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One-Punch Man: AP Revisions

Two characters fighting alongside each other against another doesn't mean those two characters are equal.
if jet psykos takes damage from drive knight which also resists attacks from genos which is 7A yes even if damaged
and then resists attacks from atomic samurai always 7A etc so drive knight scales 7A as well as Genos who being 7A are able to hurt her
which then damages genos with those attacks which still destroyed g5 with core 7A without effort
 
Jet Psykos did not resist attacks from Atomic Samurai.

Genos used a jet-boosted kick (the Jet Drive Arrow) to destroy G5 IIRC. Not an attack that has "no effort" to it.
 
Surviving an attack isn't the same as scaling to an attack though.
It's not surviving, it's resisting which is different...and jet psykos still resists the attack of atomic samurai if she hadn't resisted she would have been torn to pieces like what happened with Rhino wrestler who is large Town level instead she resists the attack
but then it still holds up against Genos' attacks which would still make it 7A
 
Jet Psykos did not resist attacks from Atomic Samurai.

Genos used a jet-boosted kick (the Jet Drive Arrow) to destroy G5 IIRC. Not an attack that has "no effort" to it.
no that is not the jet drive arrow it seems but seeing when he uses it the attack is different and in the kick blades form that create an arrow-like figure instead the attack he uses against G5 is nameless and does not have the specifications of the jet drive arrow as we have seen it but it is only a kick with the thrusters active which then if it had been a jet drive arrow Genos would have said it as the characters practically always do when they use techniques
even simply as a warning of his entrance on the scene
which then against jet psykos genos uses energy attacks from the core so in any case an attack that certainly requires more effort than the thruster kick used against g5
 
Though Nyan is missing from the sandbox, I believe the proposal is to upgrade him to Mountain level through Drive Knight who is being proposed to be Mountain level via scaling to Jet Psykos.

Although Jet Psykos is currently Large Town level so I'm not sure why this proposal is the way it is.
Nyan > PPP Dark Vibration Angel Rush

Mountain level with Vibration ☆ Dark Angel ☆ Rush (Damaged Jet Psykos' bladed arms, which could withstand clashing with Promoted Rook[Note 3][2])
 
I'll give a more full evaluation of the thread later but currently I'm not really in favor of scaling Golden Sperm and Homeless Emperor to Gouketsu through Psykos' statement. Gouketsu was already deceased at the time when Psykos made the statement. At the very least I wouldn't grant them a solid rating off of this and more of a possibly/likely at best.
 
I'll give a more full evaluation of the thread later but currently I'm not really in favor of scaling Golden Sperm and Homeless Emperor to Gouketsu through Psykos' statement. Gouketsu was already deceased at the time when Psykos made the statement. At the very least I wouldn't grant them a solid rating off of this and more of a possibly/likely at best.
I agree with this comment. I don't think they can upgrade a character to 6-B since Gouketsu is dead. The fact that they can beat anyone afterwards doesn't make them superior to a dead character (and even if you guys tried to make it superior, I'd still suggest it should be a "possibly", not an absolute score).
 
I still have some problems with Gouketsu's 6-B calculation. I'm not sure if the shockwave was from Gouketsu or Saitama. I think it might be Saitama's punch.
 
I still have some problems with Gouketsu's 6-B calculation. I'm not sure if the shockwave was from Gouketsu or Saitama. I think it might be Saitama's punch.
No, those shockwaves are from Gouketsu. Saitama only punches once at the end of the fight off-screen.
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I agree with this comment. I don't think they can upgrade a character to 6-B since Gouketsu is dead. The fact that they can beat anyone afterwards doesn't make them superior to a dead character (and even if you guys tried to make it superior, I'd still suggest it should be a "possibly", not an absolute score).
he died against Saitama who is the crazy variant of the verse
 
I'll give a more full evaluation of the thread later but currently I'm not really in favor of scaling Golden Sperm and Homeless Emperor to Gouketsu through Psykos' statement. Gouketsu was already deceased at the time when Psykos made the statement. At the very least I wouldn't grant them a solid rating off of this and more of a possibly/likely at best.
this doesn't mean that psykos didn't know about gouketsu's strength he just didn't know the Saitama variant that throws everything in the dumpster because he's Saitama
for me a solid 6B is fine but also a possibly 6B can be fine, there are no valid reasons imo why 6B cannot be accepted without likely/possibly
 
I mean, Psykos's statement shouldn't cover characters who are dead. Just because he can "beat anyone" doesn't mean he has to beat the dead ones too, right?
If it's just being dead or alive problem, she saw that "King" defeated Orochi and yet she made that statement no? She knows that Orochi is stronger than Gouketsu. Gouketsu also stated that Orochi is stronger than him.
 
