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One Piece new chapter spoilers thread

DaMonkeMan said:
Sengoku tells us that Garp despises the CDs and refuses to get promoted because of that. If he were fine with the manhunts he wouldn't be so gung ho about not serving a CD no matter what.
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The problem with this entire "Garp refuses to serve the CDs, he hates them" angle, is that he has never, not once, confronted a CD in the entire series. Even during the Reverie, when CDs were planning on doing horrific things to the daughter of his close friend, he was nowhere to be found. It was the intervention of Mjosgard, Leo and Sai that saved Shirahoshi, and then Garp had the gall to show up at Neptune's door and try to put him at ease ... Like, brother, where the F were you??
 
RoyGundam said:
The problem with this entire "Garp refuses to serve the CDs, he hates them" angle, is that he has never, not once, confronted a CD in the entire series. Even during the Reverie, when CDs were planning on doing horrific things to the daughter of his close friend, he was nowhere to be found. It was the intervention of Mjosgard, Leo and Sai that saved Shirahoshi, and then Garp had the gall to show up at Neptune's door and try to put him at ease ... Like, brother, where the F were you??
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He was down guarding the Red Port at the base of the Red Line. In all honesty the Marines probably do their best to keep Garp at a distance from any Celestial Dragons.
 
RoyGundam said:
You are intentionally closing your eyes to the overwhelming evidence of Garp's shittiness. To continue to be associated with a genocidal organisation after seeing their crimes firsthand, in fact, to consent to being hailed as the "Hero" or champion of said genocidal organisation is inexcusably evil
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Garp is a marine... He sees the countless good the marine do and also with his own branch... There's always going to be shittiness but he still thinks being a marine is overall the best, just because someone a Cop... protecting and serving the law, doesn't mean the cop supports the government or even knows everything about the government

The marines themselves... he sees that it is the best place to be affiliated with... He's not just intentionally closing his eyes

Same with koby, he saw the bad within the marines and still chose that, to change it for the better and actually be good and protect the people... What else do you want him to do? Be a pirate? Start his own revolution like Dragon, going against the government and the marines? There's no true best approach to things within op

So you can't just say garp is bad and stuff when he can't see any other better alternative then being the hero of the marines
 
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RoyGundam said:
You are intentionally closing your eyes to the overwhelming evidence of Garp's shittiness. To continue to be associated with a genocidal organisation after seeing their crimes firsthand, in fact, to consent to being hailed as the "Hero" or champion of said genocidal organisation is inexcusably evil
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I'm not much of a Garp defender, but you're acting like pirates aren't horrific people and Garp does good in stopping their crimes. Garp can hate the organisation he works for and still stop pirates from committing evil using the Navy's authority, otherwise he just ends up becoming a vigilante criminal himself.

Yeah, Garp is not a good person and actively chose to do nothing to stop the atrocities of the WG, hunting games aside he let mothers and children be straight up murdered due to the sheer possibility of being affiliated with Roger. but he still dedicated his life to stopping pirates from harming innocence.

Oda is clearly trying to show Garp as a product of his time and culture as opposed to an intrinsically evil being.
 
RoyGundam said:
Unironically any one of those would be better
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My guy... Like actually picture yourself in the situation... Your picking BEING A PIRATE... WHERE YOU ARE WANTED WHEREEVER YOU GO or BEING IN A REVOLUTION AND GETTING HUNTED DOWN AND TARGETED NATIONWIDE.... BOTH BEING AN AFFILIATION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DIRECTLY HELPING AND PROTECTING PEOPLE

Like bro thinks being a cop is bad... Or worse than being a pirate or a revolutionary, just stop bro... I know in a world like that, you would be way more leaning towards being a marine, you wouldn't even think of trying to be a pirate or revolutionary
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
I know in a world like that, you would be way more leaning towards being a marine, you wouldn't even think of trying to be a pirate or revolutionary
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This cannot be more true. It’s easy to sit here and judge Garp’s inactions but the alternative is also extreme in its own right. We’re not talking about protesting or donating to charity here, Garp would become a terrorist and be hunted down forever for taking action.
 
Honestly Garp being okay with slavery is one of those things that definitely started as a dumb agenda piece thing that wasn't meant to be taken seriously, just for an unusually large amount of the fandom to take it to heart and even call him one of the worst villains in the series even though we're constantly told that Garp HATES the CDs and will vehemently refuse to serve them even if it means they could try and assassinate him somehow.
Y'all took a dumb meme literally, that's like believing Mihawk actually painted Yoru black and saying things like "Well we've never seen Mihawk walking in the rain! When he does, the paint will get washed off!!" and then when we see that it doesn't wash off in the rain you still make excuses for it.
 
