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One Piece pacifistas lasers downgrade
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He's shown some knowledge on Pacifista's according to Kizaru, and he should be quite familiar with Kizaru himself.
Granted what he says is that Vegapunk recreated "Kizaru's attack power" which can have a couple of interpretations.
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So him having internal information on the navy means he knows everything concerning Dr.Vegapunk's robotics? To the point where him saying "it's Kizaru's laser" is believable, and most likely accurate in all respects?
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Not exactly, but he is a very knowledgeable as he is also a former navy rear admiral and he knew about vegapunk hence why he said "so you finally" but well the entire point of the OP is to show although they were recreated to be kizaru beams they are slower thats all
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You: Identical
Me: Proves you wrong
You: Changes your word.
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He couldn't dodge close range light a foot from his face?
How does that counter reacting to long distance light?
No, it's called "Talking is a free action"
Prove he was walking. His legs were stagnant, no movement
The one in Blue.
Not feeling pain ≠ Not damaged.
And all Luffy did was scream.
Kizaru catching up to Luffy and saying "too slow" before he even kicks him is travel speed.
What's your point?
So why aren't there Logia and Paramecia smile fruits rn?
Prove it.
He works alongside Koby who met Vegapunk.
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Disagree hard, those beams are definitely light speed
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Regardless, they fulfill 2 requirements of light.
Made out of light.
Comes from a realistic technological source.
Even if they're not the same as Kizaru's, they follow their own criteria which is good enough for lightspeed.
Made out of light.
Comes from a realistic technological source.
Even if they're not the same as Kizaru's, they follow their own criteria which is good enough for lightspeed.
PrinceofPein
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Maybe you should check what synonyms mean
The one in blue is for luffy running tho
Yes still my point, he could no longer feel anything was wrong with him hence there was nothing hindering his reaction speed as u say
Uhhmmm?? But the beams also travel at LS (according to you) and luffy could react why can't he react to another LS attack??
Or can't you even see what you are saying
So luffy unable to react to kizaru LS kick is cause its travel speed? Since is kicking someone not pertaining to combat?
Even let's say kizaru was traveling from a distance which is not so since luffy was charging towards the platform where kizaru is
Kizaru in light speed form still called luffy in G2 too slow, statued then blitzed him
Let's say what kizaru did was traveling
Kizaru travels in LS so if luffy in base can dodge LS attacks why can't he react to kizaru also traveling in LS when he is in g2?
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Feats says otherwise tho
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Replica: an exact copy or model of something, especially one on a smaller scale.
Proof?
... what?
I can dodge a car a mile away. I can't dodge it point blank.
Learn physics.
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Which ones?
Laser/Light Beam Dodging Feats
"Light" or "Laser" dodging is a fairly common trope seen in fiction and often the center of debate regarding characters' speeds, given that light is the fastest known thing in the real universe. This article will set forth the standards of this wiki in determining what is considered a real...
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Read this page.
It's valid.
It's lightspeed.
PrinceofPein
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Not going to argue semantics
Proof ?
Luffy is shown to be running and there is a SFX for someone running above him??
Lmao
Except they also dodged the said beams of pacifistas point blank
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Read the OP
Except it was shown to be slower than the actual light speed thing in the verseLaser/Light Beam Dodging Feats
"Light" or "Laser" dodging is a fairly common trope seen in fiction and often the center of debate regarding characters' speeds, given that light is the fastest known thing in the real universe. This article will set forth the standards of this wiki in determining what is considered a real...
Read this page.
It's valid.
It's lightspeed.
Yes it would be valid if kizaru was not shown at all just said to be light speed e.t.c.
But they were shown to be slower than the actual thing
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What? I thought it was decided last thread that these "gag" like scenes were NOT going to be used as legit feats, but it's okay to use them as anti-feats? LOL
Anyway, I agree with Tempest.
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Read my first debunk
Never shown
Never shown
Your arguments were debunked.
Your arguments were "they can react from a far distance to one, but they can't react from a far distance to another".
Science.
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You can't read?
PrinceofPein
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Read my reply to that
Read OP
None lmao
Luffy and zoro can react to the pacifistas beams at their face lmao
But G2 luffy was statued by kizaru
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Yeah, I'm leaning against this now.
I think that if there was meant to be a great difference in the types of beams, it would have been portrayed when Kizaru and the Pacifista's were in the same battle.
While them being different speeds would help explain some feats to me, those are explainable in other ways so it isn't a requirement.
I think that if there was meant to be a great difference in the types of beams, it would have been portrayed when Kizaru and the Pacifista's were in the same battle.
While them being different speeds would help explain some feats to me, those are explainable in other ways so it isn't a requirement.
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Read my reply
Read my debunk
Were the beams an inch from their face?
Could the beams change directions depending on Luffy and Zoro's actions?
Did the beams have Observation Haki and a damn conscience that chooses where to attack?
No? Damn. Too bad
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It was actually, when multiple pacifistas were about to fire their beams at luffy he readied himself to dodge before Hancock made them abort
Compared to getting statued by kizaru
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Uhhmmm honestly of all your point the one above kizaru obvs haki is what I agree with.
And yes the beam was inches from zoro before he moved in thriller bark
And luffy was sitting and the pacifista standing above him, he still dodged that
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No, the beams were not an inch away from them.
Minimum it was was a meter.
Please remember, Kizaru has a leg.
You can dodge the foot and get hit by the shin.
He runs up and closes as much distance as possible before he harms you.
Why do you think he only hit Luffy with a laser once (when he was on the ground) instead of rapidly shooting lasers like he did at WB?
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Yes fair point and the obvs haki literally makes him know luffy next move
Okay last one that I think needs to be addressed
Why could he statue G2 luffy in logia form(LS)
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Kizaru has superior travel and combat speed and he was closer to Luffy than the lasers were.
Luffy had far less time to react to Kizaru's kick than he did with the lasers, and Luffy was already moving in 1 direction.
Luffy got kicked in mid air. He can't run north while being in mid air and dodge south, because 1. He's in mid air, and 2. He's in a different direction.
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HARD agree with Tempest. A lot of this thread just seems to be "lol it's actually X" coming from pain without really explaining why, and if he does explain why, it's usually just wrong in some way.
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Well these are good points and I think I'm satisfied
Yes kizaru superiority and precog is enough to statue luffy
And he is also more versatile than robots.
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Actually not that, I just didnt agree with his first counter
But his later counter about kizaru haki is good, since kizaru knows where they are going before they even dodge.
And it also goes with the databook saying you need a very good obvs haki to react to kizaru
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And someone brought up this point in my DM, most of the pacifistas beams are being aim dodged since you can see the sign of the beams charging before release and its not like they can change the direction they target making it aim dodging
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So yes I concede
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The OP has conceded.
Locking thread.
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