One-Punch Man- Downgrade likely High 6-A

[Shadow_x007x]

Initially, we scaled Evil Ocean Water and Sage Centipede above Psykorochi due to them acquiring God's power following Psykorochi and Tatsumaki's battle. However, this seems inaccurate. We know that the strength gained from God's power varies depending on the individual. [And if we apply the same logic, characters who obtain God's power would immediately scale above Void, who is comparable to Blast, but we know that's not accurate.] I propose we remove their likely High 6-A rating.
The characters that will be affected are:

• Evil Ocean Water
• Sage Centipede
• Metal Bat
• Garou

Count the votes:

• Agree: @Damage3245, @DavidTPPM, @Achmad76c, @Sus, @Baabasaplar95, @JustANormalPerson01, @Engine, @Kaandnyy
• Disagree: @Emerald (At least it should be better than Orochi), @Minos_the_Judge (At least it should be better than Orochi), @Farfetchedx
• Neutral:

 

[RoyGundam]

Metal Bat, for one, should definitely not be scaled to Sage Centipede

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

No, our logic works differently. Centipede claims that her goal is to kill Anti-God Fist. Garou claims that Saitama is the Anti-God Fist. According to Centipede, God created him. God saw that Saitama was stronger than Psycos.

God would not send a being weaker than the one he saw easily overpowered by Saitama to kill Saitama.

 

[Damage3245]

God would not send a being weaker than the one he saw easily overpowered by Saitama to kill Saitama.

He sent two at once to deal with him so each could be individually weaker than Psykos.

Unless we gave more confirmation that they're superior or equal to Psykos I'm fine with the downgrade.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Unless we gave more confirmation that they're superior or equal to Psykos I'm fine with the downgrade.

Agree.

In fact, Garou's words about it being about Saitama all along were always dubious to me. God began his actions when Garou revealed himself as the Godslayer.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Makes sense, I agree

 

[Achmad76c]

Agree

 

[Sus]

i agree, statements in OPM are dubious and require alot of assumptions and hulahoops to work with, just scale everyone to their feats

 

[Emerald]

Except, we dont scale SC and ENO this high bcs they received God's power, hell they never received any blessing from him at all. They were sent to beat the Fist that Revolted Against God aka Saitama, who God would know is above Tats and Psykorochi.
Honestly I feel like the scaling should remain but instead it should be Orochi instead of Psykorochi since God knew that Saitama was stronger than Orochi, and Garou's feat of killing SC was enough to make Saitama consider him the Monster King while he didn't think the same about Orochi

 

[Baabasaplar95]

Agree

 

[Shadow_x007x]

God saw that Saitama was stronger than Psycos.

God has never seen or said such a thing.

 

[Engine]

Thanks for this, I agree.

 

[Engine]

God's main objective at that time was obtaining Tatsumaki as main force and summon the two monsters as a support to fight Saitama but ultimately failed. The two monster doesn't necessarily stronger to Psykorochi, God just used it as a catalyst for Tatsumaki to worn out.

 

[Farfetchedx]

Initially, we scaled Evil Ocean Water and Sage Centipede above Psykorochi due to them acquiring God's power following Psykorochi and Tatsumaki's battle. However, this seems inaccurate. We know that the strength gained from God's power varies depending on the individual. [And if we apply the same logic, characters who obtain God's power would immediately scale above Void, who is comparable to Blast, but we know that's not accurate.]

No, that has nothing to do with the rating on the profile. They are rated that because they were tasked specifically to defeat Saitama, not simply because they were given powers after the psychic battle.

likely at least Multi-Continent level+ (Was tasked by God to defeat the "Abominable Fist That Turned Against God" alongside Evil Ocean Water, even after God witnessed Tatsumaki overpower Psykorochi, which would make him stronger than the latter. Saitama thought that Garou could be the Monster King after seeing his strength from killing Sage Centipede, unlike Orochi)

The scaling to Orochi should remain. As for Psykorochi, it depends on if God considered Saitama to be stronger than Tatsumak

 

[Shadow_x007x]

No, that has nothing to do with the rating on the profile. They are rated that because they were tasked specifically to defeat Saitama, not simply because they were given powers after the psychic battle.

likely at least Multi-Continent level+ (Was tasked by God to defeat the "Abominable Fist That Turned Against God" alongside Evil Ocean Water, even after God witnessed Tatsumaki overpower Psykorochi, which would make him stronger than the latter. Saitama thought that Garou could be the Monster King after seeing his strength from killing Sage Centipede, unlike Orochi)

The scaling to Orochi should remain. As for Psykorochi, it depends on if God considered Saitama to be stronger than Tatsumak

If we use this reasoning, we can scale them to surpass anything Saitama has ever fought before, such as Boros.

 

[Farfetchedx]

If we use this reasoning, we can scale them to surpass anything Saitama has ever fought before, such as Boros.

Did God witness the Boros vs Saitama fight?

