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We're not down scaling people to superior forms based on a completely unconfirmed multiplier.We use it for other verses
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We're not down scaling people to superior forms based on a completely unconfirmed multiplier.We use it for other verses
Because your entire argument for him is based off: "I feel he should be stronger"I don't even care about WDM. Why should I be biased about him.
Not just Fubuki. Tatsumaki often is the only person she respects (Tho granted this maybe due to other reasons) and the HA see Blast as their strongest asset and final weapon.And those implacations come from Fubuki
I was reading the OP again, and this is the only thing I really agree with. The AS ap could also be argued.Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic (Intercepted God Blast from Psykos without any problems. Darkshine stated that he could easily defeat Half-Monster Garou. Able to react to and counter Evil Natural Water's high-pressure jets), with at least sub-relativistic attack speed
What? The reason the OP is using this is because of in MHA, someone apparently has the ability to increase strength several times, and it is accepted as at least 3x boost. It's the same thing here. If you are using the unconfirmed multiplier, then MHA would also need to be downgraded as well.We're not down scaling people to superior forms based on a completely unconfirmed multiplier.
Then downgrade MHA. Suggesting that Goketsu's human form is 90 Megatons or the Ninjas are sub-rel is a massive unbacked conclusion. Same with upscaling AS for no reason.It's the same thing here. If you are using the unconfirmed multiplier, then MHA would also need to be downgraded as well.
I get it now. But the reason why I am comparing it to walking/running speed is thatIt's not just Saitama, it's also Genos. That's my point, they can run way below their full speed without walking.
Gouketsu is also one of the famous martial artists. He is considered as first rate by Suiryu. Having a few statements wouldn't change anything.As I said, the Council members are a bunch of unknowns. But, they're still some of the world's greatest swordsmen and have actual feats.
Thag's the point but it doesn't change the fact that there is bunch of people outside HA who are very strong.Because it's literally the point of the series that he's the strongest ever and his strength isn't recognised.
Wdym?Firstly, that's ultra-vague.
So? That wouldn't change the fact that there are strong monsters we don't know aboutSecondly, monsters have different narrative standings than heroes.
Ok. Then it would simply be Human Gouketsu > WDM. What's so unbelievable about this? Having narrative important doesn't affect someone's power levelWhy should I have to believe it? There's no proof, and his best feats don't even come slightly close to 90 megatons.
Is Human Gouketsu 7-B+ because of the backscaling?Ok. Them it would simply be Human Gouketsu > WDM. What's so unbelievable about this? Having narrative important doesn't affect someone's power level
I can see why people would disagree against Ninja Bros and human Gouketsu but upscaling AS isn't without a reason. The calculation about him completely ignores Haragiri being monsterThen downgrade MHA. Suggesting that Goketsu's human form is 90 Megatons or the Ninjas are sub-rel is a massive unbacked conclusion. Same with upscaling AS for no reason.
Make a CRT.Then downgrade MHA
Yes.Is Human Gouketsu 7-B+ because of the backscaling?
W- whatOn completely unrelated note, would creating 1 m^3 fireball that reaches to plank temperature for one second be universe level?
You forgot to finish.I get it now. But the reason why I am comparing it to walking/running speed is that
Which I already covered, these people he fights are A-Class or lower. Yes it does.Gouketsu is also one of the famous martial artists. He is considered as first rate by Suiryu. Having a few statements wouldn't change anything.
What people? We just hear that there's threats we've never met.Thag's the point but it doesn't change the fact that there is bunch of people outside HA who are very strong.
It just specifies some form of threat to humanity, not even that (tmk) because you haven't even given the first half of the scan.Wdym?
It does, especially because we're told that nobody knows about this. They have no narrative portrayal because they effectively don't exist outside one statement.So? That wouldn't change the gafact that there are strong monsters we don't know about
So the Hero Association take absolutely no interest in him, we hear nothing except him being stronger than Suiryu (not even that technically), and you want to base his entire rating on a single off-hand statement from Phoenix Man dozens of chapters later into the series from a redraw?Ok. Them it would simply be Human Gouketsu > WDM. What's so unbelievable about this? Having narrative important doesn't affect someone's power level
According to my headcanon, "god" can do that. I wanted to calculate that but the answer I get from the calculator Vsbattles has link to gives me an answer which is magnitudes above Universe levelW- what
Considering the monster cells have no known consistent boost its the best minimum we have. But of your suggestions its the closest to being somewhat resonable.The calculation about him completely ignores Haragiri being monster
Go ahead man. I'm not stopping you.Make a CRT
God can do what?According to my headcanon, "god" can to that. I wanted to calculate that but the answer I get from the calculator Vsbattles has link to gives me an answer which is magnitudes above Universe level
I think he's asking you to do it since you were the guy opposing itGo ahead man. I'm not stopping you.
Can you please stay on topic?According to my headcanon, "god" can to that. I wanted to calculate that but the answer I get from the calculator Vsbattles has link to gives me an answer which is magnitudes above Universe level
You're the one who disagrees.Go ahead man. I'm not stopping you.
He can create a fireball that reaches to plank temperatureGod can do what?
Because it's unbacked and contradictory for OPM. Of you think it's the same for MHA then downgrade that as well, but it's not being applied here for a completely unknown and random power boost.You're the one who disagrees
From where does he do that exactly?He can create a fireball that reaches to plank temperature
How so? It's consistently shown that people get way stronger as monsters. It even says several in the series.Because it's unbacked and contradictory for OPM.
LikewiseImo, downscaling is not a good idea.
I don't know why it happened. Anyway. I was just saying they said they were being playful. That kind of speed doesn't even come to being playful for Saitama.You forgot to finish.
Why people he fight being A-class would affect anything? If you mean something like being famous martial artist isn't that hard, consider that we have no clue about how hard the first championship was. People all over world is pretty vague and there can be many strong guys who are well over A-class. Even Darkshine was competing in tournaments before becoming a heroWhich I already covered, these people he fights are A-Class or lower. Yes it does.
The others I counted such as Bomb. And again, power level has nothing to do with someone's narrative importance.What people? We just hear that there's threats we've never met.
Threat to humanity is either single strong individual , an organization or something like the meteor. The first two cases prove my point about strong beings outside of HA. The last one can happen unnoticed.It just specifies some form of threat to humanity, not even that (tmk) because you haven't even given the first half of the scan.
People thought he is dead. Not to mention, what's stopping them from refusing an offer from HA?So the Hero Association take absolutely no interest in him, we hear nothing except him being stronger than Suiryu (not even that technically), and you want to base his entire rating on a single off-hand statement from Phoenix Man dozens of chapters later into the series from a redraw?
I kind of agree actually. When I first thought about it yesterday I was thinking it is a terrible idea since Phoenix Man most likely meant "at least several times". Not to mention, saying beyond limits actually implies there is another boost(which pushes people to their limits) before multiplying power which would make high end of "several" unusable.Imo, downscaling is not a good idea.
Does it really count as a supportive feat? I mean, I can see things and consider it as impresive, but it does not means that it scales to me, not in the context that the statement was made, but thats my opinionSuiryu views Gouketsu as impressive. I'd say his human self should be likely comparable: Likely Low 7-C (Suiryu viewed him as impressive)
No. Not without a edited calc or some blog detailing the scaling we're using. Becuase currently we're just saying he's sub-rel from a MHS+ calc which doesn't make sense.But most people aren't against Atomic upgrade. So can we just do it and be done?
Atomic Samurai can be upgraded I guesswe apply changes?