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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Also, if all the Tobiroppo + Jack were to fight the Wano Straw Hats without Jinbe or the Monster Trio, how badly would their 7v6 end for them?
 
SlendVeny said:
Really? He boxed Full Zoan Queen for a solid 30 minutes, I doubt Jack could do the same. Maybe his Haki could save him, but I doubt it's on that level.
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Queen was standing still for 29 of those minutes and only took damage when being held down by Marco. Chopper would've died by Queen's first landed attack if Sanji didn't save him.

Jack is faster, has more stamina, has more endurance, has better durability, hits harder, has haki, and has better LS. Chopper would literally get smacked across the island they're fighting on.
 
Fireld said:
Or maybe a m@sochist
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Couple fun little Marineford scenarios to for discussion topics:

-What if Whitebeard had opened with the Hao Burst?
-What if Sickbeard was replaced with Oldbeard, Rocksbeard, or Primebeard?
-What if Luffy wasn't at the Ace-Akainu fight?
-What if Shanks didn't stop Kaidou, and he showed up at... let's say about the time Ace was freed? Assume he has his full crew.
-What if Shanks just went "**** it. Red Hair Pirates, let's fight."?
-What if Ace didn't block in time and Akainu just killed Luffy?
 
SlendVeny said:
-What if Whitebeard had opened with the Hao Burst?
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Nothing major would have changed since major fighters on the Navy's side like the Vice Admirals, Pacificsta, and Warlords would've been unaffected. He would still likely be stabbed by Squard.
SlendVeny said:
-What if Sickbeard was replaced with Oldbeard, Rocksbeard, or Primebeard?
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Rocksbeard and Primebeard would tear through the island. I doubt he'd have as many issues with the pre-timeskip Admirals individually as Sickbeard did, so he'd likely get jumped by the Warlords, ending up winning and reaching Ace's execution platform relatively quickly thanks to his crew.

Oldbeard would do significantly better than Sickbeard. He has access to all of his Haki, meaning he wouldn't need to take all of the unnecessary damage that he did during the arc. Unsure if he'd go down at all even when factoring in the Blackbeard Pirates. Sakazuki would be too injured from Whitebeard to chase Ace and Luffy.
SlendVeny said:
-What if Luffy wasn't at the Ace-Akainu fight?
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I don't think the end result would have changed.
SlendVeny said:
-What if Shanks didn't stop Kaidou, and he showed up at... let's say about the time Ace was freed? Assume he has his full crew.
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No one would be able to stop the entire force of the Beast Pirates (other than maybe Garp), let alone an angry Kaidou.
SlendVeny said:
-What if Shanks just went "**** it. Red Hair Pirates, let's fight."?
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They would wipe the Navy, assuming still ran away.
SlendVeny said:
-What if Ace didn't block in time and Akainu just killed Luffy?
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Jinbe would've taken Ace's place, probably.
 
Kachon123 said:
Nothing major would have changed since major fighters on the Navy's side like the Vice Admirals, Pacificsta, and Warlords would've been unaffected. He would still likely be stabbed by Squard.
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Eh, I think a couple people might go down. Moria, maybe? Plus, there'd be fewer fodders to hold back his commanders.
Kachon123 said:
Oldbeard would do significantly better than Sickbeard. He has access to all of his Haki, meaning he wouldn't need to take all of the unnecessary damage that he did during the arc. Unsure if he'd go down at all even when factoring in the Blackbeard Pirates. Sakazuki would be too injured from Whitebeard to chase Ace and Luffy.
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I think that the combination of his increased damage + his amped Haki + the standard fights + their comrades being weakened by fighting him could maybe kill all 3 Admirals.
Kachon123 said:
I don't think the end result would have changed.
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However... I DISAGREE! Take, for a moment, Ace's ability to hold his own for some time. Akainu could only put him down with a direct hit to the vital organs, and Ace's acceleration and Kenbun would allow him to avoid that for some time. Consider next his proximity to the crew. They arrived almost directly after he died, within less than a minute iirc. Consider next Marco's healing powers, which could prevent Ace from dying from anything that's not a death-smack.
Kachon123 said:
No one would be able to stop the entire force of the Beast Pirates (other than maybe Garp), let alone an angry Kaidou.
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Garp, Sengoku, and Mihawk are good candidates to contend with Kaidou. The other matchups are very interesting too.
Kachon123 said:
Jinbe would've taken Ace's place, probably.
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If he didn't, though, what're we looking at?
 