RoyGundam said:
It only ended because the pirates interfered. Like I said, Garp is either an idiot to not make the most obvious connections, or he is an evil person. I'm guessing Oda is going in the "he is an idiot" direction to salvage the last remaining scraps of his "good character"
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Garp thought they were on a field trip, and he heard his best friend Roger was there and he came. He didn't know anything was happening on the island except Roger's presence.
 
I am much more on a line with RoyGundam's analysis here. Garp could and should have joined his genuinely heroic son as a revolutionary to fight for freedom and justice against the genocidal supremacists who run his world. Fighting against also evil pirates while acting as a relentless shield for a much greater evil and threat against humanity is inexcusable.

It gives me the same kind of mental associations as Google and other companies actively helping Israel carry out an actual livestreamed genocide with thousands of sources of reliable evidence, and Sergei Brin then uses the tired old "antisemitism" rationalisation as "defence"... and yes, I still have partial jewish heritage, but I don't perceive the world in terms of "us versus them", other than the genocidal supremacist absolutely entitled and conscience-deprived tyrannical oligarchs and politicians versus everybody else. 🙏
 
Garp had plenty of opportunity to heavily encourage lots of powerful marines to defect, join Dragon, and protect people in a far more genuine manner instead, especially if he had accepted a Fleet Admiral position. 🙏
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Garp is a marine... He sees the countless good the marine do and also with his own branch... There's always going to be shittiness but he still thinks being a marine is overall the best, just because someone a Cop... protecting and serving the law, doesn't mean the cop supports the government or even knows everything about the government

The marines themselves... he sees that it is the best place to be affiliated with... He's not just intentionally closing his eyes

Same with koby, he saw the bad within the marines and still chose that, to change it for the better and actually be good and protect the people... What else do you want him to do? Be a pirate? Start his own revolution like Dragon, going against the government and the marines? There's no true best approach to things within op

So you can't just say garp is bad and stuff when he can't see any other better alternative then being the hero of the marines
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I'm sorry, but that's like saying Nazi generals were good people because the German military did disaster relief for German citizens
 
RoyGundam said:
I'm sorry, but that's like saying Nazi generals were good people because the German military did disaster relief for German citizens
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I don't think anyone ever claimed Garp was a purely good guy.

But if he was an evil guy why would he be outraged at the slaughter he discovered on God Valley?
 
KingTempest said:
I disagree. If I have to use a corrupt government's resources to save good people, i will put my pride to the side to save people.
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Garp is shown to unironically have more pull in the One Piece world than any Marine Admiral, or even Fleet Admiral. He could have defected from the Marines at any point and easily set up an alternate military force of justice. He would have been far more successful in leading a Revolution than his son, but instead, he sits on his hands as the WG wipes out Ohara, Lulusia, whatever kingdom Law was from, etc. and commits numerous other atrocities. He can't even be bothered to stop the corrupt ruler of his own home country from literally burning all the poor people to death ...
 
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KingTempest said:
To become a fleet admiral means that you are now the direct subordinate of the gorosei.
Garp is criticized for unintentionally helping the celestial dragons and now you want him to be their leading subordinate?
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He could have used the position to instigate rebellion against them instead of helping a bunch of absolutely entitled genocidal slavemongering fascist supremacists. 🙏
 
RoyGundam said:
Garp is shown to unironically have more pull in the One Piece world than any Marine Admiral, or even Fleet Admiral. He could have defected from the Marines at any point and easily set up an alternate military force of justice. He would have been far more successful in leading a Revolution than his son, but instead, he sits on his hands as the WG wipes out Ohara, Lulusia, and commits numerous other atrocities. He can't even be bothered to stop the corrupt ruler of his own home country from literally burning all the poor people to death ...
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Hear hear. 🙏
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
My guy... Like actually picture yourself in the situation... Your picking BEING A PIRATE... WHERE YOU ARE WANTED WHEREEVER YOU GO or BEING IN A REVOLUTION AND GETTING HUNTED DOWN AND TARGETED NATIONWIDE.... BOTH BEING AN AFFILIATION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DIRECTLY HELPING AND PROTECTING PEOPLE

Like bro thinks being a cop is bad... Or worse than being a pirate or a revolutionary, just stop bro... I know in a world like that, you would be way more leaning towards being a marine, you wouldn't even think of trying to be a pirate or revolutionary
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Garp's actions and choices are so out of step with his professed philosophies, it's beyond comical. That's why every protege he's ever had actively rebels against him
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Honestly Garp being okay with slavery is one of those things that definitely started as a dumb agenda piece thing that wasn't meant to be taken seriously, just for an unusually large amount of the fandom to take it to heart and even call him one of the worst villains in the series even though we're constantly told that Garp HATES the CDs and will vehemently refuse to serve them even if it means they could try and assassinate him somehow.
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Show me ONE time, Garp has ever confronted a CD
 