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Did God witness the Boros vs Saitama fight?

There is no evidence, just like we have no evidence that God witnessed the fight between Saitama and Orochi.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

There is no evidence, just like we have no evidence that God witnessed the fight between Saitama and Orochi.

Well, actually, he was. Orochi was his sacrifice. As we were shown, the drawing of God on the wall is actually one of the... Avatars? Probably the avatars of God. The drawing even raised its head when it heard Garou's thoughts about being a godslayer.

 

[Farfetchedx]

There is no evidence, just like we have no evidence that God witnessed the fight between Saitama and Orochi.

He saw the psykos fight, then tasked SC&ENO with defeating Saitama, who he sees as stronger than tatsumaki, meaning: SC>Tatsumaki overpowering Psykos> Psykos>Orochi. That's the current justification on the profile

There is still this justification for upscaling orochi: Saitama thought that Garou could be the Monster King after seeing his strength from killing Sage Centipede, unlike Orochi)

 

[Kaandnyy]

Initially, we scaled Evil Ocean Water and Sage Centipede above Psykorochi due to them acquiring God's power following Psykorochi and Tatsumaki's battle. However, this seems inaccurate. We know that the strength gained from God's power varies depending on the individual. [And if we apply the same logic, characters who obtain God's power would immediately scale above Void, who is comparable to Blast, but we know that's not accurate.] I propose we remove their likely High 6-A rating.
The characters that will be affected are:

• Evil Ocean Water
• Sage Centipede
• Metal Bat
• Garou

I agree.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

He saw the psykos fight, then tasked SC&ENO with defeating Saitama, who he sees as stronger than tatsumaki, meaning: SC>Tatsumaki overpowering Psykos> Psykos>Orochi. That's the current justification on the profile

SC is not superior to Tatsumaki. We clearly know that Tatsumaki did not use her full power to defeat Psykos.

I might have no problem scaling SC above Orochi, but he wouldn't be above Psykos or Tatsumaki. With this evidence alone, we don't know how much God values Saitama, and whether we think Saitama is above Tatsumaki considering that God clearly wants to give Tatsumaki power.

 

[Farfetchedx]

SC is not superior to Tatsumaki. We clearly know that Tatsumaki did not use her full power to defeat Psykos.

Bro, reread what I said and then read the profile. I said that SC would be stronger than Tatsumaki overpowering Psykos(The level of power she used on Psykos), not stronger than Tatsumaki herself. Don't know why do these things always get misinterpreted.

With this evidence alone, we don't know how much God values Saitama, and whether we think Saitama is above Tatsumaki considering that God clearly wants to give Tatsumaki power.

That's why I said before that depends on if God considered Saitama to be stronger than Tatsumaki, which I would think he does, since he only sees Saitama as a threat. But if that not enough to say God sees him above Tatsumaki, then I guess it can be removed, but the Orochi scaling should stay.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Agree with the thread.

For those arguing that God sent beings to fight Saitama "so he should know how strong he was", let me remind you that God did not know who Saitama was when they met, hell, he was offering Saitama alongside FF and Manako powers, and God recognised Blast immediatly when he heard him talking.

Besides that, as others have pointed out, God's main plan was to make Tatsumaki succumb and give her his hand like he did to Garou, and was seen upset when she realized of the trick. Then he sent the 2 monsters instead to fight.

We do not know if he was going to send those 2 monsters originally. Honestly, I doubt it. If his strategy was give the power to one being and send other 2 to help, he would have tried the same when he gave power to Garou, but there he sent Garou as a God avatar alone.

Anyway, I do not find the proof convincing even for a likely tier.

likely at least Multi-Continent level+ (Was tasked by God to defeat the "Abominable Fist That Turned Against God" alongside Evil Ocean Water, even after God witnessed Tatsumaki overpower Psykorochi, which would make him stronger than the latter.

As I said, God's original plan was to send Tatsumaki amped by his power and sent them after Tatsumaki did not fall to the trick. They also were teaming up, so claiming each one is individually stronger than Psykorochi does not work either. And hell, even if we scale them to Psykorochi, why do we asume their physical scales to Psykorochi's psychic powers?

Saitama thought that Garou could be the Monster King after seeing his strength from killing Sage Centipede, unlike Orochi)

I do not know why this is even used to scale SC and EOW. At that point of the fight, Garou killed Sage Centipede with a single Karate Chop and pierced through his core easily. Even if we asume Garou is stronger than Orochi, there's no reason a Sage Centipede who literally died with a single strike due to the sheer difference in strength would scale.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump

 

[Farfetchedx]

Agree with the thread.

For those arguing that God sent beings to fight Saitama "so he should know how strong he was", let me remind you that God did not know who Saitama was when they met, hell, he was offering Saitama alongside FF and Manako powers, and God recognised Blast immediatly when he heard him talking.

