light and controlling it, the same light that were used for corpses. He should have Life_Manipulation.
 
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The Underworld is probably the name of the underground people's domain, not another dimension. He means that these monsters live underground and were buried underground when they died, not that they literally came from Hell or something.

Other than that, it sounds convincing, I agree.
 
The Underworld is probably the name of the underground people's domain, not another dimension. He means that these monsters live underground and were buried underground when they died, not that they literally came from Hell or something.
except that the subterraneans literraly say they come from "underground"they never say underworld
 
The Underworld is probably the name of the underground people's domain, not another dimension. He means that these monsters live underground and were buried underground when they died, not that they literally came from Hell or something.

Other than that, it sounds convincing, I agree.
the underworld there means "realm of the dead" in japanese. He doesn't refer to the location he's currently in.
 
maybe i just can't see them
where are the raws???????
"しんせかい ここ 精神世界 なんですけど・・"

Important parts : 精神
"古来からシャーマンが何かに扮して神や霊をうち内に下ろしたりするだろう?

あれが着ぐるみのルーツだからな

着ぐるみの中は異界に通じてるんだ"

important parts : 神 , 霊 , 異界
ここは着ぐるみの中でだけ共有できるとくべつ特別な精神空間そうだな…「フェニックス空間」とでも言おうか

今は俺の心理が色濃く反映されてるがね

Same as before, the important part is : 精神
俺達は精神で通じ合えるつまり彼我の境がない

共鳴度が増したな

思念体だ物理干渉はできん

Important parts: 思念体 , 精神

The panels are here

Sorry for not sending it first, bad habits since i usually translate it myself 🙇‍♂️
 
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given the initial speech about how shamans in costumes summon spirits as well as all the other evidence, i think it makes more sense to interpret it as a spiritual world over a mental plane alone
i have no real opinion on any of the other abilities (+ my evaluation doesn't mean anything since that isn't related to the translation stuff)
 
given the initial speech about how shamans in costumes summon spirits as well as all the other evidence, i think it makes more sense to interpret it as a spiritual world over a mental plane alone
i have no real opinion on any of the other abilities (+ my evaluation doesn't mean anything since that isn't related to the translation stuff)
Thank you for your help. 🙏
 
I agree with what Seiji's has said, also the rest of the thread seems fine.
Looks fine.
Is this fine?
Phoenix man:

Soul_Manipulation (Tried to turn Child Emperor into a monster by interacting and manipulating with his spirit.)
Life_Manipulation (Gave life to a monster cell and controlling it using light.)

Saitama:

Soul_Manipulation (Entered Phoenix Man's spiritual space by force without a costume, interact with it and breaking a hole into it. Phoenix man was afraid of getting his hands on Saitama even in the Spirit World, believing it would be bad.)
 
Saitama:

Soul_Manipulation (Entered Phoenix Man's spiritual space by force without a costume, interact with it and breaking a hole into it. Phoenix man was afraid of getting his hands on Saitama even in the Spirit World, believing it would be bad.)
Like I said in DMs, this isn't SM it's just NPI.
It should be noted that the ability to interact with souls and other non-corporeal entities directly as if they were physical objects is usually considered Non-Physical Interaction and does not grant the user the ability to manipulate them in other contexts.
Soul manipulation seems wildly misleading compared to what he actually did
 
Like I said in DMs, this isn't SM it's just NPI.

Soul manipulation seems wildly misleading compared to what he actually did
Not just this. Even the life manipulation part seems unreasonable. Scans doesn’t imply what he is arguing.
 
I think Saitama's Soul Manipulation will also cover Resistance to Soul Manipulation, considering that Phoenix Man, who has Soul Manipulation, doesn't dare to do anything to Saitama.
 
I think Saitama's Soul Manipulation will also cover Resistance to Soul Manipulation, considering that Phoenix Man, who has Soul Manipulation, doesn't dare to do anything to Saitama.
Does it cover for resistance? i thought about it but believed it's not good enough (still do)
 
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