KingTempest said:
I disagree. If I have to use a corrupt government's resources to save good people, i will put my pride to the side to save people.
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Yall say that but when did he show any actual meaningfull unsubordination? Letting his grandson save his other grandson? Even when he did that he still "put on a show" intentional or not. Not saying Garp is directly evil bit he still is complicit with most of the tragedies that the marines have caused in recent times. Not liking what that they did does not makes him "reasonable", just kinda sad.

I particularly love the writing on the marines and for me it serves to show that, if they continue to be the way they are, the word is not getting any better, with Garp despite all his might can't do anything other than try to "save the next generation". We can debate if that changing the system from within is better than to overtrow it but acting as if Garp could not have done anything differently so he is justified/excused is not a good take. There are a lot of things he could have done, like being in the Ohara Buster Call to save civilians. Not like orders could actually stop him from doing it and that actually helps people from the bad side of the marines.

All in all, Garp is not as active as he could be, even when considering he chose to stay the "right side of the law" and that's not okay. He still can be a good person/trying to do good in the only way he percieves, but he is wrong, his way is not the only way he just did not look hard enough for the alternatives
 
Bananossauro said:
Yall say that but when did he show any actual meaningfull unsubordination? Letting his grandson save his other grandson? Even when he did that he still "put on a show" intentional or not. Not saying Garp is directly evil bit he still is complicit with most of the tragedies that the marines have caused in recent times. Not liking what that they did does not makes him "reasonable", just kinda sad.

I particularly love the writing on the marines and for me it serves to show that, if they continue to be the way they are, the word is not getting any better, with Garp despite all his might can't do anything other than try to "save the next generation". We can debate if that changing the system from within is better than to overtrow it but acting as if Garp could not have done anything differently so he is justified/excused is not a good take. There are a lot of things he could have done, like being in the Ohara Buster Call to save civilians. Not like orders could actually stop him from doing it and that actually helps people from the bad side of the marines.

All in all, Garp is not as active as he could be, even when considering he chose to stay the "right side of the law" and that's not okay. He still can be a good person/trying to do good in the only way he percieves, but he is wrong, his way is not the only way he just did not look hard enough for the alternatives
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Nobody is saying that Garp has a clean slate but this "Garp is letting the celestial dragons do what they want" bs is just ignorance.

"Garp could start a revolution" how and why? Garp wants to change the inside of the marines, which is why he was training Koby Helmeppo and all of Sword to have different ideologies.

You guys are so used to "revolution" that yall ignore "change". Garp does nothing but train people and fight his bad guys.
 
RoyGundam said:
I'm sorry, but that's like saying Nazi generals were good people because the German military did disaster relief for German citizens
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Was also thinking of brining up nazi's lol... But no, I don't know the full actual history... But the soldiers being soldiers and hitler being the leader does not mean every soldier is bad or evil... That's the situation they are in and have to deal with, if you can't empathize or understand the difference between that, you're out of touch with reality and speaking from a utopian perspective acting like everything is black and white

there's even US solider or any other soldier that has had a bad leader, that does not reflect on the soldiers depending on most situations
RoyGundam said:
Garp's actions and choices are so out of step with his professed philosophies, it's beyond comical. That's why every protege he's ever had actively rebels against him
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the same portege that don't know what they wanna do in life and instead actively following and supporting an actual evil crew? That one?

Show me the "Garp's actions and choices are so out of step with his professed philosophies" instead of just babbling from the sideline acting like your perfect while bringing no evidence

The only ever "bad choice" he was shown doing is picking his job over family... BUT EVEN THEN, HE STILL DID NOT WANT TO and actively tried the most to prevent it...

There's no choice of garp where he's actually being evil or a bad person, he always tries to lean on what he thinks is the best way for everyone as a "hero"
 
KingTempest said:
Nobody is saying that Garp has a clean slate but this "Garp is letting the celestial dragons do what they want" bs is just ignorance.

"Garp could start a revolution" how and why? Garp wants to change the inside of the marines, which is why he was training Koby Helmeppo and all of Sword to have different ideologies.

