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We're not down scaling people to superior forms based on a completely unconfirmed multiplier.
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OPM monster cell upgrades
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Because your entire argument for him is based off: "I feel he should be stronger"
Not just Fubuki. Tatsumaki often is the only person she respects (Tho granted this maybe due to other reasons) and the HA see Blast as their strongest asset and final weapon.
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I was reading the OP again, and this is the only thing I really agree with. The AS ap could also be argued.
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What? The reason the OP is using this is because of in MHA, someone apparently has the ability to increase strength several times, and it is accepted as at least 3x boost. It's the same thing here. If you are using the unconfirmed multiplier, then MHA would also need to be downgraded as well.
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The MHA thing has no contradictions and is the crux of that character's abilities. It's pretty different from one heavily contradicted statement (mind you, I'm saying monsters converted via monster cells are stronger than several) that their power is multiplied several times.
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Then downgrade MHA. Suggesting that Goketsu's human form is 90 Megatons or the Ninjas are sub-rel is a massive unbacked conclusion. Same with upscaling AS for no reason.
For all we know the monster cell multiplier could be in the hundreds or thousands of times difference. It canonically varies in effectiveness and there's zero consistent boost about it.
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I get it now. But the reason why I am comparing it to walking/running speed is that
Gouketsu is also one of the famous martial artists. He is considered as first rate by Suiryu. Having a few statements wouldn't change anything.
Thag's the point but it doesn't change the fact that there is bunch of people outside HA who are very strong.
Wdym?
So? That wouldn't change the fact that there are strong monsters we don't know about
Ok. Then it would simply be Human Gouketsu > WDM. What's so unbelievable about this? Having narrative important doesn't affect someone's power level
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Is Human Gouketsu 7-B+ because of the backscaling?
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I can see why people would disagree against Ninja Bros and human Gouketsu but upscaling AS isn't without a reason. The calculation about him completely ignores Haragiri being monster
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Make a CRT.
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Yes.
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W- what
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You forgot to finish.
Which I already covered, these people he fights are A-Class or lower. Yes it does.
What people? We just hear that there's threats we've never met.
It just specifies some form of threat to humanity, not even that (tmk) because you haven't even given the first half of the scan.
It does, especially because we're told that nobody knows about this. They have no narrative portrayal because they effectively don't exist outside one statement.
So the Hero Association take absolutely no interest in him, we hear nothing except him being stronger than Suiryu (not even that technically), and you want to base his entire rating on a single off-hand statement from Phoenix Man dozens of chapters later into the series from a redraw?
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According to my headcanon, "god" can do that. I wanted to calculate that but the answer I get from the calculator Vsbattles has link to gives me an answer which is magnitudes above Universe level
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Considering the monster cells have no known consistent boost its the best minimum we have. But of your suggestions its the closest to being somewhat resonable.
Go ahead man. I'm not stopping you.
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God can do what?
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I think he's asking you to do it since you were the guy opposing it
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Because it's unbacked and contradictory for OPM. Of you think it's the same for MHA then downgrade that as well, but it's not being applied here for a completely unknown and random power boost.
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From where does he do that exactly?
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How so? It's consistently shown that people get way stronger as monsters. It even says several in the series.
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I agree with the 3x multiplier.
Imo, downscaling is not a good idea.
Imo, downscaling is not a good idea.
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Likewise
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I don't know why it happened. Anyway. I was just saying they said they were being playful. That kind of speed doesn't even come to being playful for Saitama.
Why people he fight being A-class would affect anything? If you mean something like being famous martial artist isn't that hard, consider that we have no clue about how hard the first championship was. People all over world is pretty vague and there can be many strong guys who are well over A-class. Even Darkshine was competing in tournaments before becoming a hero
The others I counted such as Bomb. And again, power level has nothing to do with someone's narrative importance.
Threat to humanity is either single strong individual , an organization or something like the meteor. The first two cases prove my point about strong beings outside of HA. The last one can happen unnoticed.
People thought he is dead. Not to mention, what's stopping them from refusing an offer from HA?
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I kind of agree actually. When I first thought about it yesterday I was thinking it is a terrible idea since Phoenix Man most likely meant "at least several times". Not to mention, saying beyond limits actually implies there is another boost(which pushes people to their limits) before multiplying power which would make high end of "several" unusable.
But for some reason I felt like it is a good idea this morning. So I included it anyway
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I think we could use a 3x just like a lowball, but for monsters that don't have contradiction or like some that get MUCH stronger.
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Does it really count as a supportive feat? I mean, I can see things and consider it as impresive, but it does not means that it scales to me, not in the context that the statement was made, but thats my opinion
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Btw, it seems like nobody wants to upgrade other characters besides Atomic. But most people aren't against Atomic upgrade. So can we just do it and be done? But before that
> Btw Haragiri's speech implies that his hand moves at that speed when he uses sword. The sword itself should be faster. For example, if the sword has the same length as his arm, the tip of sword would move 2 times faster. But it will give the same result(sub-relativistic) anyway.
Nobody said anything about this. What do you think?
> Btw Haragiri's speech implies that his hand moves at that speed when he uses sword. The sword itself should be faster. For example, if the sword has the same length as his arm, the tip of sword would move 2 times faster. But it will give the same result(sub-relativistic) anyway.
Nobody said anything about this. What do you think?
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No. Not without a edited calc or some blog detailing the scaling we're using. Becuase currently we're just saying he's sub-rel from a MHS+ calc which doesn't make sense.
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If anyone has the quote, send it to me and I'll blog
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One-Punch Man: Atomic Samurai is fast
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We need a topic for changes, I'll do it
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Why was there even a discussion about the human forms of Monsters who we only see as Monsters?
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Atomic Samurai can be upgraded I guess
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