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One Piece new chapter spoilers thread

Kachon123 said:
There's no "rookie" (or at least in the way people like to use it) in the world who can use Advanced Conqueror's Haki. Blackbeard was on the seas for decades and had no bounty until he became a warlord. Not gonna say "rookie Blackbeard defeated Ace" for the same reason because that has certain implications.

We know nothing about that Admiral so that feat means nothing to me, even moreso because it was one from nearly 60 years ago.

Being above Primebeard wouldn't be a valid reason to low diff Garling and an army of demons because before this chapter, a good chunk of the community believed that Garling fought and scarred Newgate in God Valley.
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Wasn't there still a considerable gap in time between him killing the Admiral and him going to God Valley to save his family? Maybe Rocks didn't get that much stronger but I don't see a reason for him to be stagnant as he constantly gets into fights and what not.
Also, if the Admiral wasn't that strong there'd be no reason for his bounty to soar up and for them to be wary of him because of it.
I will say that it's bad writing to make him low diff Garling, though, mostly from a narrative perspective.
But that's the way One Piece is nowadays so I don't really care anymore
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Also, if the Admiral wasn't that strong there'd be no reason for his bounty to soar up and for them to be wary of him because of it.
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He's still an Admiral...? The position is one of the main faces of the World Government. Killing one would give you a high bounty no matter how strong they were. If some random pirate killed Greenbull, I'd expect the same global response.
 
SlendVeny said:
No it isn't.
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Garling is a sheltered brat who's the leader of a group of immortals who were born into power and hold authority over the world. He's been told he's a perfect specimen from a perfect race since birth. From what we know, he's never faced real adversity. Meanwhile, Rocks clawed his way to the top with his own two hands. This is like if you put one of history's greatest warriors against an rich dipshit whose grandpa gave him a nice sword.
 
SlendVeny said:
Garling is a sheltered brat who's the leader of a group of immortals who were born into power and hold authority over the world. He's been told he's a perfect specimen from a perfect race since birth. From what we know, he's never faced real adversity. Meanwhile, Rocks clawed his way to the top with his own two hands. This is like if you put one of history's greatest warriors against an rich dipshit whose grandpa gave him a nice sword.
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No I mean it's dumb for him to just reduce Garling to a hypetool when he's a new Gorosei member in the present and seemingly a very prominent villain in the final war judging by the contender spread.
Unless Prime Garling isn't his God Valley self
Kachon123 said:
He's still an Admiral...? The position is one of the main faces of the World Government. Killing one would give you a high bounty no matter how strong they were. If some random pirate killed Greenbull, I'd expect the same global response.
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Point being, a random pirate CAN'T kill him. We specifically would never see a Curiel or even a Jozu level pirate for that matter even push a serious Aramaki to a low diff.
Admirals are always top tiers, I don't see why Oda would break the tradition with Admiral Scissors (a fan name I think we should all use btw)
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Point being, a random pirate CAN'T kill him. We specifically would never see a Curiel or even a Jozu level pirate for that matter even push a serious Aramaki to a low diff.
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Yes, because for the standards of his era, it's expected for Aramaki as an Admiral to be above pirates like that.
DaMonkeMan said:
Admirals are always top tiers, I don't see why Oda would break the tradition with Admiral Scissors (a fan name I think we should all use btw)
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The nameless Admiral could be a top tier in his era, I don't doubt that at all. Problem is that outliers like Rocks started popping up, which forced the world to respond with outliers of their own like Garp and the current era's Admirals.
 
DaMonkeMan said:
No I mean it's dumb for him to just reduce Garling to a hypetool when he's a new Gorosei member in the present and seemingly a very prominent villain in the final war judging by the contender spread.
Unless Prime Garling isn't his God Valley self
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It's extremely unlikely for God Valley to be Garling's prime state. Both Big Mom and Kaido got a lot stronger after God Valley, and Garling possibly has a Devil Fruit in the present.
 
Damage3245 said:
It's extremely unlikely for God Valley to be Garling's prime state. Both Big Mom and Kaido got a lot stronger after God Valley, and Garling possibly has a Devil Fruit in the present.
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Yeah but it was Whitebeard, Roger and Garp's prime and Garling is likely close them in age
Kachon123 said:
Yes, because for the standards of his era, it's expected for Aramaki as an Admiral to be above pirates like that.

The nameless Admiral could be a top tier in his era, I don't doubt that at all. Problem is that outliers like Rocks started popping up, which forced the world to respond with outliers of their own like Garp and the current era's Admirals.
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I don't really get this "in his era" stuff since nothing really indicates the people of the past were weaklings. Hell Imu and then Joyboy are seemingly the top 2 and 1 strongest in the verse going off their portrayal and they're from the Void Century.
 
DaMonkeMan said:
No I mean it's dumb for him to just reduce Garling to a hypetool when he's a new Gorosei member in the present and seemingly a very prominent villain in the final war judging by the contender spread.
Unless Prime Garling isn't his God Valley self
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Rocks would piece up any Gorosei.
DaMonkeMan said:
Point being, a random pirate CAN'T kill him. We specifically would never see a Curiel or even a Jozu level pirate for that matter even push a serious Aramaki to a low diff.
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Bro acting like like Greenbull could low-diff Jozu.
 