You guys are so used to "revolution" that yall ignore "change". Garp does nothing but train people and fight his bad guys.
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Bro, show Garp doing anything against the CDs. I literally acknoledged what you said, and even if he wants to be a "good marine" he still is doing his job poorly. Yea he trained Koby Halmepo and Kuzan to bribg cahnge from the inside thats cool. But what change did he do himself with all the influence he has? Again, he could have been at Ohara to make sure they don't genocide the island and the best part, he would not be going against the marines by doing so. He would still be doing good from the inside.
My thing is, his view is narrow and due to his position, he should have been able to do better. Due to his position and political power, the marines can't just do him away, he is their Hero, he is the most free marine in the world, he can do more than what Kuzan did in Ohara. He could have been more active. In a weird way, he is more "passive" on bringing "justice" to the world, at least when compared to the other "good marines" like Smoker and Fujitora.
 
Bananossauro said:
Bro, show Garp doing anything against the CDs. I literally acknoledged what you said, and even if he wants to be a "good marine" he still is doing his job poorly. Yea he trained Koby Halmepo and Kuzan to bribg cahnge from the inside thats cool. But what change did he do himself with all the influence he has? Again, he could have been at Ohara to make sure they don't genocide the island and the best part, he would not be going against the marines by doing so. He would still be doing good from the inside.
My thing is, his view is narrow and due to his position, he should have been able to do better. Due to his position and political power, the marines can't just do him away, he is their Hero, he is the most free marine in the world, he can do more than what Kuzan did in Ohara. He could have been more active. In a weird way, he is more "passive" on bringing "justice" to the world, at least when compared to the other "good marines" like Smoker and Fujitora.
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He can't he will die for it
Nobody is allowed to do anything against the CDs.
And even if he was at Ohara he wouldn't be able to do a thing, they broke a worldwide law they were cooked.

"What change did he do himself with all the influence he has?"
Trained the next generation of marines to not be assholes and to actually care about children, unlike the bastards we saw at Arlong Park.
I don't know if you know, but that is a LOT.
 
KingTempest said:
He can't he will die for it
Nobody is allowed to do anything against the CDs.
And even if he was at Ohara he wouldn't be able to do a thing, they broke a worldwide law they were cooked.

"What change did he do himself with all the influence he has?"
Trained the next generation of marines to not be assholes and to actually care about children, unlike the bastards we saw at Arlong Park.
I don't know if you know, but that is a LOT.
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He is doing good stuff, he still could be doing more. If he was at Ohara, the resisdents would still be alive. The scholar would still die, but anyone other than them would still be alive. He could have stoped a genocide.
Again he training people to be better is good, but that does not stop him from doing shit like what Fuji did and do his own thing when he wants to.
Fuji,for what we know, is still alive after supposedly helping the rev army free the slaves of the CD so that is also a thing.
 
Bananossauro said:
He is doing good stuff, he still could be doing more. If he was at Ohara, the resisdents would still be alive. The scholar would still die, but anyone other than them would still be alive. He could have stoped a genocide.
Again he training people to be better is good, but that does not stop him from doing shit like what Fuji did and do his own thing when he wants to.
Fuji,for what we know, is still alive after supposedly helping the rev army free the slaves of the CD so that is also a thing.
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If he was at Ohara they would've died with smiles on their faces, that's it. You can't go against the world government's decrees. If Garp did that he would be killed.
Heck, Sengoku said that with the amount of shit he already did, he would've been dead if he was anyone but Garp. He's done offscreen insubordination to them we just haven't seen it.
Fujitora literally didn't do anything. Like even with the marijoa slaves all he did was let the revolutionaries go with their slaves, something Garp would've done if he was actively watching their work.
Fuji is alive cause the dude who was trying to punish him for it was too weak to do anything.
 
KingTempest said:
If he was at Ohara they would've died with smiles on their faces, that's it. You can't go against the world government's decrees. If Garp did that he would be killed.
Heck, Sengoku said that with the amount of shit he already did, he would've been dead if he was anyone but Garp. He's done offscreen insubordination to them we just haven't seen it.
Fujitora literally didn't do anything. Like even with the marijoa slaves all he did was let the revolutionaries go with their slaves, something Garp would've done if he was actively watching their work.
Fuji is alive cause the dude who was trying to punish him for it was too weak to do anything.
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Brother, Sakazuki killed them by exploding the ship they were at, the buster call was to kill the scholars and their research not the "civilians". Garp could stop him from doing that.

So Garp only got statements of doing stuff against orders, good for him I guess but from what we have seen, he does not show much of that at least to match the statements. For me at least, the time he has on screen shows him doing stuff for the future but not for the current time he is living. His vision has narrowed.

Being inactive Helped the revs and in doing so went against the CD. He also apologized in Dressrosa, going directly against Fleet Admiral orders. From my poiny of view, Fuji since his introduction did more in bettering today and going against the bad of the marines than what we've seen Garp do since his introduction in a more direct manner.
 
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