SlendVeny said:
No way. The WB Pirates are still there, as are the BB Pirates.
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Yeah I forgot about the BBP. But to be fair the navy just has way more top tiers:
Kizaru
Kuzan
Sakazuki
Garp
Sengoku
Mihawk
Compared to Kaido and Whitebeard, and BB who's not a top tier at this exact moment (as he doesn't have the Gura) but he should be like, YC1 level, or above.
Though there's also a ton of Commanders aiding the pirates, but still I'd bet on the navy.
 
SlendVeny said:
Eh, I think a couple people might go down. Moria, maybe? Plus, there'd be fewer fodders to hold back his commanders.
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I don't think Moria would go down.

If Whitebeard came off the gate with a Hao burst, someone like Sengoku or Garp would've returned the favor imo, so there would be less fodders on both sides.
SlendVeny said:
I think that the combination of his increased damage + his amped Haki + the standard fights + their comrades being weakened by fighting him could maybe kill all 3 Admirals.
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I don't think so at all. During each of the Admirals' 1v1s against Sickbeard, they all came out on top, which imo means that if they were to jump Oldbeard it'd be a really hard fight for either side.
SlendVeny said:
However... I DISAGREE! Take, for a moment, Ace's ability to hold his own for some time. Akainu could only put him down with a direct hit to the vital organs, and Ace's acceleration and Kenbun would allow him to avoid that for some time. Consider next his proximity to the crew. They arrived almost directly after he died, within less than a minute iirc. Consider next Marco's healing powers, which could prevent Ace from dying from anything that's not a death-smack.
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An injured Sakazuki was able to solo all of Whitebeard's top commanders + Crocodile by himself. Ace was sent reeling after 1 clash against Sakazuki. If the fight went on for 1 more serious exchange, the fight would've ended then and there. Marco would've been killed as well.
SlendVeny said:
Garp, Sengoku, and Mihawk are good candidates to contend with Kaidou. The other matchups are very interesting too.
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Garp and Sengoku would be too busy fighting the Calamities and Numbers imo. Kaidou would have to fight Mihawk which would play out for a while.
SlendVeny said:
If he didn't, though, what're we looking at?
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Idk, a dead Luffy?
 
Kachon123 said:
I don't think so at all. During each of the Admirals' 1v1s against Sickbeard, they all came out on top, which imo means that if they were to jump Oldbeard it'd be a really hard fight for either side.
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Oldbeard is Shanks level, right? And Shanks was casually blocking a hit from Akainu.
Kachon123 said:
An injured Sakazuki was able to solo all of Whitebeard's top commanders + Crocodile by himself.
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That was like a 5 second fight, I don't remember anyone being defeated.
Kachon123 said:
Ace was sent reeling after 1 clash against Sakazuki.
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Yeah, because he didn't realize how his DF worked. He'd be more cautious once he learned. And that didn't even seriously injure him, it just burned his hand and he fell down, Blackbeard style.
Kachon123 said:
Garp and Sengoku would be too busy fighting the Calamities and Numbers imo. Kaidou would have to fight Mihawk which would play out for a while.
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I personally think Mihawk wins that.
Kachon123 said:
Idk, a dead Luffy?
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Yeah, but with a dead Luffy and a living Ace, what changes? Also would Gear 5th activate? I can never figure that out.
 
SlendVeny said:
Oldbeard is Shanks level, right?
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No.
SlendVeny said:
That was like a 5 second fight, I don't remember anyone being defeated.
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It was an extended fight.
SlendVeny said:
I personally think Mihawk wins that.
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I think so too.
SlendVeny said:
Yeah, but with a dead Luffy and a living Ace, what changes? Also would Gear 5th activate? I can never figure that out.
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Ace would die too. Gear 5 wouldn't activate and even if it did Sakazuki would just kill him all over again.
 
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