He more than likely couldn't see or recognize them, only sensed them. God didn't recognize Blast when he first appeared. It was only after Blast began explaining the cube and his mission to collect them that God realized who he was. Also it wouldn't make sense for God not to know Saitama when they met, because he sent Sage and Evil Ocean Water to kill him, even though Saitama did absolutely nothing between those times.

Besides that, as others have pointed out, God's main plan was to make Tatsumaki succumb and give her his hand like he did to Garou, and was seen upset when she realized of the trick. Then he sent the 2 monsters instead to fight.

We do not know if he was going to send those 2 monsters originally. Honestly, I doubt it. If his strategy was give the power to one being and send other 2 to help, he would have tried the same when he gave power to Garou, but there he sent Garou as a God avatar alone.

Anyway, I do not find the proof convincing even for a likely tier.

No, Sage Centipede and Evil Ocean Water started appearing before God tried to corrupt Tatsumski. As matter of fact, they started appearing during the 3 way speedster fight in chapter 155.

You can see the fight between Garou, Flashy Flash and PS is still going on as the monsters appear. God approached Tatsumaki after Garou killed PS and ended the fight.

As I said, God's original plan was to send Tatsumaki amped by his power and sent them after Tatsumaki did not fall to the trick. They also were teaming up, so claiming each one is individually stronger than Psykorochi does not work either. And hell, even if we scale them to Psykorochi, why do we asume their physical scales to Psykorochi's psychic powers?

It seems like God's plan was to send all three of them at the same time, which would would still make them individually stronger than Psykos, seeing as though he gave Psykos powers and she failed. If he was sending the 3 of them for someone(Saitama) who he believes is above THE LEVEL OF POWER TATSUMAKI USED ON PSYKOS(NOT TATSUMAKI'S FULL POWER), then they should all be stronger Psykos, since the power Tatsumaki used one shotted her. If Sage and Ocean Water is not above Psykos, it would be useless to send them, as Saitama could also one shot Psykos in God's eyes. The whole argument about their physical strength being not scaling to Psykos psychic powers makes no sense. If they're stronger than her, they should be stronger than her with psychic powers.

I do not know why this is even used to scale SC and EOW. At that point of the fight, Garou killed Sage Centipede with a single Karate Chop and pierced through his core easily. Even if we asume Garou is stronger than Orochi, there's no reason a Sage Centipede who literally died with a single strike due to the sheer difference in strength would scale.

Well its because Saitama defeated Orochi and didn't even recognize him as an opponent( he didn't even recognize they were fighting), and when he saw Garou one shotted Sage, he thought it was Monster king worthy. If Garou had one shotted some weak fodder, he wouldn't have have thought that he was the monster king. So Sage Centipede had to be impressive for Saitama to say that. Its because of WHO Garou one shotted that makes it impressive to Saitama.

Initially, we scaled Evil Ocean Water and Sage Centipede above Psykorochi due to them acquiring God's power following Psykorochi and Tatsumaki's battle. However, this seems inaccurate. We know that the strength gained from God's power varies depending on the individual. [And if we apply the same logic, characters who obtain God's power would immediately scale above Void, who is comparable to Blast, but we know that's not accurate.] I propose we remove their likely High 6-A rating.
The characters that will be affected are:

• Evil Ocean Water
• Sage Centipede
• Metal Bat
• Garou

Count the votes:

• Agree: @Damage3245, @DavidTPPM, @Achmad76c, @Sus, @Baabasaplar95, @JustANormalPerson01, @Engine, @Kaandnyy
• Disagree: @Emerald (At least it should be better than Orochi), @Minos_the_Judge (At least it should be better than Orochi), @Farfetchedx
• Neutral:

The OP should be changed. As I and others have said, what is stated in the OP has nothing to do with why we scale them to where they are and what is on their profiles. It seems like most people agreed without knowing the reason as to why they scaled in the first place.

Also, wasn't Orochi made into a sacrifice for Sage Centipede. Sage should scale scale just based off that.

 

[Raiden38]

Initially, we scaled Evil Ocean Water and Sage Centipede above Psykorochi due to them acquiring God's power following Psykorochi and Tatsumaki's battle. However, this seems inaccurate. We know that the strength gained from God's power varies depending on the individual. [And if we apply the same logic, characters who obtain God's power would immediately scale above Void, who is comparable to Blast, but we know that's not accurate.] I propose we remove their likely High 6-A rating.
The characters that will be affected are:

• Evil Ocean Water
• Sage Centipede
• Metal Bat
• Garou

Count the votes:

• Agree: @Damage3245, @DavidTPPM, @Achmad76c, @Sus, @Baabasaplar95, @JustANormalPerson01, @Engine, @Kaandnyy
• Disagree: @Emerald (At least it should be better than Orochi), @Minos_the_Judge (At least it should be better than Orochi), @Farfetchedx
• Neutral:

Disagree FRA

 

[Coomandar]

agreed