Whitebeard's prime was 2 years after GV actually, and I think that must be true for Roger and Garp as well
 
Yes. I REALLY dislike extremely corrupt politicians and oligarchs. 🙏
 
Ped2018 said:
Whitebeard's prime was 2 years after GV actually, and I think that must be true for Roger and Garp as well
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Btw when I said he's above Primebeard I was referencing the Road to Laughtale books as well as Sengoku both saying he was Roger's strongest adversary and thus above people like Primebeard, Garp, Sengoku etc.
Unless you don't count Primebeard as Roger's adversary, but Garp = Primebeard and Rocks > Garp so whatever
Point being, I wasn't saying I believe God Valley Whitebeard is Primebeard. That's a totally different subject, although he likely was very close to his prime strength there
 
SlendVeny said:
Garling: Slammed by Rocks despite jumping him with a demon army, has only killed defenseless people and Mjosgard. Former leader.
Shamrock: Has done nothing except tell his sword to attack a chained-up man. Current leader
Sommers: The only fights he has won are against Saul, who was trying to protect Robin and Chopper, a bunch of random slaves and children, and a chained-up Shakky, who had already fought a bunch of marines(She still hurt him). Got humiliated by Robin, stomped by old Gaban, and onetapped by Rayleigh. Considered one of the better members.
Random background members: Done nothing but kill civillians.
Maffey: Shot Dragon with a DF laser, probably duraneg. Cut in half by one hit from Whitebeard, did manage to complete half her mission.
Killingham: Putting all of Elbaf on the ropes, beat up two random Giants, one of whom couldn't fight and one of whom was actually a warrior, hasn't had a real fight yet.
Gunko: Beat the shit out of restrained Loki, injured a somewhat distracted Gaban, beat a giant child and a bunch of Yonkou crew members, was treated as lesser than the other God's Knights

These guys are failing upward.
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Bro we are now praying for Gunko and Killingham stocks rise up lmfao
 
The best part is that every single detail of the God Valley incident that we heard before is a lie.

Garp was not a hero, he was complicit in genocide.

Rocks was not a villain, or even a simp, he was there to save his family.

Garling was not the "champion of God Valley", he was just another loser.

Even Big Mom didn't actually give the Dragon Fruit to Kaido (as she had earlier implied), Kaido stole it off her.
 
RoyGundam said:
The best part is that every single detail of the God Valley incident that we heard before is a lie.

Garp was not a hero, he was complicit in genocide.

Rocks was not a villain, or even a simp, he was there to save his family.

Garling was not the "champion of God Valley", he was just another loser.

Even Big Mom didn't actually give the Dragon Fruit to Kaido (as she had earlier implied), Kaido stole it off her.
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He didn't even know the genocide was happening and was extremely upset over it..
 
DaMonkeMan said:
was extremely upset over it..
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Where? He had to be very well aware of what was happening. The Celestial Dragons were doing this every 3 years, at some point you'd have to be blind not to make the connection between "Celestial Dragon outing" and "mysteriously disappeared island population"
 
Many marines, much junior to Garp (i.e. the officers with whom Dragon went there), knew exactly what was happening in God Valley. Many more marines must have been involved in the previous such "Tournaments" ... Somehow, we have to believe that word of it never spread to Garp, Sengoku etc. Kong for sure knew what was going on, and Sengoku must have learned it too. Still, years later, when he's even retired from active duty, he continues to lie about the events of God Valley.
 
RoyGundam said:
Where? He had to be very well aware of what was happening. The Celestial Dragons were doing this every 3 years, at some point you'd have to be blind not to make the connection between "Celestial Dragon outing" and "mysteriously disappeared island population"
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His only section in the chapter was him literally seeing a bunch of civilian corpses and asking Sengoku wth happened and if he knew it was happening the whole time.
Garp was not complicit in genocide. He came when the genocide ended.
 
RoyGundam said:
Where? He had to be very well aware of what was happening. The Celestial Dragons were doing this every 3 years, at some point you'd have to be blind not to make the connection between "Celestial Dragon outing" and "mysteriously disappeared island population"
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This is the problem with making assumptions.
 
KingTempest said:
He came when the genocide ended.
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It only ended because the pirates interfered. Like I said, Garp is either an idiot to not make the most obvious connections, or he is an evil person. I'm guessing Oda is going in the "he is an idiot" direction to salvage the last remaining scraps of his "good character"
 
RoyGundam said:
The two options are that Garp was an idiot, and didn't figure out the obvious thing, or that he was aware of what was happening and tolerated it. 38 years later, Sengoku is still lying about what happened.
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He looks like an idiot because we, the nearly omniscient readers, know much more about the world and what's going on than someone living inside the world does.
 
Damage3245 said:
He looks like an idiot because we, the nearly omniscient readers, know much more about the world and what's going on than someone living inside the world does.
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I'm still awaiting more information before I make a final judgement rn. But it seems to me at least that Garp didn’t know about that hunts. There was an interesting line from Sengoku that the last person voiced similar questioning disappeared from the Marines.

If Garp knew that Celestial were doing these large hunts, why would Oda bother showing him calling Sengoku in shock? With that said, Garp clearly despises the Celestial Dragons, so I’m curious how Oda plans to resolve this.
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Sengoku tells us that Garp despises the CDs and refuses to get promoted because of that. If he were fine with the manhunts he wouldn't be so gung ho about not serving a CD no matter what.
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BeTheWay1rst said:
Garp defenders are something else, so he didn't know about the evil of the world at that time ? Them what did he do after finding the truth ?
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Damage3245 said:
He looks like an idiot because we, the nearly omniscient readers, know much more about the world and what's going on than someone living inside the world does.
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You are intentionally closing your eyes to the overwhelming evidence of Garp's shittiness. To continue to be associated with a genocidal organisation after seeing their crimes firsthand, in fact, to consent to being hailed as the "Hero" or champion of said genocidal organisation is inexcusably evil
 
Legion350 said:
If Garp knew that Celestial were doing these large hunts, why would Oda bother showing him calling Sengoku in shock? With that said, Garp clearly despises the Celestial Dragons, so I’m curious how Oda plans to resolve this.
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Why is Sengoku still lying about the event to impressionable young recruits?
 
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