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I mean, Psykos's statement shouldn't cover characters who are dead. Just because he can "beat anyone" doesn't mean he has to beat the dead ones too, right?
it doesn't matter if gouketsu died or not Psykos knew how strong the latter was and simply considered Homeless emperor and Black sperm stronger
 
Why Mask x2 stronger than 300 kilotons?
Amai Mask is capable of withstanding blows from Fuhrer Ugly while not defending himself.
His AP scales to his durability, as he was able to harm himself. His durability, in turn, scales to Fuhrer Ugly, who I'm guessing scales above Bug God, given that he's a Dragon-level monster. Bug should scales to 600 kilotons since he no-sold having Royal Ripper's attack redirected with 2x the force back into him.
 
I'm concerned over possible circular scaling. Currently investigating it and will comment later.

His AP scales to his durability, as he was able to harm himself. His durability, in turn, scales to Fuhrer Ugly, who I'm guessing scales above Bug God, given that he's a Dragon-level monster. Bug should scales to 600 kilotons since he no-sold having Royal Ripper's attack redirected with 2x the force back into him.

That needs to be made clearer in the sandbox if that's the case because currently only Amai Mask's AP is listed there, and nothing for Fuhrer Ugly.


But I disagree with this part of the proposal for Amai Mask. Fuhrer Ugly being more powerful/destructive than Bug God due to different Disaster Ratings doesn't necessarily mean that this is Fuhrer Ugly's baseline level of strength. We know that Fuhrer Ugly can amp himself (one such difference in performance being hardly able to damage Amai Mask in their first encounter to then being able to cave in Amai Mask's face later). So I don't think there's any solid proof that the hits that Fuhrer Ugly was using against Amai Mask at first was as hard as Bug God's punches.

I also believe this would introduce a circular scaling issue for Fuhrer Ugly and Bug God if this was the proposed change.
 
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I'm concerned over possible circular scaling. Currently investigating it and will comment later.



That needs to be made clearer in the sandbox if that's the case because currently only Amai Mask's AP is listed there, and nothing for Fuhrer Ugly.


But I disagree with this part of the proposal for Amai Mask. Fuhrer Ugly being more powerful/destructive than Bug God due to different Disaster Ratings doesn't necessarily mean that this is Fuhrer Ugly's baseline level of strength. We know that Fuhrer Ugly can amp himself (one such difference in performance being hardly able to damage Amai Mask in their first encounter to then being able to cave in Amai Mask's face later). So I don't think there's any solid proof that the hits that Fuhrer Ugly was using against Amai Mask at first was as hard as Bug God's punches.

I also believe this would introduce a circular scaling issue for Fuhrer Ugly and Bug God if this was the proposed change.
actually based on the fact that psykos simply uses the fighting strength as a parameter for the hierarchical system it follows that Fuhrer ugly is stronger than Bug God even in offensive so it should scale high7C+ the case G5 demon level is different because he was practically the newcomer in the ranks of the monster association so psykos did not fully know what he was capable of
then if Fuhrer ugly base was already considered a dragon level threat worthy of the rank of executive then it means that he is much superior to bug god who was still considered a demon level threat so ×2 can be there for sweet Mask, Fuhrer ugly etc...
 
I'm concerned over possible circular scaling. Currently investigating it and will comment later.



That needs to be made clearer in the sandbox if that's the case because currently only Amai Mask's AP is listed there, and nothing for Fuhrer Ugly.


But I disagree with this part of the proposal for Amai Mask. Fuhrer Ugly being more powerful/destructive than Bug God due to different Disaster Ratings doesn't necessarily mean that this is Fuhrer Ugly's baseline level of strength. We know that Fuhrer Ugly can amp himself (one such difference in performance being hardly able to damage Amai Mask in their first encounter to then being able to cave in Amai Mask's face later). So I don't think there's any solid proof that the hits that Fuhrer Ugly was using against Amai Mask at first was as hard as Bug God's punches.

I also believe this would introduce a circular scaling issue for Fuhrer Ugly and Bug God if this was the proposed change.
and then Fuhrer ugly seems not to have been had a strength amplification was still in base form with no changes to hit sweet mask he simply managed to catch him with his guard down since he was immobilized by black sperm and then he did the damage to him
 
I'm concerned over possible circular scaling. Currently investigating it and will comment later.



That needs to be made clearer in the sandbox if that's the case because currently only Amai Mask's AP is listed there, and nothing for Fuhrer Ugly.


But I disagree with this part of the proposal for Amai Mask. Fuhrer Ugly being more powerful/destructive than Bug God due to different Disaster Ratings doesn't necessarily mean that this is Fuhrer Ugly's baseline level of strength. We know that Fuhrer Ugly can amp himself (one such difference in performance being hardly able to damage Amai Mask in their first encounter to then being able to cave in Amai Mask's face later). So I don't think there's any solid proof that the hits that Fuhrer Ugly was using against Amai Mask at first was as hard as Bug God's punches.

I also believe this would introduce a circular scaling issue for Fuhrer Ugly and Bug God if this was the proposed change.
there are other problems?
 
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