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Okay, but like, where? FYI Admiral tier currently looks like:
Yamato>Sickbeard=Akainu>=Kuzan>Kizaru>Fujitora
Yamato>Sickbeard=Akainu>=Kuzan>Kizaru>Fujitora
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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But in the vs thread, people used Yamato matching Kaido as one of the main reasons why Yamato would win.
Nvm King has monstrous flame-on durability and without it he has absurd speed.
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I see it like this personally:
Akainu >= Kuzan >= Sickbeard >= Kizaru > Yamato ~ Fujitora
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I imagine she can block him though.
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Sickbeard nearly three shot Akainu, though. Yamato's AP shouldn't really match Sickbeard's for obvious reasons but she was able to slam a fully transformed Aramaki ( going off of narrative, he should be comparable to the rest of the Admirals and Akainu ) with a base form attack and ACoC. Not to mention her feats against Kaidou, which should give her AP and LS on par with their's or higher than their's ( well, possibly beside Fujitora's, for obvious reasons ).
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I feel like since Akainu fought Kuzan for 10 days, they surely got a hakibloom or some sort of a power boost.
Maybe, but she has other things like better haki and speed scaling chain.
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Possible, but it's probably just because Akainu's fruit sort of counters Kuzan's and they're both Awakened.
Which is why I think she beats the Admirals and Sickbeard.
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Maybe Sickbeard, but Yamato beating Akainu, Kuzan, and Kizaru is a take I can't get behind, sorry.
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Why?
Anyway I'll post the tier list soon, thanks for your and Eseseso's input.
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Portrayal and abilities I guess.
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Well, I put her over them until they show any new feats/abilities.
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Where do I put him thenStop putting Jinbe so high wtf
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Right below Killer, then bring Franky below Denjiro and General Franky right below Doffy.
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I would, but Jinbe has some pretty good feats like blocking a Cognac from Big Mom and making her fly several feet away.
I would, but Radical Beam keeps me from putting him under them.
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I do hope Jinbei gets High 6-A feats soon.
Also, it sucks that Perospero doesn't have a high 6-A key despite the majority of the fandom accepting he's Jack-lvl
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Still took almost no damage at all from it and momentarily stopped it.The next panels:
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They're just wrong.
Hybrid/Zoan Jack >>> Sulong Mink Fighters >> Sulong Wanda and Carrot > Perospero
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Because he's strong.
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1: How do Cracker, Jack, and Doflamingo get past Franky's lasers/Radical Beam?Here's my list btw
2: Sabo is probably over Sanji, I'll discuss why if you ask.
3: Shiryu is featless lol.
4: How is Aramaki over the guy that can shoot a beam at you? Given the end of his fight with Momo I don't think he'd fare well against people like that.
5: I love how Prime Rayleigh isn't over Kuzan Akainu and BB considering he made the latter piss his pants and get PTSD and is comparable to Roger in power.
6: Sabo over King and Marco? I don't exactly digress, since he's likely very strong due to his new epithet and him seemingly harming Fujitora and Aramaki, but I want YOUR reasoning on it.
7: Not getting into the whole " Jinbe is very likely equal to Sanji due to his Water Manipulation and Durability " argument again, especially not with a hardcore Sanji fanboy ( no offense ).
8: Sanji over King?
Edit: 9: Benn Beckman and Smoothie are featless af.
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..That's his point.
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Jack is also strong. Doflamingo is also strong. Kid and Law being shocked that Jinbe joined isn't a reason to put him that high.
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they never commented on Jack or Doflamingo iirc.
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Jack: Endurance or block (he scales much higher already)
Doflamingo: Dodge or redirect Franky's aim with strings
Cracker: Sodiers to block
Yeah sure, elaborate.
Yeah, but I believe that he will be Zoro's future opponent so he has to be at least that powerful imo.
I don't know who you're referring to when you say "the guy that can shoot a beam at you"
BB is a bitch. He overreacts just like Queen. Akainu and Kuzan are above Rayleigh imo. Rayleigh doesn't have any feats that would put him this high.
I don't really care about who's stronger between King and Sabo. I can switch it. Though it should be worth noting that Dragon Claw can bypass King's durability.
As for Marco, Sabo has a lot more aoe and I can see him using that aoe to get close and pummel Marco.
Yeah.
Smoothie is portrayed to be more powerful than Cracker. Plus her devil fruit is busted af
Benny has been compared to Shanks.
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Thats not my point. I'm just saying that those specific characters are strong as well.
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Maybe because he's an infamous pirate who in their minds was still a warlord.
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And the Yonko aren't infamous?
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idk if he needs to be more powerful than Zoro when his gimmick seems to be the invisibility fruit.
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None of them are blocking a dura neg Laser. Not even SeraJinbe could do that and it has Lunarian durability.
I mean, it's quite simple. Do you think a user of the flame fruit is getting countered by someone with blue flames?
Also they seem to have the same level of Armament, so that's out of the question.
Let's see...
Speed might go to Sanji, though Sabo is implied to have clashed with and matched Aramaki and Fujitora, and the latter's Observation Haki is pretty nutty.
Power is tricky. Sanji is powerful, but Sabo could clap Burgess at Dressrosa even without his weapons or fruit.
Durability goes to Sanji but his Exoskeleton can still be compressed ( as seen with Brachio-Coilus ) and that's what Sabo likes to do- try to crack/compress someone's skull.
The tricky part is getting past Sanji's "regen".
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You're completely ignoring my point seemingly on purpose.
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Yes
Burgess has no feats outside of his fight with Sabo so this isn't really showing much.
Sabo's wincon that you brought up is countered by Sanji's regen.
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Fair I guess.
"Damned Punk!"
I suppose so? Even still, he really did seem to actually fear Rayleigh there. When he ran from people like Akainu, you can justify that by the fact that he knows the Marines are an organization and he won't try to fight them, more will come. Primebeard said that, and Blackbeard was there when he said it.
Do you believe that Dragon Claw is Dura Neg via it being like, a shockwave, or do you think it's Ryuo?
I suppose I could see him beating Marco.
Doesn't King have the Power, Durability, and Speed advantage?
These last 2 points are good, I might change my tier list actually.
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Oh meant to put Kid above Aramaki
It's not ryou. Sabo described it as sending the force of the attack to the core of the object.
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